Moon's Graden

>> >>>>Remi likes to chase and bark at Shadow when we are outside.  It
> happens
>> >>>>mostly when Shadow is running and/or chasing a ball. Distracting her

>> > with

>> >>>>her own ball chase doesn't work.  I generally
>> >>>>corral her and work on a quiet command but so far no luck .  Since
>> >>>>I'm
> a
>> >>>>novice at this training stuff any tips would be appreciated :)

>> >>>>Kathy

>> >>>I'm not sure why the above behavior is actually a problem.  Sounds
>> >>>like
>> >>>PLAY to me!    I've had pups who grab onto the older dog's tail while
>> >>>they fetch, jump all over them, whatever.  It evolves with training
>> >>>and
>> >>>one-on-one play.

>> >>I don't know if it's play or not.  Cooper chases Zane when Zane's
>> >>playing ball, running alongside, barking maniacally and nipping at his
>> >>flanks, neck, face and ears.

>> > Sounds like what is happening here.  Sometimes she does the running and
>> > nipping as he is chasing the ball (no barking) and then all three on
>> > the
> way
>> > back. Are we doomed to taking them out separately?  That creates
> problems
>> > too as the one left behind in the house goes nuts.

>> How well do they interact when there's no ball involved?

> Not well.  Only recently has Shadow started tolerating Remi a shade more.
> There is still frequent growling and lashing out.  Of course Remi's habit
> of
> bounding and jumping into a situation (regardless of which animal happens
> to
> be in the way) doesn't help.

> Zane seems
>> oblivious to Cooper's badgering as long as he's got a ball.  But on a
>> couple of occasions Zane has gotten stressed at various other factors
>> and has lashed out at Cooper for relatively minor infractions (assuming
>> you didn't know their cummulative history).

>> If Shadow's not venting on Remi at other times I'd assume it's play and
>> ignore the noise.

> No it's not play on Shadow's end.  I'm not sure what it is on Remi's end.

> In my situation, I avoid allowing Cooper to
>> antagonize Zane, even though Zane is not visibly reacting to the
>> provocation at the time.  He's clearly keeping score on some level.

> Yes we stop any negative interaction as soon as it occurs too.  I'm hoping
> it eases in time and was hoping that some time outside together might
> speed
> that but it doesn't appear to be doing that.

> Kathy

> Lucky me :-)

> (of course, that last comment was both tongue
> in check AND totally true. She's a gift :-)- Hide quoted text -

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> >> Or is it just better when someome else does
> >> it for you?

> >> I'm trying to understand the strangely
> >> defined limits you have for "positive
> >> reinforcement"...and I say this as someone
> >> who used pretty much no "aversives" (that
> >> being a relative term, of course, so I'm
> >> using it here in the "Positive trainer"
> >> sense) for the last 7 years I was a trainer.

> > Where did I say all corrections are bad? Why would someone else be
> > correcting my dog? You make no sense.

> So physical corrections can be a useful
> teaching tool then?

> And what you describe above, one dog didn't
> do the corrections, so you had to step in.
> That indicates that if the dog was doing the
> correcting, you'd let that dog correct your
> other dog....i.e someone else (the dog) is
> doing the physical correction which makes it
> fine in that case? Or not....I'm unclear on
> that part.