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is this a hot spot?

Post by Sue and Angel Jade » Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:05:14



My 8 1/2 week old yellow lab has a small semi-circular exzema (sp) ... for
lack of better description...  above the base of the tail.  It is about 3/4
of a ring, smaller than a dime, not red, just a line, not a filled in oozy
thing.   I'm assuming it is a hot spot, however it has not grown. (I haven't
had much experience with hotspots.  That's what my trainer thought last
night when she was out to play with us)   It's just kind of crusty, not red
and puss filled.  It wasn't there when we were at the vet's last week. More
likely, it wasn't and , I hadn't found it yet...She occassionally does try
to chew at it, so it must be somewhat itchy/irritating, but she's not
obsessed with it.  Would there be anything else that it could be besides a
hot spot?  (our vet is on vacation... or I'd ask him <S>)  She is still on
Amoxycillan for her UTI.  Friday is her 10th day and final dose in the
morning.

Input?

Sue

 
 
 

is this a hot spot?

Post by Lori » Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:45:47


This probably isn't it, but my Jack had a mange spot on the top of his head
when he was younger.  Vet said it was a more uncommon kind, that a dogs
immune system usually fight off, so sometimes puppies and younger dogs are
more prone to it because their immune system isn't fully developed.  It was
demodectic (sp?) mange.  It started off kind of like you describe, and it
stayed crusty looking, but the spot did get bigger (I thought he'd just
scraped it, until it started growing).  Some cream cleared it right up.  I
haven't dealt with hotspots in a long time (our old dog Pedie used to get
them really bad) but I seem to remember his were usually at least a little
bit oozy.  I would just keep an eye on it, and keep demodectic in mind (they
just have to scrape the area, like a swab, and check the microscope).

~ Lori



My 8 1/2 week old yellow lab has a small semi-circular exzema (sp) ... for
lack of better description...  above the base of the tail.  It is about 3/4
of a ring, smaller than a dime, not red, just a line, not a filled in oozy
thing.   I'm assuming it is a hot spot, however it has not grown. (I haven't
had much experience with hotspots.  That's what my trainer thought last
night when she was out to play with us)   It's just kind of crusty, not red
and puss filled.  It wasn't there when we were at the vet's last week. More
likely, it wasn't and , I hadn't found it yet...She occassionally does try
to chew at it, so it must be somewhat itchy/irritating, but she's not
obsessed with it.  Would there be anything else that it could be besides a
hot spot?  (our vet is on vacation... or I'd ask him <S>)  She is still on
Amoxycillan for her UTI.  Friday is her 10th day and final dose in the
morning.

Input?

Sue

 
 
 

is this a hot spot?

Post by Sue and Angel Jade » Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:46:22


Yuck, sounds gruesome.  Is it contagious?  Will it go away on it's own?  Can
a vet tech give me something? (since my vet is out of town and we'll be gone
next week) or do I need him to look at it?

Sue


Quote:
> This probably isn't it, but my Jack had a mange spot on the top of his
head
> when he was younger.  Vet said it was a more uncommon kind, that a dogs
> immune system usually fight off, so sometimes puppies and younger dogs are
> more prone to it because their immune system isn't fully developed.  It
was
> demodectic (sp?) mange

 
 
 

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Post by Lori » Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:13:45


When Jack had it, it wasn't really that gross, just gray and scabby looking,
and he lost some hair there (about the size of a quarter).  It did look
gross under the microscope though!  The vet tech might can give you a cream
just in case to try it, but I'm sure a vet tech could diagnose it too.  When
my vet let me look under the microscope, you could see the little critters
pretty plain.  Because the vet said that a dog's immune system usually can
handle it, it's possible that it would go away on its own, but if it's in a
spot he can reach, I don't know that I'd chance it (I don't think I'd want
him***ing it!).  I even put a little bitter apple on top of Jack's spot to
keep Sasha from trying to*** at the cream (you know puppies!).  I think it
is somewhat contagious, but as I said, it's not as common, and I don't think
it's as contagious as other forms of mange.  Sasha never picked it up, and
they were with each other 24/7, so you probably have nothing to worry about
there.  I can give you the name of the cream I used if you like (I think
it's still in my cabinet, expired by now).  After using it about 2 or 3
days, we really noticed an improvement, and the skin started healing up.
Poor thing had a bald spot for a few weeks though - took a little bit for
the hair to completely grow back in.  My mom didn't mind the bald spot,
because it helped her tell them apart at the time!

Let me know if that turns out to be what it is, as I really haven't heard
anything about it since Jack had it.  I guess that's how uncommon it really
is!

~ Lori

My kids:  http://www.moonsgarden.com/
My foster kids:  http://www.moonsgarden.com/



Yuck, sounds gruesome.  Is it contagious?  Will it go away on it's own?  Can
a vet tech give me something? (since my vet is out of town and we'll be gone
next week) or do I need him to look at it?

Sue


Quote:
> This probably isn't it, but my Jack had a mange spot on the top of his
head
> when he was younger.  Vet said it was a more uncommon kind, that a dogs
> immune system usually fight off, so sometimes puppies and younger dogs are
> more prone to it because their immune system isn't fully developed.  It
was
> demodectic (sp?) mange

 
 
 

is this a hot spot?

Post by Sue and Angel Jade » Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:18:30


Thanks, I'm going to ask tomorrow.  I found a flea on her tonight :(  and
will see what I can use on a puppy for fleas.  I don't know if 9 weeks and
15 lbs is too soon for flea products.

I am going to run a urine sample in on Friday morning to run after the
antibiotics for the UTI are done, but since my vet is just a 1 min. drive,
I'm going to stop in tomorrow about this. I'll give them a call and see if
they want me to drag her along.
I'd love the name of the cream if you can hunt it up.

Sue


I can give you the name of the cream I used if you like (I think

Quote:
> it's still in my cabinet, expired by now).

 
 
 

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Post by Kim Beverl » Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:31:51


I would have a skin scraping done Sue.  It doesn't sound like a hot spot if
it isn't red and oozy. I've had dogs with mange(outbreak in our area with
wild life getting it and local dogs getting it). Mange usually shows up on
tips of ears and feet first...usually. Now it sound be skin mites...walking
dandruff...does she have any dandre? Puppies are so susceptible to these
external parasites. Could be a flea spot...esp. if you saw fleas. There are
products on the market to bathe pups over 8 weeks with safely...but you will
likely have to also do your home too.:(.
Hope its nothing too major.
Cheers
Kim
 
 
 

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Post by Sue and Angel Jade » Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:41:30


Thanks Kim,
I'll ask today.  It's awfully odd shaped to be a flea spot.  Semi-circular
crusty line.  Besides, she only had *one* flea  <G> ROFLMAO.  Ya, I know,
only 1 that I *saw*..........
As to the dander,  no, I haven't picked up on that... yet.  I'll see what
they can do without the vet actually present.  If they can't help, maybe
I'll call the clinic where we train.  My trainer's husband is a vet there
and 5 of the girls in our therapy group work there.  Maybe he'll see me
under the circumstances.  I hate to let it go another whole week plus due to
vacation.

Sue


Quote:
> I would have a skin scraping done Sue.  It doesn't sound like a hot spot
if
> it isn't red and oozy. I've had dogs with mange(outbreak in our area with
> wild life getting it and local dogs getting it). Mange usually shows up on
> tips of ears and feet first...usually. Now it sound be skin
mites...walking
> dandruff...does she have any dandre? Puppies are so susceptible to these
> external parasites. Could be a flea spot...esp. if you saw fleas. There
are
> products on the market to bathe pups over 8 weeks with safely...but you
will
> likely have to also do your home too.:(.
> Hope its nothing too major.
> Cheers
> Kim

 
 
 

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Post by Lori » Sat, 14 Jul 2001 00:19:49


Found the cream, and it is expired.
It has "Goodwinol Ointment" on it.  For the treatment of Demodectic Mange
(Follicular Mange, Red Mange) of dogs.  Apply every 24 hours until absorbed.
Exercise care in treatment to avoid getting into eyes.  Demodectic Mange is
difficult to diagnose and often requires prolonged treatment.  A
Veterinarian should be consulted if no improvement is noted within 10 days.

Even though it says it's difficult to diagnose, my vet seemed to have no
problem diagnosing it.  Maybe they say it's difficult in that it's not
recognized right away that it might be mange.  The other type of mange, more
common, I believe was called sarcoptic mange.

The Frontline that I use, used to say puppies 10 wks and older, but now
they've changed it to 8 wks and older.  I got Jack and Sasha when they were
around 10 wks, but it was November, so I didn't have to worry about flea
products right away (even though we have fleas and ticks year round in this
area).  The following spring I started them on Frontline, mostly for the
ticks, and they haven't had a problem since.  Except for the time I switched
to one of the other brands, that I found out wasn't water proof like
Frontline.  Needless to say I quickly went back to Frontline.

~ Lori

My kids:  http://www.geocities.com/lorismith_74/jackandsasha.html
My foster kids:  http://www.geocities.com/lorismith_74/fosterpups.html



Thanks, I'm going to ask tomorrow.  I found a flea on her tonight :(  and
will see what I can use on a puppy for fleas.  I don't know if 9 weeks and
15 lbs is too soon for flea products.

I am going to run a urine sample in on Friday morning to run after the
antibiotics for the UTI are done, but since my vet is just a 1 min. drive,
I'm going to stop in tomorrow about this. I'll give them a call and see if
they want me to drag her along.
I'd love the name of the cream if you can hunt it up.

Sue


I can give you the name of the cream I used if you like (I think

Quote:
> it's still in my cabinet, expired by now).

 
 
 

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Post by Borzoi Momm » Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:40:48


Demodectic mange is totally different from sarcoptic mange.  The way my vet
explained it is that all dogs encounter the mite that is responsible for
demodectic mange but a properly functioning immune system fights the mites.
(that sounds cute)  If a dog is immune compromised for some reason then they
can develop demodectic mange.  A *** with demodectic mange can pass it on
to her puppies.  Some dogs only wind up with spots on a few areas of the
body but some dogs develop generalized demodectic mange (all over the body).
I had such a dog and it was awful.  You can check out these links to get
further info on demodectic mange.

Borzoi Mommy
http://www.moonsgarden.com/
http://www.moonsgarden.com/
http://www.moonsgarden.com/
http://www.moonsgarden.com/
http://www.moonsgarden.com/

--
If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then you probably
haven't completely understood the situation.



Quote:
> Yuck, sounds gruesome.  Is it contagious?  Will it go away on it's own?
Can
> a vet tech give me something? (since my vet is out of town and we'll be
gone
> next week) or do I need him to look at it?

> Sue



> > This probably isn't it, but my Jack had a mange spot on the top of his
> head
> > when he was younger.  Vet said it was a more uncommon kind, that a dogs
> > immune system usually fight off, so sometimes puppies and younger dogs
are
> > more prone to it because their immune system isn't fully developed.  It
> was
> > demodectic (sp?) mange

 
 
 

is this a hot spot?

Post by Sue and Angel Jade » Sat, 14 Jul 2001 08:28:13


Thanks to everyone for the info.  Since my vet is out of town, I took her to
another one, who he had made arrangements with.  He did a skin scraping and
found no bugs....  good news <S>  He thinks it is a reaction to flea bites
that she has chewed on and irritated.  I see that Advantage now says 8
weeks.  So, she got her first dose today.  He also gave me a cream to help
with the itching and healing.  Had we not been heading to the lake tomorrow,
I would have waited til Monday to see him.  I'm glad I didn't.  Maybe it
will clear up faster.

Sue, Atty, and Angel Jadee