Wanted: Dog Trainning in Oakville, ON area

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Wanted: Dog Trainning in Oakville, ON area

Post by Stup » Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:04:13



Hey all,

I am having the worst luck in trying to find a training class in the
Oakville Ontario area.  If anyone here is from the area and knows of
any good classes please email me personally.

I'm willing to go to classes in Oakville, Burlington, Guelph, Milton
or Mississauga.

I need something that offers a no-abuse training method, prefer using
a collar rather than a halti and want to start with kindergarden.

Thanks, everyone.

Craig

 
 
 

Wanted: Dog Trainning in Oakville, ON area

Post by Stup » Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:06:06


Hey all,

I am having the worst luck in trying to find a training class in the
Oakville Ontario area.  If anyone here is from the area and knows of
any good classes please email me personally.

I'm willing to go to classes in Oakville, Burlington, Guelph, Milton
or Mississauga.

I need something that offers a no-abuse training method, prefer using
a collar rather than a halti and want to start with kindergarden.

Thanks, everyone.

Craig

 
 
 

Wanted: Dog Trainning in Oakville, ON area

Post by The Puppy Wizar » Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:38:51



Quote:
> I don'tk now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's not
> here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her loss. I'm the
> one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you
> write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a
> shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay
> home. Up until I started using it my main concern had been
> keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I started using the e-
> fence...well, then my concern became how to keep them from
> running off for days on end.
> I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock
> debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
> I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A
> Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
> doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the
> time. IOW a great companion and friend.
> Thanks Jerry!

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> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
> Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no
> collars.
> Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to
> come back in the yard and would run for days. The
> last time, Peach didn't come back home.
> I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to
> train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
> minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the
> yard.
> She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her
> from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we
> walk around the yard.
> I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
> e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
> then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an
> electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again.
> The price was too high:-(
> ~misty

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Subject: Re: Crate Anxiety
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Date: 2002-04-04 12:56:23 PST

Try Jerry Howe's training manual, or checkout
his Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster
Did And A***atoo Or Too Did Too) machine....it
is for this.  Please do not listen to the others in here
that don't like him or his methods, they have never
tried them....I have and it works!!!!

I broke my dog from nipping almost 100% in 1 day
and she usually does this SEVERAL times a day
and actually makes my kids bleed!

Try it or contact him!  The manual is at the above
website also, and it is free!

Becky

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> I moved to Jacksonville, Florida about a year
> ago with my lovely wife  linda. 3 times a week
> for 7 months I visited the Dog shelter and
> Humane Society looking for a German Shepard.
> There were several times they had a dog there,
> but I was looking for a ***. The reason for this
> is, all my life I have laways had a female german
> shepard. Therefore, I wanted another one. Finally
> about 6 weeks ago, I found her. "Angel" looked
> just like my previous dog of 12 years. I called my
> wife, she came down and fell in love with her immediately.
> We filled out the paper work and left the Humane
> Society with her. We drove directly to Pet Smart to
> buy all the essentials. We bought the biggest crate
> available. Let it be known I have never used a crate
> with any of my previous dogs. The biggest difference
> is my other dogs I had from puppy age. Angel just
> turned 2, 3 days before adoption.
> Angel appeared to be happy the trip home. Her ears
> were down all the time and her tail was so far between
> her legs that it looked like she had 3 ears. (humor)
> None the less, we knew we had a dog that was insecure.
> The first night we let Angel sleep in the living room.
> However, we had to go to work the next day. We pet
> her, kissed her and put her in the crate in the middle
> of the living room. During the day, my sons came
> home to walk her, give her a little loving and play with
> her. Then put her back in the crate and go to work.
> When we got home the first day, everything in the
> crate was ripped to shreads. The neighbors
>  approached us and said that the dogs barked
> constantly for 3 hours then barked continuously after
>  my sons left again. We thought it was because
> everything was new. We were wrong. The dig did
>  this every day for 4 days.
> The 4th day was our first scheduled visit with the
> vet. The vet told us he can see that the dog is
> suffering from abuse and seperation anxiety. So,
> the vet puts the dog on clomicalm. (not sure of the
> spelling).
> Well, for two days the dog walked around like Jerry
> Garcia on a Friday night after a concert, stoned!
> However, we were home with her the entire weekend.
> We crated her for work and came home to a barking
> dog, ripped bedding in the crate, upset neighbors
> and the plastic bottom of the crate completely torn
> to bits. It was obvious that crating was not a good thing.
> The next day we decided to leave her out of the crate
> to see what would happen. What a major mistake.
> We came home to almost $1,000 in damage.
>  Furniture, the blinds were all chewed and torn down, etc.
> The next day we put her in the crate again. This
> time we came home to a nice 2' x 3' hole in our
> carpet in the middle of the living room, right down
> to the cement. I told my wife that we cannot afford
> to keep this dog. We should go out and get a puppy.
>She was upset and said there must be something
> we can do. I told her this. " I will go on the internet
> and see what is available". I was desperate and
> wanted to see if there was someone who could help.
> We read the information about the DDR and emailed
> Jerry. Jerry was kind enough to give us his phone
> number to discuss Angel in more detail.
> First, at no cost he sent us his manual. We started
> doing exactly what he said to do in the manual.
> Exactly as we did was was written, the results were
> exactly as he said it would be. Then we purchased
> the DDR.
> This is an amazing god send to us. First of all,
> Jerry sent it to us wihtout paying. (thanks for that gesture)
> This has such and AMAZING effect. This testimonial is kind
> of  winded so I will say this......Jerry's product litterly saved
>  this dogs life.
> Angel can be left alone duing the day. NO CRATE. The
> dog shows absolutely no sign of anxiety at all. Jerry told
> us the product works immediately and it did! She does
> not bark at all during the day except when the mailman
> drops mail into the slot on the door. The manual for
> training works exactly as it says!
> We told our vet about this and he said that there are
> all kind of gimmicks. I told my vet that as a person who
> holds a degree of higher education, there just are some
>  things they don't have in the text books and he should
> be receptive to that. We are proof. Angel was one
> day from going back to the humane society.
> Listen to this...My wife wrote one of the so called know
> it all of pets. His response to the exact letter we initially
> wrote to Jerry..."Get rid of the dog, bring her back" I'll
> save this person embarrassment by not saying the name.
> However, you know who you are and I have this to say to
> you. Go pump gas or bus tables because you
> sir, do not belong working with animals!
> Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news
> group, I can't for the life of me understand why this
> many people are so dang blind or ignorant.
>  You just keep plugging away at what you do, because
> you my friend are a life saver!!!
> Anytime you need someone to speak about the results
> of your product, you have my number. We would galdly
> talk to them.
> Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you...
> Anthony & Linda Testa
> Jacksonville, Florida

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> > [...]
> > > Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news
> > > group, I can't for the life of me understand why this
> > > many people are so dang blind or ignorant.
> > > You just keep plugging away at what you do,
> > > because you my friend are a life saver!!!
> > Okay, who the heck ARE you, really?
> Who am I? My real name is posted. The story you
> have read is true. We were at witts end, found Jerry's
> web page by happenstance, wrote to him almost exactly
> what you read, he gave me his sugestions, told me
> what my results would be including a time line and,
> you know what? He was and still is, right on the money.
> I don't care if he's a warlock, a professor, disgrunted
> Entomologist, or a man with a nitche that makes the
> sciences itchy, he saved the day AND a dog's life.
> We were given suggestions from Medication, to a
> Behavi***Specialist. I decided that instead of creating
> a Jerry Garcia or pay 125.00 dollars an hour for my
> dog to lay on a couch to be freudiated, I decided Jerry
> Howe's method seemed to be more humane and sereine.
> It worked, end of story.
> A. Testa

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Quote:
> Hey all,

> I am having the worst luck in trying to find a training class in the
> Oakville Ontario area.  If anyone here is from the area and knows of
> any good classes please email me personally.

> I'm willing to go to classes in Oakville, Burlington, Guelph, Milton
> or Mississauga.

> I need something that offers a no-abuse training method, prefer using
> a collar rather than a halti

...

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Wanted: Dog Trainning in Oakville, ON area

Post by The Puppy Wizar » Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:39:47


Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...

Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry
and have spoken with him briefly once by email.

I have no stake or interest in the success of  his
business.  I simply want to thank him publicly for
one of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.

I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a
stuffed animal and then say good bye to my own
dog, but I am usually a very open minded person,
so I tried it.  Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked!

I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic. Thank you Jerry!

==================

Quote:
> Melisande Writes:
> Thanks Jerry,
> I haven't quite finished reading the free chapter on
> your website, but it already worked miracles with our
> three dogs.  The barking at the door
> has diminished so much that, well, frankly, we're stunned.
> We were sort of on the same page with you to begin with (no
> crates, no ***chains). A lot of what you say reminds of my
> dad's techniques (he's an 84 year old dog lover, one of those
> about whom people say, "dogs
> really like him."  He's never had a badly behaved dog.
> We'd never heard of the noise emphasis, but the overall plan
> makes great sense.
> I did have a question.  The hardest part for us to implement is the
> verbal praise only.  It's so hard not to pet and stroke the dog
> (especially
> our seven month old).  Can you give me the rationale behind that?
> It will help me modify my own behavior.
> Anyway, your approach is amazing.
> Melisande

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Quote:
> Hey all,

> I am having the worst luck in trying to find a training class in the
> Oakville Ontario area.  If anyone here is from the area and knows of
> any good classes please email me personally.

> I'm willing to go to classes in Oakville, Burlington, Guelph, Milton
> or Mississauga.

> I need something that offers a no-abuse training method, prefer using
> a collar rather than a halti and want to start with kindergarden.

> Thanks, everyone.

> Craig

 
 
 

Wanted: Dog Trainning in Oakville, ON area

Post by The Puppy Wizar » Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:40:04


Quote:
Nevyn writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success
I've had with your training manual! My two mutts
have gone from out-of-control psychos to obedient
well behaved companions within a matter of weeks!

AND My friends have seen the success and have
asked me to work on their dogs! I was working with
a 5 month old Ridgeback female today and she was
being an angel after like an hour of working with her!
it is AMAZING!! I pity those fools who take their
dogs to classes where the "Trainers" abuse their dogs!
(do they have a degree? A masters? a Phd? by the way?
NO they are average joes off the street who think they
know how to train dogs!)

Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!

NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.

================

Never give out your password or credit card number in an
instant message conversation.

Nevyn says:
hello Jerry.

Jerry says:
HOWEDY Nevyn

Nevyn says:
How are you?

Jerry says:
sup?

Nevyn says:
Oh nothing

Nevyn says:

My dogs are alot better now!

Jerry says:
fine

Jerry says:
tell me

Nevyn says:

dogs

Jerry says:
naah

Nevyn says:
I can let them inside and they wont eat the cats

Jerry says:
naah

Nevyn says:
Yup

Jerry says:
what did you do, buy a shock collar?

Nevyn says:
No

Nevyn says:
Praised them

Jerry says:
ahh!

Jerry says:
you think they're 100% better

Nevyn says:
'cept they still bark at the neighbour but only coz he swears at them and
pours water on them

Nevyn says:
nahh they still have stinky breath!

Nevyn says:
muahaha

Jerry says:
ok

Jerry says:
I'll go for that

Jerry says:
it'll take a couple more days to break the neighbor thing if you're
consistent

Jerry says:
then he won't swear and throw water at them

Nevyn says:
yeah but he's only out on the weekends

Jerry says:
but they'll still have stinky breath

Nevyn says:
muahahaha

Jerry says:
you gonna write the group and tell them they're suckin hind teat?

Nevyn says:
eh

Nevyn says:
nah

Nevyn says:
cant

Nevyn says:
my news server isn't workin

Nevyn says:
how about u just screenshot or copy this chat and post it

Jerry says:
why not.

Nevyn says:
sorry been tryin all day to get on the news server

Jerry says:
you got anything you'd like to tell the dog lovers who would prefer
to see you ***and shock and lock your dogs in a box?

Jerry says:
I guess you don't want to tell them nuthin that they don't already know,
huh?

Nevyn says:
hah

Nevyn says:
tell them they're ***ers who need to die

Nevyn says:
dogs aren't for abusing they are for loving they love so much

Jerry says:
that's HOWE COME they got me now

Jerry says:
howe much training time did it take for the two of 'em?

Nevyn says:
pfftt

Nevyn says:
it didn't even seem like training

Nevyn says:
its been 24 days since I got your manual

Jerry says:
pfffttt!!!!

Jerry says:
hhahahahaha

Jerry says:
have you got that feeling that they're in tune with EVERYTHING you're
wanting them to do?

Jerry says:
I forgot what city you're in.

Jerry says:
maybe if you're near alphalpha sweeny you can swing by and LAUGH your ass
off at him growling at his dogs???

Jerry says:
BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!


Quote:
> Hey all,

> I am having the worst luck in trying to find a training class in the
> Oakville Ontario area.  If anyone here is from the area and knows of
> any good classes please email me personally.

> I'm willing to go to classes in Oakville, Burlington, Guelph, Milton
> or Mississauga.

> I need something that offers a no-abuse training method, prefer using
> a collar rather than a halti and want to start with kindergarden.

> Thanks, everyone.

> Craig

 
 
 

Wanted: Dog Trainning in Oakville, ON area

Post by The Puppy Wizar » Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:40:42


Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Animal Commissioner
     Brevard Co FL, writes: Sep 9, 2000

     "I ordered from Jerry a long time ago.. He was helpful and
     the order was filled promptly. Yes, Doggie Do Right does
     indeed exist.

     I "had" a very aggressive female Pit.. She was showing
     aggression not only towards Dok, Rhodesian Ridgeback,
     but our cats and even us.

     She now plays with Dok, even to the point of allowing him
     to take a toy or bone from her. She no longer shows any
     aggression towards us. She is showing some aggression
     towards the cats but that is down to a warning growl.

     It is not just my opinion that all this aggression existed
     before Doggie Do Right as we were advised by three vets
     to euthanize her.

     I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it
     has helped my dogs and cats. I do think your product is a
     valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior
     problems.

     I am in Feral CatNetwork (we spay and neuter approximately
     100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC
     dog obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club,
     president of Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for
     Care and Welfare of Animals (on the board are: county
     commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat
     club, assistant County manager, head of animal control,
     director of two different shelters, etc.) and Space
     Coast Feline Network http://www.spacecoastfelinenetwork.com

     Thanks, Elaine,

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Quote:
> Hey all,

> I am having the worst luck in trying to find a training class in the
> Oakville Ontario area.  If anyone here is from the area and knows of
> any good classes please email me personally.

> I'm willing to go to classes in Oakville, Burlington, Guelph, Milton
> or Mississauga.

> I need something that offers a no-abuse training method, prefer using
> a collar rather than a halti and want to start with kindergarden.

> Thanks, everyone.

> Craig

 
 
 

Wanted: Dog Trainning in Oakville, ON area

Post by The Puppy Wizar » Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:41:14


Quote:

> > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth!
> > Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> > come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
> Robert Crim writes:
> I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
> I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
> of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
> posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive
> child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for
> putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile ***at
> the hands of supposedly *** dog lovers.
> The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
> idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
> we would not have had to hold the head of a really
> magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
> needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
> his last gasp.
> To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
> good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide
> behind fake names are more honest than people that use
> their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
> breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
> j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
> lived by their craft for decades.
> "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
> level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that
> people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to
> just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you
> act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don't really care.
> > And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually
> > admit to buying and having success with his little black
> > box.
> I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
> it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You
> would never believe the results, so you'll never know.
> > Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> > Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to
> > him! LOL!
> I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
> Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
> As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
> >Terri
> Yes it was, and that is sad.
> Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box
> first?)

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Quote:
> Hey all,

> I am having the worst luck in trying to find a training class in the
> Oakville Ontario area.  If anyone here is from the area and knows of
> any good classes please email me personally.

> I'm willing to go to classes in Oakville, Burlington, Guelph, Milton
> or Mississauga.

> I need something that offers a no-abuse training method, prefer using
> a collar rather than a halti and want to start with kindergarden.

> Thanks, everyone.

> Craig

 
 
 

Wanted: Dog Trainning in Oakville, ON area

Post by The Puppy Wizar » Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:42:24


Subj: Fear of Thunder
Date: 6/29/02 6:07:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Jraltman
To: Witsenddog

Dear Jerry,

I hope you'll be able to post this message so more people who
are at their wit's end will be able to help their dogs.

To review:

Our puppy was uncomfortable during thunder
storms. At the beginning of the problem, she
paced restlessly from room to room. She
couldn't settle and sleep.

From there the problem grew. She would run
to the far southeast corner of the house (which
makes sense because most storms here come
from the northwest) and she'd cower in the
corner of the couch and shake.

!st attempt to help her:

I'd pick her up, brush and massage her (call
me a nut - I've sung to her when I've done her
daily brushing since she was tiny so of course
I sang too) and when she relaxed, I'd put her
in her crate. She then slept and I thought the
problem was solved.

Traumatic event:

We were out in the park playing with one of
her doggy friends when it began to rain. On
the way home, there was the loudest, longest,
thunder clap I've ever heard. From that day on,
the problem got worse and worse. I couldn't
calm her with singing and massage. The fear
spread. She wouldn't go out if it was raining.
No thunder, just gently summer rain, and she
wouldn't go out.

The solution:

I surfed the net and came across a free manual
Wit's End Dog Training Method and a product
called Doggy Do Right that seemed better than
anything else I came across.

A phone call to Jerry Howe, author of the manual
and Director of Research, Biosound Scientific,
convince me to try both the manual and the product.

Problem solved:

I followed Jerry's suggestions  (more phone calls -
he is most generous with his time and advice). The
first two thunder storms my puppy was restless but
not running around in a blind panic. The third storm,
she barked her deep, stranger danger bark after each
clap of thunder. The fourth storm, she seemed uneasy
at first. Soon she was asleep at my feet and she napped
through the rest of the storm. A miracle. I am endlessly
grateful to Jerry for his manual and his machine.

A word about Doggy Do Right. It is odd to buy
a machine that emits a sound I cannot hear.
I took the chance because Jerry offered a full
refund including shipping. Though I heard
nothing, my puppy clearly did. When I first
turned on the machine, she got the cutest,
most quizzical look on her face.

She looked at me as if to say: "What's that?
I never heard that before." She looks at the
machine when it is on. She rests on the floor
beneath it. It is obvious from her behavior
that she is aware of its cycles.

Amazing.

Thank you Jerry.

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Quote:
> Hey all,

> I am having the worst luck in trying to find a training class in the
> Oakville Ontario area.  If anyone here is from the area and knows of
> any good classes please email me personally.

> I'm willing to go to classes in Oakville, Burlington, Guelph, Milton
> or Mississauga.

> I need something that offers a no-abuse training method, prefer using
> a collar rather than a halti and want to start with kindergarden.

> Thanks, everyone.

> Craig

 
 
 

Wanted: Dog Trainning in Oakville, ON area

Post by The Puppy Wizar » Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:42:10


 > I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a bit of the
 > literature suggested I needed to assert my *** and "make
 > the dog earn everything it gets."  I tried this once or twice, just
 > by taking a stern tone of voice, and the results were terrible.  The
 > pup got scared and just wanted to stay away from me.

 > That's why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE Wits' End Dog
 > Training
 > manual -- that and the fact that Jerry is an all-around great guy.

 > The core takeaway I got from Jerry's manual is this: make yourself
 > the center of your puppy's world -- his personal Lord Jesus. Never
 > give him a reason to fear you or think you're angry.  Love the heck
 > out of him, and you'll end up with a great dog.

 > This has truly worked with my puppy.  She'll do anything I want
 > > her to, if she  understands, because she trusts me 100 percent,
 > and nothing is more important in her world than her relationship
 > with me.  http://www.moonsgarden.com/

 > Charlie

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Quote:
> Hey all,

> I am having the worst luck in trying to find a training class in the
> Oakville Ontario area.  If anyone here is from the area and knows of
> any good classes please email me personally.

> I'm willing to go to classes in Oakville, Burlington, Guelph, Milton
> or Mississauga.

> I need something that offers a no-abuse training method, prefer using
> a collar rather than a halti and want to start with kindergarden.

> Thanks, everyone.

> Craig

 
 
 

Wanted: Dog Trainning in Oakville, ON area

Post by The Puppy Wizar » Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:56:52



Quote:
> Here's the deal.  Oliver's a bit of a *** and won't suffer
> himself to be separated from us.  He gets pretty anxious when
> left alone.  Even when left with multiple toys he usually
> ignores them and so far has chewed up the coffee table, the TV
> cabinet, the aquarium stand, the walls, a tube of red lipstick
> on a white upholstered chair, $15 cash, etc, etc, etc.  He
> doesn't like his cage and we've avoided it up until the TV
> cabinet, but he's just costing too much in damaged furniture.
> So, Oliver spends the day in his cage.  I'm home from 11:00 am
> til noon and again briefly at 2:30 pm to give him breaks.  Even
> so, he's inconsolable when in the cage.  Works himself up so
> much that he poo's on himself in the cage once or twice a week.
> He's also noticably more clingy during the evening hours.  Won't
> even go out and go to the bathroom he's so concerned about
> getting back inside.  Just bounces off the back door until
> somebody goes outside and stands watching him.

> Any suggestions on how to keep him from killing the house but at
> the same time not killing HIM from stress?

> -Dirt-

BWWWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!


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Quote:
> Hey all,

> I am having the worst luck in trying to find a training class in the
> Oakville Ontario area.  If anyone here is from the area and knows of
> any good classes please email me personally.

> I'm willing to go to classes in Oakville, Burlington, Guelph, Milton
> or Mississauga.

> I need something that offers a no-abuse training method, prefer using
> a collar rather than a halti and want to start with kindergarden.

> Thanks, everyone.

> Craig

 
 
 

Wanted: Dog Trainning in Oakville, ON area

Post by Stup » Fri, 19 Jul 2002 03:05:27


Besides Ninnyboy, who is obviousley a TROLL looking for some
attention.  Maybe his mother just put him outside in the backyard on a
leash unattended to much when he was a child.

Anyway, if there is anyone who isn't mentaly disturbed that wants to
offer some advice, I would appretiate it.  I really want to get into
some socialization classes soon.

Quote:


> > Hey all,

> > I am having the worst luck in trying to find a training class in the
> > Oakville Ontario area.  If anyone here is from the area and knows of
> > any good classes please email me personally.

> > I'm willing to go to classes in Oakville, Burlington, Guelph, Milton
> > or Mississauga.

> > I need something that offers a no-abuse training method, prefer using
> > a collar rather than a halti and want to start with kindergarden.

> > Thanks, everyone.

> > Craig

 
 
 

Wanted: Dog Trainning in Oakville, ON area

Post by The Puppy Wizar » Fri, 19 Jul 2002 03:46:24


you're in the right place for socializing...

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either
They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog.
Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch:
You Must Keep The Pressure Up" sindy "don't let the dog
SCREAM" mooreon.

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And
 Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few
 Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
 "Courteous Canine."

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your dog for Bitter
Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible. What  does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one
squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog
won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore him and continue
your normal behavior."

  --Mike Dufort
    author of the zero selling book
    "Courteous Canines"

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?
Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?


  "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
  something you twisted out of context, because you
  are full of bizarro manure."

Quote:
> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make the
> > > dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we

 > > > want to do.

Quote:
> > And neither does anyone else, Jerome.  No matter what Jerry Howe
> > states.
> > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual.  I feel very sorry
> > for her and her family.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt,  please provide a quote
> > (an original quote, not from one of Jerry  Howe's heavily edited
> > diatribes) that shows a regular poster promoting
> > or using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

Is that true, Marilyn?

Of course not~ but THIS IS:


Quote:
> >Di,
> I don't believe you mentioned a particular kind of training. If you
> are interested in training retrieval behavior than do consider
> our own Amy Dahl's:
> The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a Well-Mannered, Obedient and
> Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a Day
> by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl

You failed to mention your pals the dahls are proven liars and dog
abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"

 "I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not Believe There
 Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything
 But Destructive," "I don't see why anyone would want to ***or
 beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get a good working dog by
 making them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl
 who continues:

Quote:
> just $17.95 at Amazon.com.
> (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few regulars here who
> are either ill-tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.)
> --Marshall

amy lying frosty dahl continues:

 "On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained
 require much more frequent and heavy application of
 pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

 This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the
 job is not done until it is overcome

 Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it
 yourself. Tougher,  less tractable dogs may require you to progress to
 striking them more sharply

 Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar,  even the
 buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in

 but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the
 ear pinch

 You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb
 even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that

 Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting
 your will fades in importance.

 CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand,
 As it catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch. When the
 dog is digging out to beat the stick and seems totally reliable without
 any ear pinch, you are finished

 This is continued resistance to your increasing authority,
 and the job is not done until it is overcome" If the dog drops it, chuck
 it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

 (stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because the ear is getting
 tender, or the dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl.

 "Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold.



writes:

Quote:
>> -snip headers etc.
>> Yes. you're right, I really should find the book.. they don't have these
>> books in the local pet stores I frequent, where do you find Koehler?
>I got a nice large print copy from Amazon.com
>Richard

  Please try Powell's Books in Portland Oregon. Their URL is:

                    http://www.moonsgarden.com/

  Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both new and used books on
  its shelves. You can order books via e-email.

                     Koehler Method Of Dog Training
                     by Koehler, W R
                     Published by HOWELL BOOK HOUSE (0876056575,

========================================================

Here's some quotes and some methods right outta your koehler book professor
"SCRUFF SHAKE:"

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training" Howell Book House," 1996
William Koehler

BARKING, WHINING, HOWLING, YODELING, SCREAMING, AND WAILING

The fact that you realize you have such a problem makes it certain
you have "reproved" the dog often enough to let him know you were
against his sound effects, even though your reproving didn't quiet
them, so we'll bypass the loudly clapped hands, the cup of water in
his face, and the "shame-shames" and start with something more
emphatic.

We'll begin with the easiest kind of vocalist to correct: the one
that charges gates, fences, doors, and windows, barking furiously at
familiar or imaginary people and objects. A few clusters of BBs from
a good slingshot, in conjunction with the light line and plenty of
temptations, will cause such a dog to use his mind rather than his
mouth.

But you won't make the permanent impression unless you
supply dozens of opportunities for him to exercise the control he
thus acquires. Make sure these opportunities don't always come at
the same time of the day, else he may learn to observe the "quiet
hour" and pursue his old routines at other times.

With the help of the light line, it will be easy to follow the BBs
with a long down to make sure he gets the most from his lesson. As
was mentioned before, eliminating the senseless barking will not
lessen the dog's value as a  watchdog but rather, as he grows more
discriminating, increase it.

The dog who vocalizes in bratty protest or lonesomeness because
you're gone constitutes a different problem. If it is impractical
for someone to stay with him constantly (there are owners who cater
to neurosis by employing dog sitters), you'll have to heed
the neighbors and the law and quiet the dog. This calls for a little
ingenuity as well as a heavy hand.

Attach a line to your dog's collar, so your corrective effort
doesn't turn into a footrace around the house until you reach a
stalemate under the bed. This use of the line in the correction will
also serve to establish it as a reminder to be quiet as the dog
drags it around when you're not present. Next, equip yourself with a
man's leather belt or a strap heavy enough to give your particular
dog a good tanning.

Yup-we're going to strike him. Real hard. Remember,
you're dealing with a dog who knows he should be quiet and
neighbors who have legal rights to see that he does.

Now leave, and let your fading footsteps tell the dog of your going.
When you've walked to a point where he'll think you're gone but
where you could hear any noises he might make, stop and listen. If
you find a comfortable waiting place on a nearby porch, be careful
not to talk or laugh. Tests show a dog's hearing to be many times as
sharp as yours.

When the noise comes, instead of trying to sneak up to the door so
you can barge in while he's still barking, which is generally
impossible, respond to his first sound with an emphatic bellow of
"out," and keep on bellowing as you charge back to his area.

Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you've
conveniently placed, and descend on him. He'll have no chance to
dodge if you grab the line  and reel him in until his front feet are
raised off the floor or, if he's a big dog, until you've snubbed him
up with a hitch on something. While he's held in close, lay the
strap vigorously against his thighs.

Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it's the bitter end. A real
whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat
performances that will be necessary.

When you're finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on
a long down to think things over  while you catch your breath. After
fif*** or twenty minutes, release  him from the stay and leave the
area again.

So that you won't feel remorseful, reflect on the truth that a great
percentage of the barkers who are given away to "good homes" end
up in the kindly black box with the sweet smell. Personally, I've
always felt that it's even better to spank children, even if they
"cry out," than to "put them to sleep."

You might have a long wait on that comfortable porch before your
dog starts broadcasting again. When he does, let your long range
bellow tie the consequent correction to his first sound and repeat
the spanking, if anything emphasizing it a bit more.

It might be necessary to spend a Saturday or another day off so that
you'll have time to follow through sufficiently. When you have a
full day, you will be able to convince him each yelp will have a bad
consequence, and the ...

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Wanted: Dog Trainning in Oakville, ON area

Post by SOmeThINg a LiTtLE FreAK » Fri, 19 Jul 2002 06:14:24


Bucksburn Vet on 8th line (just south of Dundas) gave me a list once of
reputable trainers.  Try asking them.

Erin
Just my 2 cents

 -Random Quote-
"You know, Hobbes, sometimes even my lucky rocketship underpants don't
help."
                                              - Calvin


Quote:
> Hey all,

> I am having the worst luck in trying to find a training class in the
> Oakville Ontario area.  If anyone here is from the area and knows of
> any good classes please email me personally.

> I'm willing to go to classes in Oakville, Burlington, Guelph, Milton
> or Mississauga.

> I need something that offers a no-abuse training method, prefer using
> a collar rather than a halti and want to start with kindergarden.

> Thanks, everyone.

> Craig

 
 
 

Wanted: Dog Trainning in Oakville, ON area

Post by Anne Jenso » Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:50:38


If you don't mind going to Kitchener - there is a wonderful trainer at
Wag n'Train on Victoria Street in Kitchener. Her name is Allison Berry
and I have been taking my 2 dogs to her for obedience and agility
training. She is a great trainer.
742-4000 - check out the website at www.kwk9.com
Quote:

> Hey all,

> I am having the worst luck in trying to find a training class in the
> Oakville Ontario area.  If anyone here is from the area and knows of
> any good classes please email me personally.

> I'm willing to go to classes in Oakville, Burlington, Guelph, Milton
> or Mississauga.

> I need something that offers a no-abuse training method, prefer using
> a collar rather than a halti and want to start with kindergarden.

> Thanks, everyone.

> Craig

 
 
 

Wanted: Dog Trainning in Oakville, ON area

Post by Stup » Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:27:01


I found the perfect class for us in Guelph.  It's a little far, but
they have everything I wanted.

www.mccanndogs.com

Thank you everyone for your responses.

Quote:

> > Hey all,

> > I am having the worst luck in trying to find a training class in the
> > Oakville Ontario area.  If anyone here is from the area and knows of
> > any good classes please email me personally.

> > I'm willing to go to classes in Oakville, Burlington, Guelph, Milton
> > or Mississauga.

> > I need something that offers a no-abuse training method, prefer using
> > a collar rather than a halti and want to start with kindergarden.

> > Thanks, everyone.

> > Craig