Adventures in Proofing Pt 2

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Adventures in Proofing Pt 2

Post by <DelusionalDimensionsRecovery.. » Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:07:37



HOWEDY tommy sorenson aka not so handsome,
not so happy, not so gentle, not so manly, jackass,
not even jack morrison aka joey finnochiarrio aka
howie lipshitz aka BIG DADDY aka DOGMAN,
a.k.a. ***MAN, you pathetic miserable stinkin
anonymHOWES malignant maliciHOWES lyin dog
child an spHOWES abusing punk thug coward active
accute chronic life long incurable mental case and
paranoid homophobe, misogynist, puppy miller and
shock collar salesman,



Quote:


>>Now here's a question for all.  At what age did your dogs develop
>>a rock-solid (or even pretty solid) recall, or response to other
>>commands, especially in the face of distraction, and how much
>>effort did you put into developing that?

ANY command can be installed as a Pavlovian COnditional
REFLEX in just a couple of minutes if you know HOWE.

Quote:
> Please, allow me to "bloviate" a bit more.

Oh? You want to talk trainin, tommy?:


Subject: Re: Koehler's Usefulness--A Concluding Assessment

This, from a yellow-bellied coward who has TOTALLY refused
to engage me in debate, preferring mudslinging, hyperbole, distortion,
lies, exaggeration, and to take Koehler completely out of context,
instead.

What lying hypocrites these hand-wringers are!

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               BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

Quote:
> First, rock-solid recalls (and the immediate and correct response
> to commands) are directly related to how much time and effort a
> dog's owner is willing to devote to training, including training
> with distractions. And how often everything is reinforced.

THAT'S ABSURD, tommy.

Dogs CAN learn to come to their names nearly instantly simply
by DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE
of HOWE you prefer, tommy.

My method teaches the owner HOWE to install the come
command as a 100% CONSISTENTLY RELIABLE
Pavlovian conditional reflex in just a couple of minutes.

                        LIKE THIS:

Quote:

>  Well I am happy to reply that so far after 10
>  minutes of work and the cans from mr Howes guide,

 You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
 Wits'  End Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >

Quote:
>  I have instilled the "come" command to Riley.

Good. You mean INSTALLED the come command
as a conditional reflex. Be SHORE to perform the
EXXXORCISES four times in each of four locations.

Quote:
>  He is an extremley smart dog, I have never had
>  to go to the third or fourth try.

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                         SEE?

                 AND LIKE THIS:

To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like
A Miracle - WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!

Sunshine is still acting like a new dog!  Saw a dog
today and "good boy-" worked along with calling him-
came the first time every time. Not even a sound out
of him.  Think it is hard for him but he never even
seemed to think about going off-reacting.  I would
love to write a testimonial but can not seem to find
the site--please send the address--

        The name of the method was right I was at my Wits
        End. I had been working for 18 months!

        Using the can sound three time he came, and still
        comes from anywhere with the command-
        "comegoodboy" Next I tried the can when walking
        him--when he saw a dog three blocks away he went
        off-lunging and snapping-I used the can sound and
        he looked at me like uhn?

        I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
        -the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
        looked at me like why are shaking that can but just
        walked on by.

        When ever I try to explain about the sound people
        look at me like "you must be out of your mind"

        The results can make a believer!!!

        Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
        Manual program I walked him without the gentle
        leader in a busy shopping area with many dogs.

        He just seemed to not notice any one.

        When people talked to him or ask his name he would
        look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.

        I still can not believe the change in him-
        -we can now enjoy life out in public.

        If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
        was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
        Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
        toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.

       The word come has no affect on him just the phrase-
       -Sunshine come goodboy.

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                         SEE?

                 AND LIKE THIS:

Hi, Jerry.

I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
different spots Darwin practically *threw* the ***
ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
(just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
want to push and test me a little bit more).

For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
(Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
tho').

Best, ben

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Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:52:30 -0500
Re: Puppy Wizard's Website

Hi Buzzsaw

Not a Thing to lose ...But a Lot To Gain!!

I can only speak from my experience.. I have a 8 month
old miniature poodle, and although I had done some basic
training with him we had a few barking issues  ..ugh

I am happy to tell you, I contacted Jerry at the email
addy I posted and he was so great! I wasn't following
the technique precisely but he helped me get back on track.

Beau is doing sooooo well it is really a thrill working
with him, and seeing the remarkable changes.

Now I can ask for "recall" (come) both on and off lead
and it is immediate!

the first time I ask.

Best of Luck to you,

Remember if you need help or explanation contact Jerry ..
he will be more than happy to help anyway he can.

Cheers
Barb

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 Hey, Mr. Wizard, or Alchemist or whatever your alias
 of the day is, have to say that our dog heels much
 better than she did. This is after reading and
 implementing the bit in your "Wits End" treatise.

 And she's a royal nutter (but then again, aren't they all?).
 Cheers! Greg--

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                       SEE?

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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
Hello.

I never posted here (or anywhere) before. I
never trained or owned a dog before this year.

I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.

Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.

I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.

I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.

A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.

We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he isvery eager to accept our love.

So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.

His method worked for us.

I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.

Florence

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Quote:
> Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.

Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
 I took a rescued three year old beagle that
 had been kept outside all of its life that didn't
 even recognize or respond to its name to
 Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack???
 get real) and in just over one hour of working
 with the dog, he was coming on command
 (not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and
 walking with us on a loose lead.

His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called"
 command and pack exercise WORK!

Quote:
> and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog.

Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.

You don't have to like him. You don't have
to agree with his methods, but as far as I
 am concerned, I've never seen any other
 training approach that was as fast and easy.

 <<<< Rest of original post deleted >>>>

 Ron Flanagan
 Orlando, Florida

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RTFM is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The
F***ing Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works very good!

But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on A4-size
paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching him something
new takes about 30minutes  (depending on what to teach
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Adventures in Proofing Pt 2

Post by <DelusionalDimensionsRecovery.. » Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:42:51



Quote:

>> First, rock-solid recalls (and the immediate and correct response to
>> commands) are directly related to how much time and effort a dog's
>> owner is willing to devote to training, including training with
>> distractions.

That's ABSURD and it's FALSE.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:56:16 GMT

Subject: Thinking Dogs

Using a proper training method, a method consonant with a dog's
 nature, it is possible to enhance a dog's ability to think. If their
thinking faculty is not exercised and developed then dogs have a
tendency to bounce around, like a billiard ball, from one stimulus
 to another.

But when a dog's thinking faculty is exercised and developed then
they enjoy using that faculty more and more. They begin to feel pride
 in their accomplishments-you can observe their delight in the way
 that they love to show off what they have learned.

As their thinking faculty develops you will begin to see them
improvise more and more, i.e., applying what they have learned
 to new situations. Operant conditioning (clicker training) does
not exercise a dog's ability to think-it conditions a reflex like
reaction at the nervous system level.

 If you desire to train a thinking dog, please read the Puppy Wizard's
 Wits' End Training Method-it caters to the nature of our thinking dogs.

--Larry

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   The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.

The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.

It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.

Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.

One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.

When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.

You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).

Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.

What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.

At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.

Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.

Is Jerry a nut?

It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.

More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.

I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?

Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.

Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.

Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.

Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).

--Larry

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Quote:
> And how often everything is reinforced.

That's ABSURD and it's FALSE:

"REINFORCEMENT NEVER ENDS," FRAUDreck hassen.

Quote:
>> And second, how effective the training techniques employed are.

tommy knows all abHOWET "effective training techniques".


Subject: Re: Koehler's Usefulness--A Concluding Assessment

This, from a yellow-bellied coward who has TOTALLY refused
to engage me in debate, preferring mudslinging, hyperbole, distortion,
lies, exaggeration, and to take Koehler completely out of context,
instead.

What lying hypocrites these hand-wringers are!

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               BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

Quote:
> What techniques do you use?

tommy likes to jerk ***shock an beat dogs to train them.

Quote:
>> It's really not a matter of the dog's age.

Of curse not.

Quote:
> To some extent it must be, no?

No, not at all.

Quote:
>  Do you expect a rock solid recall (with the best of techniques) in a 3
> month old dog?

Only if you didn't get the dog until 3 months of age. OtheWIZE,
you can train ANY age dog to a 100% reliable come command
in just a few minutes simply by DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY
PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE tommy and his lyin dog ***in
punk thug coward mental case pals PREFER.

Quote:
> What's the youngest age a dog you've trained
> has achieved a rock-solid recall?

That's IRELEVENT on accHOWENTA when they turn 8
months old they go through their "adolescent rebelliHOWES
stage" and won't do NUTHIN they been FORCED to do as pups.

Quote:
> And at what age did you begin the training?

tommy can't start REAL trainin till the dog is old enough to
withstand jerking and *** on leash, maybe at four months,
preferably at six months of age.

Quote:
>> And the amount of effort only matters if the technique being used is any
>> good at achieving rock-solid recalls and immediate responses to commands.

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

Quote:
> FurPaw

BlueMoon Wrote:

Hello MOCrab.

Well, I'd take your advice and go thru the killfile as you have
recommended below, but Jerry's system Is WORKING wonders
with these two puppies in a matter of days. He may be abusive
and short-tempered with some people out there because, quite
frankly, I think he cares more about the dogs that the owner's
feelings and feels so strongly about it, it's aggravating to have
"experts" discount his methods.

My husband just got back from taking these 15 week old pups
for a walk, who now respond remarkably well to the "Zena-Zoey-
sit-good-girl!" phrase now when only said once no matter where
they are.

They also  respond to the come here command. We trained them
(granted, out of order of the instructions) with the pennies in the
cans only two days ago to come to us when called. I've since
backtracked to do the exercises in the proper order.

They are calm and well-behaved and impress the Hell out of anyone
who sees them. "You're kidding, they're only 14 weeks old and they
are THAT well behaved?" Yessiree Bob, they are, and we've only
had them for 12 days and have been training them (correctly for 3
days.

 We still have more training exercises to do, but why fix something
if it's not broken??>?? These dogs are happy, we don't have to yell
at or scold them, they are learning to be secure and to pay attention
to us for approval and not out of fear.

I can only assume some might be threatened by this manual's methods
because it goes against all human logic on how to train a dog. It
certainly didn't make any sense to me, but I thought what the heck,
try it (even tho I still have to remind myself what to do because
my previous limited experiences with dog training were SO
DIFFERENT to the point that I almost felt like I needed to take
my brain out of my head and put it back in backwards!!!.....).....

BUT THE SYSTEM WORKS!!!

How in the world could someone just "make
something up" and it WORK?>??>?

My husband was very doubtful about this method when I told him I
wanted to try this. His dad was a vet, and certainly didn't use these
methods with the parade of dogs they had as kids. But now even HE
has to admit we're doing something right here, as our stress and
frustration levels have lowered and EVERYONE is much happier
around here, especially the dogs!

I really don't think people are used to the notion that you can train
a dog and it NOT be stressful or difficult.

It's easy IF you do it just like the manual says. It might ...

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Adventures in Proofing Pt 2

Post by <DelusionalDimensionsRecovery.. » Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:24:12


HOWEDY tommy sorenson aka not so handsome,
not so happy, not so gentle, not so manly, jackass,
not even jack morrison aka joey finnochiarrio aka
howie lipshitz aka BIG DADDY aka DOGMAN,
a.k.a. ***MAN, you pathetic miserable stinkin
anonymHOWES malignant maliciHOWES lyin dog
child an spHOWES abusing punk thug coward active
accute chronic life long incurable mental case and
paranoid homophobe, misogynist, puppy miller and
shock collar salesman,



Quote:



>>> First, rock-solid recalls (and the immediate and correct response
>>> to commands) are directly related to how much time and effort a
>>> dog's owner is willing to devote to training,

You mean, you CAN'T TRAIN ANY behavior NEARLY INSTANTLY?

Quote:
>>> including training with distractions.

Training *WITH* distractions facillitates learning, tommy.
PERHAPS THAT'S HOWE COME your "training" depends
on HOWE MUCH TIME you invest in jerking *** and
shocking dogs, eh, tommy??

Quote:
>>> And how often everything is reinforced.

You FORCE behaviors and then you have to
RE INFORCE them ad nauseum, tommy.

Quote:
>>> And second, how effective the training techniques employed are.

Oh, you mean OPERANT and CLASSICAL CONDITIONING, tommy?

Quote:
>>What techniques do you use?

          tommy sez:
         At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
         dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
         *not* constitute a "beating."

And then he sez:

"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and shin.  Yep, really lean into it.

 Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
 make her think twice about rushing past you again -
 - which is exactly what you want her to do.

Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.

If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.

When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and nudge her with your knee.  Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."

I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training.  That is, she just
needs *more* of it."

You mean like HOWE when you HOWEsbreak a dog an
you beat IT with a switch or heavy man's leather belt and
 tie him next to his evil deed and return to BEAT HIM every
twenty minutes, tommy?

   tommy SEZ:
 "My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
 And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
 to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
 I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.

 A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.

 Okay.  Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
 if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
 When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
 have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
 really matters.  Saving lives and making dogs become
 good citizens"

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Quote:
> I'm a traditional trainer (training collar and leash),

"And second, how effective the training techniques employed are."


 Subject: Re: Koehler's Usefulness--A Concluding Assessment

This, from a yellow-bellied coward who has TOTALLY refused
 to engage me in debate, preferring mudslinging, hyperbole, distortion,
 lies, exaggeration, and to take Koehler completely out of context,
 instead.

 What lying hypocrites these hand-wringers are!

The most consistent argument among Koehler's defenders is based
 on a questionable assumption that such "drastic" measures are
effective in "extreme" cases where other methods fail.

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Quote:
> and I use the e-collar, too.

If your effective training methods WORKED you
WOULDN'T NEED a SHOCK COLLAR, would
you, tommy?

Quote:
> In other words, I'm a "dog-abusing thug".

No, tommy, you're a pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
anonymHOWES dog abusin COWARD. I'm a THUG, tommy,
for PICKIN ON YOU pathetic lyin dog abusin cowards.

Quote:
>>> It's really not a matter of the dog's age.

Of curse not.

Quote:
>>To some extent it must be, no?

NOT AT ALL.

Quote:
> A dog as young as a few months can have a reasonably reliable recall.

Any dog that's three weeks of age got all the brains IT needs to
HOWEtwit the cunning of any professional dog abusin coward
or university trained behaviorist.

Quote:
>> Do you expect a rock solid recall (with the best
>> of techniques) in a 3 month old dog?

Of curse.

Quote:
> Rock-solid, no.  Strong, yes.

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

Quote:
>>What's the youngest age a dog you've trained has
>> achieved a rock-solid recall?
> 6 months.

Well tommy, THAT'S on accHOWENTA you don't beat
shock an ***your dogs till they're six months.

Quote:
>>And at what age did you begin the training?

> Formal training starts at 7 weeks.  Informal
> training starts even earlier than that

Ahhh, you mean, LIKE THIS:

tommy *(who AIN'T tommy sorensen) sez:
"IMO, the *fastest* way to curb a mouthy puppy's
desire to bite hands (especially if other methods
have failed, because you don't want this habit to
become reinforced by too much success), etc., is
to take  advantage of the pup's***reflex:

Slowly reach over and around the pup's shoulder
(while you're sitting  on the floor), coming up to
the pup's mouth from underneath it with  your
right hand (that way he can't see your finger or
your hand), and  stick your index finger into the
pup's mouth, at the very rear, then  down the
pup's throat, and gently place some downward
pressure on the  back of the tongue, until he starts
to gag. Use your left arm to hold  him close to you,
while you're doing this.

Trust me, it's easier to  demonstrate this technique
 than to explain it, but it's fail-proof.

 He'll quickly put 2 and 2 together.  Biting hands = gag.
 --
 Handsome Jack Morrison

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Quote:
> Most dog owners make it much more difficult than it has to be.

That so, tommy? You mean, LIKE THIS?:


Subject: Re: Crate Anxiety
Date: 2002-04-04 12:56:23 PST

Try Jerry Howe's training manual and check out his Doggy
Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A***atoo
Or Two Did Too) machine....it is for this.

Please do not listen to the others in here that don't like
him or his methods, they have never tried them....I  have
and it works!!!!

I broke my dog from nipping almost 100% in 1 day and
she usually does this SEVERAL times a day and actually
makes my kids bleed!

Try it or contact him!  The manual is at
the above website also, and it is free!

Becky

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 Hi !
 Our black lab girl is 3 months old (she
 will be 4 months on the 30th).

When we first brought her home she had
 a bad habit of trying to nip our faces (including
 my 3 year old twins) during playtime.  It drove
everyone in the house nuts and it brought my
 little girls to tears as you can imagine.

We tried saying no, and that would just get
 her even more e***d, so we would yell no
 and that would just get her "scared" but still
 e***d.  In short it just wasn't working.

 So we finally did what Jerry has suggested
 to you. We used a sound do distract her and
 we would immediately praise her.

 I have to say that it worked great.  BUT she
 then moved on to nipping at the feet LOL silly
 little thing.

So again, we tried no, and then louder no,
 but again it didn't work so we went for the
 distraction and praise.

 I must say that she is doing great!

I hope that helps.
 Edyta aka Ned

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> They do silly things like chase after their puppy, they pick
> him up and take him inside when he comes, they repeat
> commands ad nauseam, etc.

And they jerk ***shock bribe crate an surgically ***ly
mutilate them to boot, don't they, tommy <{}: ~ ( >

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> It's the most important command that a dog will ever learn, it's
> relatively easy to teach, yet few dogs will ever have a rock-solid
> recall.

You mean, at least not till they're six months old, tommy?

Here's tommy soronsen aka lyindogDUMMY BEATIN
 a dog to HOWEsbreak IT to SAVE IT'S LIFE:

"Handsome Jack Morrison"

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:52:18 -0400, "Krishur"

Good books huh?

Absolutely. Some are, in fact, classics.

Which idea was your favorite, the one where they
tell you to alpha roll a "***" dog,

There's nothing inherently wrong with rolling a dog
(i.e., it *can* and *does* work in *some* situations).
Unfortunately, most people either do it incorrectly, do
it at the wrong time, etc.

or where they tell you that you didn't hit him hard
enough if he doesn't yelp or approaches you within
5 minutes of his punishment?

If physical discipline is deemed necessary (after careful
evaluation), it's much more cruel not to get it over with
quickly than it is to do it incrementally and half-
heartedly, which usually only invites the need for even
more discipline.

Maybe you liked when they recommend these
beatings for housebreaking accidents, chewing /
destructive behavior, stealing, trying to get on
your bed at night and dog on dog aggression.

At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating
a dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin
does *not* constitute a "beating."

I'm sorry if you don't agree.

And each of those behavior "problems" needs
to be looked at in its proper context.

A quote from the Monks:

"We repeat, these situations may merit physical
discipline. Since ...

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