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> Howdy All,
> Prey drive. And the ability of the dog to find its way back after a
> couple mile course.
> Frank X. Morris http://www.moonsgarden.com/
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defenseless bunnys for his own ***IC pleasure
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Date: 21 Jan 2006 18:34:10 -0800
Subject: Chasing squirrels
I have not posted to the group for awhile but want
to share my success of teaching my dog Sunshine, who
has a very high prey drive, to not go after squirrels
when on a walk. It took a few trials but he can now
walk right past squirrels running up a tree or in a yard.
Using Jerry Howe's approach I used a sound to get his attention when he saw
a squirrel and then praised him
and kept on walking past the squirrel. Where we live
in Michigan we lots of squirrels and he was always
wanting to chase them up a tree.
Jerry's approach of sound and praise really works.
I think the people who discount his methods have never tried the method
because it works everytine. Sometimes
it takes a little practice to get the sound from different directions but I
was able to change Sunshine's behavior
in just a week after we moved back to Michigan.
Sunshine is a very sensitive dog so any physical
corrections just won't work but using sound and
praise he is a really great dog who opens doors,
picks up things I drop, and and helps me a lot.
If you have a behavior problem with your dog get
a copy of Jerrry's manual and solve your problem!
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Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
Daylight Time
Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.
My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I used
this system on four different occasions.
When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.
Amazing, just amazing.
I will write to Amanda about the video.
I am really e***d to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.
Thanks again
Paul
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> Quoth Handsome Jack Morrison
> 2004 2:15:55 GMT,
>
> What's the difference between making, say, a
> hard-charging field-bred retriever (say an
> equally independent Chessie) "reliably do
> something that is completely contrary to its
> wiring," e.g.,
<SNIP>
Couple of years ago by now, a woman with fox
terriers wrote about training a recall on the
clicktrain list. She had used a long line and
proofed for distractions per Koehler; yet the
dog knew when he was on a line and when not,
and would ignore her when there were squirrels
to chase.
She had used an e-collar under the direction of a
professional, who said he had never met a dog who
could tell whether he was wearing the real thing
or the dummy collar, as her dog seemed able to.
Heck, they're terriers. Chasing squirrels or
other irresistable prey, they'll scramble
through thorny bushes, tumble down rocky hills,
and the prey could always bite back (though I'm
thinking more of badger dogs -- the Cairn
Terrier, the West Highland White Terrier, and
the hunting Dachshund -- badgers are reputed
to be pretty tough critters). And none of
that diminishes the fun.
What's a few scratches and lumps and bruises?
And what are corrections from a long line or
an e-collar in the face of such delightful
temptation?
What did work for her, at last, was chasing
squirrels with the dog. I believe she used a
harness with a long line and a snapback, not
to correct the dog, but to ensure that during
training he simply wasn't able to enjoyably
chase squirrels without her cooperation.
Each time he focused on her rather than a
nearby squirrel, the reward was that they
chased the squirrel together.
The fact that his best friend and fellow squirrel
chaser was a bit clumsly and let the squirrels
get away didn't bother him... apparently the
chase was the best part.
Once he got the picture (not long at all) the
dog took to running over and stepping on her
foot when there was chasable prey about...
which pretty much took care of the squirrel
chasing problem, as she was then able to pick
him up and/or reward him with a joint chase
when appropriate and not too embarassing.
A good while after this training success, she
found that he would run and touch her foot to
alert her to prey *she* hadn't seen yet. Which
gave her time to pick him up the time he saw
the chicken first...
There are limits, obviously. You can't chase deer
with your dog; ain't proper and the game warden's
not gonna be happy with it.
However, I think there's a lesson here for all
trainers, about the dog knowing what's reinforcing
and what's not (treats ranking lower than
squirrels for this dog) and about modifying
"drives," setting rules and limits rather than
trying to "put a stop to it" entirely.
So the retriever gets to chase and retrieve
birds, the scent hound gets to use his nose,
the terrier gets to chase the prey, the
greyhound gets to lure course (or, squeamish
though I personally might be about it, open-
field course)... on the handler's terms.
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*(For the record, elizabeth AIN'T WON of The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual
Students, she's a regular member of HOWER Gang Of
Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and Active Acute
Chronic Life-Long INCURABLE MENTAL CASES.
Her pal who reported EXXXTINGUISHING the squirrel
chasing was using LeeCharlesKelley's METHOD of
"TRAINING IN DRIVE")
IOW, could be he's "throwin you the finger".
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