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HOWEDY jane,

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???

Perhaps *you* didn't GET THE POINT, jane?

Your newfHOWEND MENTAL CASE PALS AIN'T
GOT NO IDEA HOWE to pupperly raise, train an
handle innocent defenseless dumb critters AS
PROVEN BY their own POSTED CASE HISTORIES
which I QUOTE for your edification <{}: ~ ( >

Does THAT mean YOU CAN'T READ, jane??

Oh well then, PERHAPS *THAT* EXXXPLAINS
HOWE COME you're askin LYIN ANIMAL ***IN
MENTAL CASES for ADVICE THEY AIN'T GOT??

Perhaps diddler or janet boss or her partner sinofa***
will accept a doggy walkin contract with you?

You mean at the age of 12 weeks, AFTER the puppy
has LEARNED to FIGHT an EAT POOP with his own
littermates JUST LIKE HOWE you SEE your newfHOWEND
MENTAL CASE PALS FIGHTING an EATIN POOP
RIGHT HERE in their own POSTED CASE HISTORIES
which I CITE, for *your* edification AND DESPITE Scott
& Fuller's SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH regarding puppy
PSYCHOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES as
articulated in "Genetics And Social Development" <{}: ~ ) >

Yeah. You just DO whatever your "ETHICKAL BREEDER" sez.

NO PROBLEMO. If you knew *HOWE* to pupperly
raise train an handle "IT", your dog would be 100%
 fully HOWEsbroken NEARLY INSTANTLY <{}: ~ ) >

                       LIKE THIS:

Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST

It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.

Works like a charm.

My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.

Sorry that slipped my mind.

I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.

Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.

Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.

Seemed he learned through osmosis.

Nice side benefit there.

It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.

I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.

I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.

I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.

Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.

Mike

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Hello MOCrab (aka blackvomit) aka jim tindale,

Well, I'd take your advice and go thru the killfile as
you have recommended below, but Jerry's system Is
WORKING wonders with these two puppies in a
matter of days.

He may be abusive and short-tempered with some
people out there because, quite frankly, I think he
cares more  about the dogs that the owner's feelings
 and feels so strongly about it, it's aggravating to have
"experts" discount his methods.

My husband just got back from taking these 15 week
 old pups for a walk, who now respond remarkably
well to the "Zena-Zoey-sit-good-girl!" phrase now
when only said once no matter where they are.

They also respond to the come here command. We
 trained them (granted, out of order of the instructions)
 with the pennies in the cans only two days ago to come
 to us when called.

I've since backtracked to do the exercises in the proper order.

They are calm and well-behaved and impress the Hell
out of anyone who sees them. "You're kidding, they're
 only 14 weeks  old and they are THAT well behaved?"

Yessiree Bob, they are, and we've only had them for 12
days and have been training them (correctly  for 3 days.

 We still have more training exercises to do, but why fix
something  if  it's not broken???? These dogs are happy,
 we don't have to yell at or scold them, they are learning
 to be secure and to pay attention to us for approval and
not out of fear.

I can only assume some might be threatened by this
manual's methods because it goes against all human
logic on how to train a dog. It certainly didn't make
 any sense to me, but I thought what the heck, try it
(even tho I still have to remind myself what to do
because my previous limited experiences with dog
training were SO DIFFERENT to the point that I
almost felt like I needed to take my brain out of my
 head and put it back in backwards!!!.....).....

BUT THE SYSTEM WORKS!!!

How in the world could someone just "make
something up" and it WORK?>??>?

My husband was very doubtful about this method
when I told him I wanted to try this. His dad was
a vet, and certainly didn't use these methods with
 the parade of dogs they had as kids. But now even
 HE has to admit we're doing something right here,
as our stress and frustration levels have lowered
and EVERYONE is much happier around here,
especially the dogs!

I really don't think people are used to the notion that
you can train a dog and it NOT be stressful or difficult.
 It's easy IF you do it just like the manual says. It might
 be easier for some to NOT do it now and go with the
concept of control rather than respect and understanding,
because that's the way WE are used to thinking and
 heaven forbid WE change OUR way of thinking and
admit we've done some counterproductive things in the
past, right?

The results I'm seeing here with these puppies speaks
volumes and discounts what anyone tells me otherwise.

This Wit's End manual is now in a binder
and we're sticking with it.

BlueMoon

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                    AND LIKE THIS:

Date: 27 Jun 2006 19:37:25 -0700

Subject: Re: But it's working!!!

 > The results I'm seeing here with these puppies speaks
 > volumes

Hi BlueMoon,

  Its great that your pups are doing so well.

The Wits End method IS THE BEST WAY TO GO:-)

i wish i had found Jerry when my dog was a puppy,
would have saved so much trouble (and money).

good luck,
Crystal

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Show Dog Bark Wrote:
Date: Sat, Aug 19 2006 2:06 am

Blue is doing fantastic. Thanks to his wonderful
personality, genetics and Jerry's help. I speak with
Jerry a couple of times a week about his progress
and fine tuning his training. Blue sits, heels, is
 totally toilet trained, comes, knows 'down', stay
and all kinds of things like 'lets go for a walk'.

He is pure joy and has made my heart glad and full
of puppy love. He loves walking in the forest trails
and swimming in the cool and refreshing lake. His
'daddy' takes him for his final walk every evening
at 7 P.M. Then it is off to bed. He sleeps till 7 A.M.

It is nice to be able to sleep all night without getting
up for a pee pee a few times with him. In the first few
weeks I had to take him out at night, but now he is
able to sleep all night. He is like a tranquilizer.

I keep asking Jerry if Blue is a genius,
as he is so clever and obedient.

He tells me this is the nature of a dog that
has not been abused.

Blue is super good looking and so smart.

He learned to sit weeks ago. When he needs to go
outside to relieve himself, he lets me know by
going to the door and woofing. One thing that I
have noticed using Jerry's methods is that Blue
is very calm.

Most dogs are hyper and chew furniture and have
bad habits. Blue only plays with his toys. He knows
the difference between his toys and furniture and
does not nip.

I was surprised that he does not want to go on the
furniture. He likes to play on the floor and outside.
We sit outside together and he sits by where I am
reading. He may chew a toy or just hang out in the
shade. The whole town loves him and people are
impressed with his manners.

Show Dog Bark

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               AND LIKE THIS:

Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST

I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.

I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".

Today, I had hoped that the results would be just
as good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).

The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would

relieve himself in the house ...

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HOWEDY taragreen2, you pathetic miserable
stinkin rotten lyin animal ***in punk thug
coward active acute chronic life-long INCURABLE
DRUNKEN DRUG ***ED MENTAL CASE,

                 BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
                  <SNIP IDIOCY>

That so, taragreen2?

You ever SEEN a Papillon? They AIN'T MUCH
BIGGER as ***s than as puppys. The "SIZE"
of the pad is directly proportional to HOWE many
Papillon puppys you can get to turn in 12 inch
circles; IOW, you could probably raise three Paps
their entire lives on WON double sheet of the
Daily News if you changed it a couple times a
day <{}: ~ ) >

That so? You think they're cheaper than FREE, tara?

HOWE COME?? That's SHEER IDIOCY.

That's MALARKEY, taragreen2, you pathetic
miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal ***in
punk thug coward active acute chronic life-
long INCURABLE MALIGNANT MALICIHOWES
MENTAL PATIENT and PROFESSIONAL
OBEDIENCE TRAINER <{}: ~ ( >

         HERE'S HOWE COME:

Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:53:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Critical Socialization

Leah:

 <snip>

"Of course?"  You have a pretty low opinion of a puppy's
ability to learn and remember, even though they do it all
the time with no repetitions and no regression.

Or just maybe they *didn't* regress.  Maybe they didn't really
learn anything in class because the kind of training you use is
DETRIMENTAL TO THE LEARNING PROCESS, as I stated
earlier.

If it were real learning then the dogs
wouldn't, "of course" regress, would they?

Maybe you remember the example I gave of a dog at the dog
 run who instantly learned a new behavior WHILE PLAYING,
and never forgot it.

Or the example I gave about my dog learning the command,
"Up the stairs!", once, just once, and has never regressed
or forgotten the lesson.

He'll still do it every single time, eleven years after he
learned it.  Hang on, I'm going to take him out in the hall
right now, where his expecation is to go DOWN the stairs,
not up, and I'm going to tell him, "Up the stairs!" to see
if he really does still remember it . . .

Yep, he went right up the stairs when I told him to,
so nope, he hasn't regressed.  I wonder why that is.

But then, I forgot: you believe that learning can't take
place without repetition, so "of course" the puppy will
regress if the owner doesn't keep up with the lessons.

That's only natural, right?

Wrong.

Maybe it's time to give credence to the idea that there's
another model of learning -- which comes naturally to
all animals -- and which doesn't require repetition or
 the expectation that the learning will regress.

Just a thought . . .

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:57:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Critical

Leah:>Duh.  Because you USE the command regularly?

Who sez?  I've gone years without using it at all.

And you're forgetting the fact that a day or two after I
taught him the command (inside the apartment building where
we lived at the time), I was walking Fred along a street on
the way to the park.  I stopped in front of a brownstone, a
building we'd never been (and still haven't).

I gave him the command and he immediately obeyed it.  The
second time in his life he heard it, he obeyed it, even
though there was no possible reason for him to do so, other
than the fact that I told him to.

 Why?

I also taught him once, just once, not to cross a curb
without me.  He hasn't forgotten that one either.

Why?

Leah:

No, *this* is: If the puppy had actually been taught not
to pull on the leash, he would stop pulling on the leash.

I'm sure everyone here, if they thought about it, could
come up with their own examples (like the one I gave about
the dog learning a new behavior WHILE PLAYING in the dog
run) of dogs they've observed learning a new behavior once,
and never forgetting it.

  It's the most natural form of learning there is.

But it requires that the dog be in a high-level emotional
state when the learning takes place, which is something
that *can't* be accomplished in a puppy class.

Puppy clases are, generally speaking,
detrimental to the learning process.

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LeeCharlesKelley Wrote:

-From what I've read of Jerry's method it incorporates
a completely new model of learning, which is based (in
simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is the
result of finding a way to relieve emotional tension.

This is true not just for dogs but all animals.

You don't believe in the validity of this particular
model of learning?  You don't think it makes sense?

 Fine, I guess.

But it makes total sense to me.

And it made sense to Pavlov, too,
though not many people know this.

"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."
IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are
what reinforces any behavior.

Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole
atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey
instinct kicked in BIG TIME and he chased it
back into the hole.  This was 7 years before
he died. Up until the very last time he walked
through that section of the park (an hour before
he went) he checked the base of that tree.

He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never
saw it again. Don't we all have stories like
that?

Especially those of us with dogs whose
prey drives are pretty intense?

And there are lots of examples that may not
even require the prey drive to be active,
just a strong desire to do something: a dog
who wants to escape from the back yard will
learn how to do it once and never forget it,
a dog who wants to jump on the couch or the
bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce"
or re-learn the behavior.

If something is important to a dog, he'll
learn how to do it.  Once he learns it, he
learns it. The TRICK to getting him to
"unlearn" it, is to give him a more emotionally
satisfying replacement behavior.

With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying
behavior was relating to me instead of the cat.
(He's a Lab, with a strong need for social
connections, so that was pretty easy.)

I've been experimenting recently with Jerry
Howe's method of using a sound distraction,
then praising the dog, without any physical
contact, for 15 seconds.

My initial reaction to his technique was that
it was silly to keep praising the dog that long.

I mean, Jerry's a nut, right?

But in every case except one, when I've followed
the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite
physiological change take place in the dog -
- yawning or stretching have been the usual
indicators -- and after only a few repetitions,
the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep!

I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing,
separation anxiety, even two dogs who live
together and fight constantly.  I was pretty
amazed when I saw this little Boston give up
her aggression and start to yawn!

It's too early for me to be convinced that it
will work every single time with every single
dog, or that it will even have a lasting effect
on these dogs, but so far I think that it's
effective at reducing emotional tension, which,
as you know, I believe that all behavior comes
from the dog trying to find a way to reduce
emotional tension.  If you give the dog a
replacement behavior that successfully reduces
emotional tension, the first behavior will no
longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it.

LeeCharlesKelley.

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You mean, like ***ION <{}: ~ ) >

You mean offerin an witholding BRIBES, taragreen2??:

"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of
"negative reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY
 EVERY LEARNING THEORY model involves
the USE OF PUNISHMENT.

Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge,
demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon
 that an expected reward not received is experienced
as a punishment and can produce extensive and
persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966)."

               SEE?

THAT'S HOWE COME elegy ***ED her
 DEAD "RESCUE" dog Harve when IT TURNED
ON HER for offerin an withHOWELDING bribes
an FORCIN IT into a box to AVOID TRAININ IT;
NO SURPRISE IT WENT INSANE <{}: ~ ( >

Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And
Readily Be Done Using TLC. ...

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Great post Jer!
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