> > Right. That's why you shock them in advance.
> Most of what you write is bunk.
> you made it up from.
It's in your discussion of shock collar training with Lisa B.
Follow this to watch a "dog trainer" confuse and abuse a dog and then
boil it down to shocking the dog IN ADVANCE to motivate him... kinda
like HOWE she beats a restrained dog with a stick "to make him really
dig out," (as opposed to "dig in," which proves me a liar...)
like fence jumping or barking or digging holes or eating poo, just
like it says in your koehler book. BB's are good too, so your book
> splash in the water ahead of the dog, to help him understand that
> there's something ahead of him to retrieve?
her up outta the water and beat her for a while? That's what you do on
land, as articulated in your own words about Pudge being so soft
she'd avoid being beaten with a riding crop even when tied and
knowing she can't escape it. Correct? Or am I making up your own
published words again?
HOWE COME you've got to beat and shock your dogs to make them
reliable hunting partners. It's INSTINCTIVE in dogs, with the
Retriever Dog getting the capital R in front of his name Retrieve for
obvious reasons, and you can't even bring that out in a dog without
Read on and correct me, if you've got the nerve. We'll see:
About dahls "Forced Fetch Without The E Collar" article:
> > forthright with you, I had no response because I am not
> > experienced with retriever training. I didn't think it would be
> > right to attempt to pick apart your post as I have no knowledge
> > about the situation you described.
> it apart."
determine if they're going to be suitable for a particular task.
You'll notice in the "concerns about the Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual" thread nobody bothered to discuss the techniques...
Seems the only issue they took was a couple seplling and grammer
dogs' responses, and we figger it out to see if we got it right or
not. Sometimes I spend a couple days just thinking out scenarios to
set a dog up in to get a behavior trained.
> out the infrequency of collar use,
you left out half the training. I'm surprised you mention it now, makes
think you didn't think we was paying attention. That makes me think
there's something fishy going on again, eh dahl?. Let's face it, you do
have a *** record of lying.
planning in your post if you look at it from the perspective of a
competent trainer. I'll repost "swiss cheese training" below for
> the response to the collar is as desired.
trained properly you wouldn't NEED to hurt him no matter HOWE little
you claim you HURT the dog.
he'd broke his command, refused several subsequent commands,
and then FINALLY comes to command and sits facing you waiting
for instructions...THEN YOU BURN HIM?
That's absurd. The whole scenario you proposed was bunk.
> to make the dog behave out of fear,
down and thrown a dummy for him to retrieve that he can't get to;
It's intended to motivate the dog and demonstrate teamwork, pack
cohesiveness, and cooperation. The dog learns to respect the Thug
wielding the switch and shows his eagerness to work by jumping
e***dly when shown the switch and chain.
device. Dogs don't shock each other to communicate. And they don't
slap each other. And hitting dogs is not clear communication despite
what steve boyer says. And chin cuff DOES mean slap the damned
dog. And nick? I don't know what nick means. I know what shock
what the dog thinks? You HURT dogs to train them. Chin cuff don't
mean slap the dog according to your pal professora gingold. You
pinch but don't twist ears, and you never mentioned twisting toes or
the toe hitch.
> things you did wrong with your Dal?
salesman. If you was such a hot shot trainer you wouldn't NEED to
hurt dogs to train them.
her dogs in just a few days using my FREE Wits' End Dog Training
Method manual without hurting nobody.
> > Thanks for your reply... it is informative but not quite what I
> > was seeking.
pun intended) from anyone's experience, familiarity, and ability to
discuss as a training problem, that she's confounded all but the
"experts" who are into "advanced" training...cindy mooron, dogman,
all our koehler fans.
That's why I came in here, because our "experts" have a long history
of confounding the issues to make competent trainers seem
unknowledgeable, in order to protect their alleged right to hurt
dogs to train them.
> > using an e collar.
answer the questions if you'd like.
> > which you used an e collar?
trained by an expert trainer and the introduction of the e collar
done in the proscribed manner to insure reliability.
dog to train them.
> > accomplished in one specific example.
too complicated for our scientists and engineers here to detail in
writing. It requires in person teaching at the heel of a master
trainer who train dogs to the highest degree of expertise, and then
shocks the dog for not performing it's allegedly properly trained
and conditioned commands.
> like going over a point of land and continuing in the water.
> be at all versatile in doing blind retrieves
right. I always look at my hand to be sure. I line the thumbs up
with the big toe, and cipher from there, which one is left or right.
same right as the dog knows, or I'd really***him up when I
to train them, we sometimes get it wrong and louse the dog up.
> lines and directions, a dog is contending with aspects of terrain
> and landscape and needs to learn how to negotiate a variety of
> those in order to understand the directions a person may give him.
terrain if the dog is taught to go out straight, and turn left or
right "righty tighty lefty loosy." That's another trick I use to
know my lefts' from rights'.
> pass an area of irregular shoreline and needs to know how not
> to get hung up there.
send out. He wouldn't even have to check his dewclaws, just keep his
***to your face.
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