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Trip To The Vet (kinda wordy)

Post by Q » Sun, 22 Jun 2003 06:21:22



    Hello all here's what happened.
My 21/2 year old lab went to our vet today for annual exam/shots. This is
the same vet that we've gone to since he was 10 weeks of age. The vet is
very calm and was not threatening at all.
    Anyway today when the vet approached my dog growled at the pro-offered
hand ,and a couple of times during the exam actually barked at the doc. He
was shakinging big time and covered me in slobber. The doc asked me to
expose his teeth and ears and he let me , no problem.
    This is extremely unusual behavior for him growling/barking . He is at
the centre of a active child focoused house and shows no agression around
his food , toys etc.He will actuall do tricks for my 5 year old.
     The only time that I can think of where he acted like this was when we
had some plumbers in over the last year and he barked at them or at the
pizza guy.
    I'm retired , so he is around me all day. He's is tied out first thing
each AM and last thing each PM alone for about an hour(weather dependant) or
until he cries to gget in. He gets at least 2 long walks every day and goes
to my childrens school twice a day where he has a large "groupie" following.
Always being petted by strangers.
    Although he has not had any formal obediance training he does all the
basic commands and will remain in the down/stay with a couple of hundred
kids running by. Heck he's even been to my youngest childs kindergarten as
show and tell.
    He is intact and the vet's assistant urged me to get the "snip" done ,
but in a dog this age wouldn't the hormonal damage already be done?

    What should I do. The snip would be logical I guess . Obediance traing I
guess but he already does all that even with other dogs around.
    I kinda think that he was just afraid , but I guess I'll see what the
pack around here thinks. All I know is that it upset me alot.

 
 
 

Trip To The Vet (kinda wordy)

Post by Marie Castellan » Sun, 22 Jun 2003 07:24:28


The vet is correct regarding his castration.  I would advise you to have it
done as soon as you can.
You may also have a behavi***problem to deal with.  You explained he
showed aggression to the vet, the pizza man and the plumber.  That is fair
enough warning to deal with the problem.  You may want to enroll him in
obedience class or hire a personal trainer to come to your home.  Sounds
like he behaves around the children but you wouldn't want an incident where
he begins to growl or react to the children and if this behavior is not
controlled that may happen.  Good luck.
Marie


Quote:
>     Hello all here's what happened.
> My 21/2 year old lab went to our vet today for annual exam/shots. This is
> the same vet that we've gone to since he was 10 weeks of age. The vet is
> very calm and was not threatening at all.
>     Anyway today when the vet approached my dog growled at the pro-offered
> hand ,and a couple of times during the exam actually barked at the doc. He
> was shakinging big time and covered me in slobber. The doc asked me to
> expose his teeth and ears and he let me , no problem.
>     This is extremely unusual behavior for him growling/barking . He is at
> the centre of a active child focoused house and shows no agression around
> his food , toys etc.He will actuall do tricks for my 5 year old.
>      The only time that I can think of where he acted like this was when
we
> had some plumbers in over the last year and he barked at them or at the
> pizza guy.
>     I'm retired , so he is around me all day. He's is tied out first thing
> each AM and last thing each PM alone for about an hour(weather dependant)
or
> until he cries to gget in. He gets at least 2 long walks every day and
goes
> to my childrens school twice a day where he has a large "groupie"
following.
> Always being petted by strangers.
>     Although he has not had any formal obediance training he does all the
> basic commands and will remain in the down/stay with a couple of hundred
> kids running by. Heck he's even been to my youngest childs kindergarten as
> show and tell.
>     He is intact and the vet's assistant urged me to get the "snip" done ,
> but in a dog this age wouldn't the hormonal damage already be done?

>     What should I do. The snip would be logical I guess . Obediance traing
I
> guess but he already does all that even with other dogs around.
>     I kinda think that he was just afraid , but I guess I'll see what the
> pack around here thinks. All I know is that it upset me alot.

 
 
 

Trip To The Vet (kinda wordy)

Post by Q » Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:22:36


Quote:
> The vet is correct regarding his castration.  I would advise you to have
it
> done as soon as you can.

    In a dog this age wouldn't the hormonal damage already be done?


Quote:
> The vet is correct regarding his castration.  I would advise you to have
it
> done as soon as you can.
> You may also have a behavi***problem to deal with.  You explained he
> showed aggression to the vet, the pizza man and the plumber.  That is fair
> enough warning to deal with the problem.  You may want to enroll him in
> obedience class or hire a personal trainer to come to your home.  Sounds
> like he behaves around the children but you wouldn't want an incident
where
> he begins to growl or react to the children and if this behavior is not
> controlled that may happen.  Good luck.
> Marie



> >     Hello all here's what happened.
> > My 21/2 year old lab went to our vet today for annual exam/shots. This
is
> > the same vet that we've gone to since he was 10 weeks of age. The vet is
> > very calm and was not threatening at all.
> >     Anyway today when the vet approached my dog growled at the
pro-offered
> > hand ,and a couple of times during the exam actually barked at the doc.
He
> > was shakinging big time and covered me in slobber. The doc asked me to
> > expose his teeth and ears and he let me , no problem.
> >     This is extremely unusual behavior for him growling/barking . He is
at
> > the centre of a active child focoused house and shows no agression
around
> > his food , toys etc.He will actuall do tricks for my 5 year old.
> >      The only time that I can think of where he acted like this was when
> we
> > had some plumbers in over the last year and he barked at them or at the
> > pizza guy.
> >     I'm retired , so he is around me all day. He's is tied out first
thing
> > each AM and last thing each PM alone for about an hour(weather
dependant)
> or
> > until he cries to gget in. He gets at least 2 long walks every day and
> goes
> > to my childrens school twice a day where he has a large "groupie"
> following.
> > Always being petted by strangers.
> >     Although he has not had any formal obediance training he does all
the
> > basic commands and will remain in the down/stay with a couple of hundred
> > kids running by. Heck he's even been to my youngest childs kindergarten
as
> > show and tell.
> >     He is intact and the vet's assistant urged me to get the "snip" done
,
> > but in a dog this age wouldn't the hormonal damage already be done?

> >     What should I do. The snip would be logical I guess . Obediance
traing
> I
> > guess but he already does all that even with other dogs around.
> >     I kinda think that he was just afraid , but I guess I'll see what
the
> > pack around here thinks. All I know is that it upset me alot.

 
 
 

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Post by Jim » Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:27:59


I would think about tying out your dog.  I've been
told that can contribute heavily to a dog becoming
aggressive.  Dogs that are tied out can't run if
they are fearful, the alternative is to fight.

Jim


Quote:
>     Hello all here's what happened.
> My 21/2 year old lab went to our vet today for

annual exam/shots. This is
Quote:
> the same vet that we've gone to since he was 10

weeks of age. The vet is
Quote:
> very calm and was not threatening at all.
>     Anyway today when the vet approached my dog

growled at the pro-offered
Quote:
> hand ,and a couple of times during the exam

actually barked at the doc. He
Quote:
> was shakinging big time and covered me in

slobber. The doc asked me to
Quote:
> expose his teeth and ears and he let me , no
problem.
>     This is extremely unusual behavior for him

growling/barking . He is at
Quote:
> the centre of a active child focoused house and

shows no agression around
Quote:
> his food , toys etc.He will actuall do tricks
for my 5 year old.
>      The only time that I can think of where he

acted like this was when we
Quote:
> had some plumbers in over the last year and he

barked at them or at the
Quote:
> pizza guy.
>     I'm retired , so he is around me all day.

He's is tied out first thing
Quote:
> each AM and last thing each PM alone for about

an hour(weather dependant) or
Quote:
> until he cries to gget in. He gets at least 2

long walks every day and goes
Quote:
> to my childrens school twice a day where he has

a large "groupie" following.
Quote:
> Always being petted by strangers.
>     Although he has not had any formal obediance

training he does all the
Quote:
> basic commands and will remain in the down/stay

with a couple of hundred
Quote:
> kids running by. Heck he's even been to my

youngest childs kindergarten as
Quote:
> show and tell.
>     He is intact and the vet's assistant urged

me to get the "snip" done ,
Quote:
> but in a dog this age wouldn't the hormonal

damage already be done?
Quote:

>     What should I do. The snip would be logical

I guess . Obediance traing I
Quote:
> guess but he already does all that even with
other dogs around.
>     I kinda think that he was just afraid , but

I guess I'll see what the
Quote:
> pack around here thinks. All I know is that it
upset me alot.

 
 
 

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Post by Madeli » Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:12:03


I'm sure it was just because he was afraid.  I highly recomment
neutering and spaying.  Accidents happen and Lord knows we don't need
any more pups out there.  
 
 
 

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Post by Very Joyfu » Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:08:49


DISCLAIMER: I am not a vet or any type of dog professional.

My husband gets nervous and cranky at the dentist's, but no one suggests we
cut off HIS family jewels.

Barking at the pizza guy is pretty normal. Ditto the plumber. If it goes
beyond barking (growling, hackles raised) and he doesn't calm down after a
couple minutes, then you might want to consider TRUSTING your dog's
judgement. I've never found Trigger to be wrong about a person. Your dog
might have just been scared at the vet's, or maybe your vet is a jerk. (The
last one we tried certainly was.)

About tying him out... is he supervised or protected during this time? I
mean are you watching him, or is there a privacy fence around the yard?
Otherwise, he is at the mercy of people and other animals with no way to get
away, and this could contribute to his defensiveness when cornered at the
vet's office.

This is not to say you shouldn't neuter your dog. It might be the right
thing for your dog. I do want to point out that it was the vet's ASSISTANT,
not the vet who urged you to neuter your dog.

My personal belief is that you should NOT do it just because he growls once
in a while. Besides, as far as I understand it (this is from a lot of
reading online) the behavi***benefits come from EARLY neutering.

Moreover, most of what I've read leads me to believe that the whole
spay-neuter campaign is all about "population control" and NOT about the
health benefits. Plus, I've got to believe that there are trade-offs where
the health benefits are concerned. (Here's one guy's thoughts about the lack
of hormones caused by neutering: http://www.moonsgarden.com/)
I have not found any truly informative (yet readable) discussions about the
health benefits of neutering, just blindly repeated superlatives ("longer
healthier lives!").


Quote:
>     Hello all here's what happened.
> My 21/2 year old lab went to our vet today for annual exam/shots. This is
> the same vet that we've gone to since he was 10 weeks of age. The vet is
> very calm and was not threatening at all.
>     Anyway today when the vet approached my dog growled at the pro-offered
> hand ,and a couple of times during the exam actually barked at the doc. He
> was shakinging big time and covered me in slobber. The doc asked me to
> expose his teeth and ears and he let me , no problem.
>     This is extremely unusual behavior for him growling/barking . He is at
> the centre of a active child focoused house and shows no agression around
> his food , toys etc.He will actuall do tricks for my 5 year old.
>      The only time that I can think of where he acted like this was when
we
> had some plumbers in over the last year and he barked at them or at the
> pizza guy.
>     I'm retired , so he is around me all day. He's is tied out first thing
> each AM and last thing each PM alone for about an hour(weather dependant)
or
> until he cries to gget in. He gets at least 2 long walks every day and
goes
> to my childrens school twice a day where he has a large "groupie"
following.
> Always being petted by strangers.
>     Although he has not had any formal obediance training he does all the
> basic commands and will remain in the down/stay with a couple of hundred
> kids running by. Heck he's even been to my youngest childs kindergarten as
> show and tell.
>     He is intact and the vet's assistant urged me to get the "snip" done ,
> but in a dog this age wouldn't the hormonal damage already be done?

>     What should I do. The snip would be logical I guess . Obediance traing
I
> guess but he already does all that even with other dogs around.
>     I kinda think that he was just afraid , but I guess I'll see what the
> pack around here thinks. All I know is that it upset me alot.

 
 
 

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Post by Sue and Att » Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:21:32



Quote:
> DISCLAIMER: I am not a vet or any type of dog professional.

> My husband gets nervous and cranky at the dentist's, but no one suggests
we
> cut off HIS family jewels.

ROFLMAO   I about spit out my coffee on this one!

Sue and Atty

 
 
 

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Post by Amy Dah » Mon, 23 Jun 2003 06:25:12


Quote:

>     What should I do. The snip would be logical I guess . Obediance traing I
> guess but he already does all that even with other dogs around.
>     I kinda think that he was just afraid , but I guess I'll see what the
> pack around here thinks. All I know is that it upset me alot.

I've read all I can find on the consequences of castration, and one
thing I recall reading is that aggression toward strangers appears
to be unaffected.  Same-sex aggression among dogs is sometimes
reduced.

My guess is that something in your dog's experience has led him to
think an *** male is a bad guy (or an *** male with a nametag
and stethoscope, or some other connection).  It could be as simple
as the mailman phenomenon--the mailman comes to the house again
and again but is always "sent away"--therefore he must be a bad guy.

Amy Dahl

 
 
 

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Post by Marie Castellan » Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:13:05


I am not sure of the hormonal changes that occur in castration.  The reason
I feel you should consider the castration is that it may lessen the chances
of disease that may occur in later years.  I am not a vet, although I did
work for one for many years.
Marie


Quote:
> > The vet is correct regarding his castration.  I would advise you to have
> it
> > done as soon as you can.

>     In a dog this age wouldn't the hormonal damage already be done?



> > The vet is correct regarding his castration.  I would advise you to have
> it
> > done as soon as you can.
> > You may also have a behavi***problem to deal with.  You explained he
> > showed aggression to the vet, the pizza man and the plumber.  That is
fair
> > enough warning to deal with the problem.  You may want to enroll him in
> > obedience class or hire a personal trainer to come to your home.  Sounds
> > like he behaves around the children but you wouldn't want an incident
> where
> > he begins to growl or react to the children and if this behavior is not
> > controlled that may happen.  Good luck.
> > Marie



> > >     Hello all here's what happened.
> > > My 21/2 year old lab went to our vet today for annual exam/shots. This
> is
> > > the same vet that we've gone to since he was 10 weeks of age. The vet
is
> > > very calm and was not threatening at all.
> > >     Anyway today when the vet approached my dog growled at the
> pro-offered
> > > hand ,and a couple of times during the exam actually barked at the
doc.
> He
> > > was shakinging big time and covered me in slobber. The doc asked me to
> > > expose his teeth and ears and he let me , no problem.
> > >     This is extremely unusual behavior for him growling/barking . He
is
> at
> > > the centre of a active child focoused house and shows no agression
> around
> > > his food , toys etc.He will actuall do tricks for my 5 year old.
> > >      The only time that I can think of where he acted like this was
when
> > we
> > > had some plumbers in over the last year and he barked at them or at
the
> > > pizza guy.
> > >     I'm retired , so he is around me all day. He's is tied out first
> thing
> > > each AM and last thing each PM alone for about an hour(weather
> dependant)
> > or
> > > until he cries to gget in. He gets at least 2 long walks every day and
> > goes
> > > to my childrens school twice a day where he has a large "groupie"
> > following.
> > > Always being petted by strangers.
> > >     Although he has not had any formal obediance training he does all
> the
> > > basic commands and will remain in the down/stay with a couple of
hundred
> > > kids running by. Heck he's even been to my youngest childs
kindergarten
> as
> > > show and tell.
> > >     He is intact and the vet's assistant urged me to get the "snip"
done
> ,
> > > but in a dog this age wouldn't the hormonal damage already be done?

> > >     What should I do. The snip would be logical I guess . Obediance
> traing
> > I
> > > guess but he already does all that even with other dogs around.
> > >     I kinda think that he was just afraid , but I guess I'll see what
> the
> > > pack around here thinks. All I know is that it upset me alot.

 
 
 

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Post by Q » Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:50:54


Quote:
> ROFLMAO

You lost me.



Quote:



> > DISCLAIMER: I am not a vet or any type of dog professional.

> > My husband gets nervous and cranky at the dentist's, but no one suggests
> we
> > cut off HIS family jewels.

> ROFLMAO   I about spit out my coffee on this one!

> Sue and Atty

 
 
 

Trip To The Vet (kinda wordy)

Post by Q » Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:50:55


Quote:
> My guess is that something in your dog's experience has led him to
> think an *** male is a bad guy (or an *** male with a nametag
> and stethoscope, or some other connection).  It could be as simple
> as the mailman phenomenon--the mailman comes to the house again
> and again but is always "sent away"--therefore he must be a bad guy.

    I am a man. However now that you mention it that makes sense. These men
show up and he makes them "go away" , as I have been neglegent in my duties
as Alpha.
    Like I said we go to the school twice a day and it's 99% women that fuss
him up , plus the kids.
    I guess I should try and expose him to more men and different places.It
upset me like I said because he is such a ***cat around kids and the
inference from the staff at the vets was that he was unmanagable and
agressive.
    Thanks for your thoughts


Quote:


> >     What should I do. The snip would be logical I guess . Obediance
traing I
> > guess but he already does all that even with other dogs around.
> >     I kinda think that he was just afraid , but I guess I'll see what
the
> > pack around here thinks. All I know is that it upset me alot.

> I've read all I can find on the consequences of castration, and one
> thing I recall reading is that aggression toward strangers appears
> to be unaffected.  Same-sex aggression among dogs is sometimes
> reduced.

> My guess is that something in your dog's experience has led him to
> think an *** male is a bad guy (or an *** male with a nametag
> and stethoscope, or some other connection).  It could be as simple
> as the mailman phenomenon--the mailman comes to the house again
> and again but is always "sent away"--therefore he must be a bad guy.

> Amy Dahl

 
 
 

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Post by Q » Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:50:56


Food for thought ...thanks

Quote:
> The vet is correct regarding his castration.  I would advise you to have
it
> done as soon as you can.
> You may also have a behavi***problem to deal with.  You explained he
> showed aggression to the vet, the pizza man and the plumber.  That is fair
> enough warning to deal with the problem.  You may want to enroll him in
> obedience class or hire a personal trainer to come to your home.  Sounds
> like he behaves around the children but you wouldn't want an incident
where
> he begins to growl or react to the children and if this behavior is not
> controlled that may happen.  Good luck.
> Marie



> >     Hello all here's what happened.
> > My 21/2 year old lab went to our vet today for annual exam/shots. This
is
> > the same vet that we've gone to since he was 10 weeks of age. The vet is
> > very calm and was not threatening at all.
> >     Anyway today when the vet approached my dog growled at the
pro-offered
> > hand ,and a couple of times during the exam actually barked at the doc.
He
> > was shakinging big time and covered me in slobber. The doc asked me to
> > expose his teeth and ears and he let me , no problem.
> >     This is extremely unusual behavior for him growling/barking . He is
at
> > the centre of a active child focoused house and shows no agression
around
> > his food , toys etc.He will actuall do tricks for my 5 year old.
> >      The only time that I can think of where he acted like this was when
> we
> > had some plumbers in over the last year and he barked at them or at the
> > pizza guy.
> >     I'm retired , so he is around me all day. He's is tied out first
thing
> > each AM and last thing each PM alone for about an hour(weather
dependant)
> or
> > until he cries to gget in. He gets at least 2 long walks every day and
> goes
> > to my childrens school twice a day where he has a large "groupie"
> following.
> > Always being petted by strangers.
> >     Although he has not had any formal obediance training he does all
the
> > basic commands and will remain in the down/stay with a couple of hundred
> > kids running by. Heck he's even been to my youngest childs kindergarten
as
> > show and tell.
> >     He is intact and the vet's assistant urged me to get the "snip" done
,
> > but in a dog this age wouldn't the hormonal damage already be done?

> >     What should I do. The snip would be logical I guess . Obediance
traing
> I
> > guess but he already does all that even with other dogs around.
> >     I kinda think that he was just afraid , but I guess I'll see what
the
> > pack around here thinks. All I know is that it upset me alot.

 
 
 

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Post by Q » Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:50:57


Only twice a day to do his business though...


Quote:
> I would think about tying out your dog.  I've been
> told that can contribute heavily to a dog becoming
> aggressive.  Dogs that are tied out can't run if
> they are fearful, the alternative is to fight.

> Jim



> >     Hello all here's what happened.
> > My 21/2 year old lab went to our vet today for
> annual exam/shots. This is
> > the same vet that we've gone to since he was 10
> weeks of age. The vet is
> > very calm and was not threatening at all.
> >     Anyway today when the vet approached my dog
> growled at the pro-offered
> > hand ,and a couple of times during the exam
> actually barked at the doc. He
> > was shakinging big time and covered me in
> slobber. The doc asked me to
> > expose his teeth and ears and he let me , no
> problem.
> >     This is extremely unusual behavior for him
> growling/barking . He is at
> > the centre of a active child focoused house and
> shows no agression around
> > his food , toys etc.He will actuall do tricks
> for my 5 year old.
> >      The only time that I can think of where he
> acted like this was when we
> > had some plumbers in over the last year and he
> barked at them or at the
> > pizza guy.
> >     I'm retired , so he is around me all day.
> He's is tied out first thing
> > each AM and last thing each PM alone for about
> an hour(weather dependant) or
> > until he cries to gget in. He gets at least 2
> long walks every day and goes
> > to my childrens school twice a day where he has
> a large "groupie" following.
> > Always being petted by strangers.
> >     Although he has not had any formal obediance
> training he does all the
> > basic commands and will remain in the down/stay
> with a couple of hundred
> > kids running by. Heck he's even been to my
> youngest childs kindergarten as
> > show and tell.
> >     He is intact and the vet's assistant urged
> me to get the "snip" done ,
> > but in a dog this age wouldn't the hormonal
> damage already be done?

> >     What should I do. The snip would be logical
> I guess . Obediance traing I
> > guess but he already does all that even with
> other dogs around.
> >     I kinda think that he was just afraid , but
> I guess I'll see what the
> > pack around here thinks. All I know is that it
> upset me alot.

 
 
 

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Post by Sue and Att » Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:37:39



Quote:
> > ROFLMAO

> You lost me.

Rolling on the floor laughing my a** off