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Dead Dogs Walking -- They need your help

Post by Salvo Warishia » Sat, 01 Feb 1997 04:00:00



Jessie and Chase need help!  Read the following story and call the Oregon governor's
office.

*********************************************

    SALEM, Ore. (Jan. 31) - Jessie and Chase are howlin' the blues on doggie death row,
doing hard time for the one canine capital offense in the state: chasing livestock.

    The evidence against Jessie, a 7-year-old golden retriever, and Chase, an
appropriately named 9-month-old beagle, was overwhelming:
They still had sheep's wool in their mouths when authorities hauled them in earlier this
month.

    Under Oregon law, a dog can injure a human and get off with its paw slapped, but
killing or even pursuing livestock calls for a swift execution.

    The sentence has angered dog lovers, especially after the dogs' adorable mugs graced
newspapers across the state last week.

    The governor's office received about 100 calls a day last week, more than double the
number protesting the execution of ***er Douglas Franklin Wright last fall.

    ''It shouldn't be black and white. It seems like humans have one set of laws and, in
this instance, a different one for pets,'' said Sharon Parr, a Bend resident who
believes the law is too strict even though she owns some prime targets - 30 llamas that
cost about $10,000 each.

    Many farmers and ranchers, however, are outraged at the show of sympathy, saying
folks would be alarmed if they saw ripped-up bodies of livestock that fall victim to
marauding dogs.

    ''Once dogs start to chase, they never learn not to,'' said Pete Test of the Oregon
Farm Bureau.

    Owner Lynn Stone said Jessie and Chase got worked up when a stray dog jumped her
fence and attacked them Jan. 5. Ms. Stone threw open her back gate, and all three
high-tailed it out.

    Jessie and Chase found their way into a rancher's field, and started nipping at
sheep. Even though they did no serious harm, a citizens' committee sentenced the dogs to
die.

    They were awaiting lethal injection when Ms. Stone retained a lawyer and won a
temporary stay. The 11th-hour call came from Linda Swearingen, a dog-friendly county
commissioner.

    ''I figured common sense should rule in this,'' Ms. Swearingen said. ''These dogs
need to live long enough to see what the Legislature is going to do.''

    It was not immediately clear when another execution date would be set.

    In the meantime, state Sen. Neil Bryant is drafting a bill that would give the law
some flexibility.

    ''I'm sure that will be hotly contested, with the Farm Bureau on one side and pet
owners on the other,'' said Gov. John Kitzhaber, who can't pardon the dogs because his
powers of clemency extend only to humans.

    Ms. Stone says the dogs aren't responding well to jail. Chase had a seizure last
week and is on medication.

    And Ms. Stone's 8-year-old daughter Kayla has had nightmares about her dogs' fate.

    Kayla, who spent her recent birthday without Chase, a gift from last summer, wants
to be compensated on Valentine's Day. What's on her wish list?

    ''My doggies,'' she said.

 
 
 

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Post by bkyv.. » Sun, 02 Feb 1997 04:00:00


  For humans, we have  "three strikes and your out."  Why in the
world can't we have the decency to give the same leniency to animals,
especially childrens pets.
Becky

 
 
 

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Post by Nancy E. Holme » Sun, 02 Feb 1997 04:00:00


A little more info here - this is the second time the dogs were loose.
The sheep were pregnant and aborted their lambs from the trauma of the
chase session. The owners had been warned by their dog's previous
escape but still did not properly confine them. I am sorry the dogs had
stupid owners but returning them to the owners will certainly
jeopardise the sheep's lives! I think this is a typical situation in
which the animals die for lack of a responsible owner.
Nancy


Quote:

>Jessie and Chase need help!  Read the following story and call the
Oregon governor's
>office.

>*********************************************

>    SALEM, Ore. (Jan. 31) - Jessie and Chase are howlin' the blues on
doggie death row,
>doing hard time for the one canine capital offense in the state:
chasing livestock.

>    The evidence against Jessie, a 7-year-old golden retriever, and
Chase, an
>appropriately named 9-month-old beagle, was overwhelming:
>They still had sheep's wool in their mouths when authorities hauled

them in earlier this
Quote:
>month.

>    Under Oregon law, a dog can injure a human and get off with its
paw slapped, but
>killing or even pursuing livestock calls for a swift execution.

>    The sentence has angered dog lovers, especially after the dogs'

adorable mugs graced
Quote:
>newspapers across the state last week.

>    The governor's office received about 100 calls a day last week,

more than double the
Quote:
>number protesting the execution of ***er Douglas Franklin Wright
last fall.

>    ''It shouldn't be black and white. It seems like humans have one

set of laws and, in

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>this instance, a different one for pets,'' said Sharon Parr, a Bend
resident who
>believes the law is too strict even though she owns some prime targets
- 30 llamas that
>cost about $10,000 each.

>    Many farmers and ranchers, however, are outraged at the show of
sympathy, saying
>folks would be alarmed if they saw ripped-up bodies of livestock that
fall victim to
>marauding dogs.

>    ''Once dogs start to chase, they never learn not to,'' said Pete
Test of the Oregon
>Farm Bureau.

>    Owner Lynn Stone said Jessie and Chase got worked up when a stray
dog jumped her
>fence and attacked them Jan. 5. Ms. Stone threw open her back gate,
and all three
>high-tailed it out.

>    Jessie and Chase found their way into a rancher's field, and
started nipping at
>sheep. Even though they did no serious harm, a citizens' committee

sentenced the dogs to
Quote:
>die.

>    They were awaiting lethal injection when Ms. Stone retained a
lawyer and won a
>temporary stay. The 11th-hour call came from Linda Swearingen, a

dog-friendly county

- Show quoted text -

Quote:
>commissioner.

>    ''I figured common sense should rule in this,'' Ms. Swearingen
said. ''These dogs
>need to live long enough to see what the Legislature is going to do.''

>    It was not immediately clear when another execution date would be
set.

>    In the meantime, state Sen. Neil Bryant is drafting a bill that
would give the law
>some flexibility.

>    ''I'm sure that will be hotly contested, with the Farm Bureau on
one side and pet
>owners on the other,'' said Gov. John Kitzhaber, who can't pardon the
dogs because his
>powers of clemency extend only to humans.

>    Ms. Stone says the dogs aren't responding well to jail. Chase had
a seizure last
>week and is on medication.

>    And Ms. Stone's 8-year-old daughter Kayla has had nightmares about
her dogs' fate.

>    Kayla, who spent her recent birthday without Chase, a gift from
last summer, wants
>to be compensated on Valentine's Day. What's on her wish list?

>    ''My doggies,'' she said.

 
 
 

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Post by kreid.. » Mon, 03 Feb 1997 04:00:00



   >will certainly jeopardise the sheep's lives! I think this is a
   >typical situation in which the animals die for lack of a
   >responsible owner. Nancy

     Nancy,
          Yeah, but the punishment is not corrective. The dogs won't
     learn anything by being killed, and chances are, neither will
     the owners. I'd recommend giving the dogs back. However, if there
     is such a thing as a small claims court there, then the owners
     should be made to pay up for fines, court costs, and damages to
     the sheep ranchers. Otherwise, what is to prevent the dog owners
     from getting more dogs, which they subsequently fail to control,
     too? Give the kid her doggies back, and HAMMER the parents in
     the wallet. IMO.
                                                 Bob K
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Post by Mac Lewi » Tue, 04 Feb 1997 04:00:00


Isn't there a federal law which allow monetary replacement of the
animals.  i believe it is paid for out of log licenses.
--
Ms. Mac Lewis -

Icecastle Malamutes
974 Stoney Creek Drive
Frankfort, KY  40601

 
 
 

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Post by Nancy E. Holme » Wed, 05 Feb 1997 04:00:00



writes:

Quote:


>   >will certainly jeopardise the sheep's lives! I think this is a
>   >typical situation in which the animals die for lack of a
>   >responsible owner. Nancy

>     Nancy,
>          Yeah, but the punishment is not corrective. The dogs won't
>     learn anything by being killed, and chances are, neither will
>     the owners. I'd recommend giving the dogs back. However, if there
>     is such a thing as a small claims court there, then the owners
>     should be made to pay up for fines, court costs, and damages to
>     the sheep ranchers. Otherwise, what is to prevent the dog owners
>     from getting more dogs, which they subsequently fail to control,
>     too? Give the kid her doggies back, and HAMMER the parents in
>     the wallet. IMO.
>                                                 Bob K
>Net-Tamer V 1.07 - Registered

Bob - the point is that the dogs already had one chance and the owners
have already blown it for the second time. how many chances do those
owners rate? The kid is their kid and if they were so upset over it
you'd think the parent already would have done something about it. I do
expect the people to get more dogs and be just as irresponsible with
them based on their previous record. In the meantime should the sheep
farmer have to put up with the results of the dog's predation on his
sheep? I wonder if there is a sad 4H kid who's project has been
destroyed by the dog owners repetetive carelessness?
Its bad scene but keeping bored dogs home who know how much fun chasing
livestock is is pretty hard. I'd go along with deporting the dogs
providing anyone wants them, but not with sending them back again to
the same situation. How much sadder will the kid be the next time? What
makes you think the dogs will learn or be taught anything? Yes you and
I would fence and train but will they? - not likely IMO.
Nancy
 
 
 

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Post by kreid.. » Wed, 05 Feb 1997 04:00:00



   >Bob - the point is that the dogs already had one chance and the
   >owners have already blown it for the second time. how many chances
   >do those owners rate? The kid is their kid and if they were so
   >upset over it you'd think the parent already would have done
   >something about it. I do expect the people to get more dogs and be
   >just as irresponsible with them based on their previous record. In
   >the meantime should the sheep farmer have to put up with the
   >results of the dog's predation on his sheep? I wonder if there is a
   >sad 4H kid who's project has been destroyed by the dog owners
   >repetetive carelessness? Its bad scene but keeping bored dogs home
   >who know how much fun chasing livestock is is pretty hard. I'd go
   >along with deporting the dogs providing anyone wants them, but not
   >with sending them back again to the same situation. How much sadder
   >will the kid be the next time? What makes you think the dogs will
   >learn or be taught anything? Yes you and I would fence and train
   >but will they? - not likely IMO. Nancy

     Nancy,
          I agree with all that you say. I just think that the most
     effective way to apply a lasting corrective action is to kick
     those people in the wallet. Even the kid's grief at losing the
     dogs can diverted, blaming it on external sources. The kid
     may very well blame the authorities for the loss of her dogs,
     and *not* her parents, which is of course where the entire blame
     belongs. I hope that the little girl reads this, or that a friend
     tells her about it, because she may end up suffering the ill effects
     of her parents' irresponsibility, and her misunderstanding of the
     cause will not help her in coping with it.

                                                 Bob K
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Post by John J Dybu » Wed, 05 Feb 1997 04:00:00


Can anyone tell me if there are any German Sheppard Rescue places in the
South New Jersay area?   I am interested in helping a German Sheppard pup
or if need be an older dog.  I guess the only requirement is that he/she be
house broken. If anyone knows of such a place please e-mail me the address
and/or phone number.

               Thank you,

--

 If only we loved as animals do.



Quote:


>    >Bob - the point is that the dogs already had one chance and the
>    >owners have already blown it for the second time. how many chances
>    >do those owners rate? The kid is their kid and if they were so
>    >upset over it you'd think the parent already would have done
>    >something about it. I do expect the people to get more dogs and be
>    >just as irresponsible with them based on their previous record. In
>    >the meantime should the sheep farmer have to put up with the
>    >results of the dog's predation on his sheep? I wonder if there is a
>    >sad 4H kid who's project has been destroyed by the dog owners
>    >repetetive carelessness? Its bad scene but keeping bored dogs home
>    >who know how much fun chasing livestock is is pretty hard. I'd go
>    >along with deporting the dogs providing anyone wants them, but not
>    >with sending them back again to the same situation. How much sadder
>    >will the kid be the next time? What makes you think the dogs will
>    >learn or be taught anything? Yes you and I would fence and train
>    >but will they? - not likely IMO. Nancy

>      Nancy,
>           I agree with all that you say. I just think that the most
>      effective way to apply a lasting corrective action is to kick
>      those people in the wallet. Even the kid's grief at losing the
>      dogs can diverted, blaming it on external sources. The kid
>      may very well blame the authorities for the loss of her dogs,
>      and *not* her parents, which is of course where the entire blame
>      belongs. I hope that the little girl reads this, or that a friend
>      tells her about it, because she may end up suffering the ill effects
>      of her parents' irresponsibility, and her misunderstanding of the
>      cause will not help her in coping with it.

>                                                  Bob K
> Net-Tamer V 1.07 - Registered

 
 
 

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Post by Charlotte Keate » Thu, 06 Feb 1997 04:00:00


I think this whole thing is absolutely disgusting.  What are the dogs or
the owners going to learn by having them destroyed?  Chasing and killing
livestock is part of a dogs' natural breeding, it's only humans that
have decided to make them into pets - we can't take away their natural
instincts.  How stupid to impose a law that is for humans on animals -
for god's sake!

The parents should be made to pay a fine - just like other people in
this thread have commented.  They are not going to learn by having their
pets KILLED.  I don't live in America so I don't know how this story
progressed - but I hope for everyone's sake that these dogs were granted
their lives.  STUPID, STUPID STUPID AUTHORITIES,

C***te

 
 
 

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Post by Charlotte Keate » Thu, 06 Feb 1997 04:00:00


I think this whole thing is absolutely disgusting.  What are the dogs or
the owners going to learn by having them destroyed?  Chasing and killing
livestock is part of a dogs' natural breeding, it's only humans that
have decided to make them into pets - we can't take away their natural
instincts.  How stupid to impose a law that is for humans on animals -
for god's sake!

The parents should be made to pay a fine - just like other people in
this thread have commented.  They are not going to learn by having their
pets KILLED.  I don't live in America so I don't know how this story
progressed - but I hope for everyone's sake that these dogs were granted
their lives.  STUPID, STUPID STUPID AUTHORITIES,

C***te

 
 
 

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Post by Carol Dunst » Thu, 06 Feb 1997 04:00:00


On Wed, 05 Feb 1997 17:45:26 -0800, C***te Keates

Quote:

>I think this whole thing is absolutely disgusting.  What are the dogs or
>the owners going to learn by having them destroyed?  Chasing and killing
>livestock is part of a dogs' natural breeding, it's only humans that
>have decided to make them into pets - we can't take away their natural
>instincts.  How stupid to impose a law that is for humans on animals -
>for god's sake!

They are not being killed to teach them anything. They get killed
because dogs that chase livestock usually kill or injure livestock,
thus causing it pain and causing the rancher part of his livelihood (a
pack of feral dogs can kill several head of cows or sheep in a night).
This is a prevention issue - no loose dogs, no loose dogs killing
livestock.

Quote:
>The parents should be made to pay a fine - just like other people in
>this thread have commented.  They are not going to learn by having their
>pets KILLED.  

This is not the case in cities, this is about country dogs. Local
farmers and ranchers have always had the right to protect their
livestock.

Quote:
>I don't live in America so I don't know how this story
>progressed - but I hope for everyone's sake that these dogs were granted
>their lives.  STUPID, STUPID STUPID AUTHORITIES,

Although it is sad, it is not stupid. In range country there are few
alternatives to killing a dog that chases stock. A farmer may shoot
it, if caught in the act. It is a practical matter, however we may
feel emotionally about it. The dogs mentioned in the original post
were not beloved pets, either, but mostly neglected farm dogs, quickly
replaced by uncaring owners. Sad....

Carol
--
Carwyn Silky Terriers
http://www.moonsgarden.com/

 
 
 

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Post by Joanne Co » Fri, 07 Feb 1997 04:00:00


couldnt agree more. A dog TRAINER here had someones sweet docile errant
dogs attack her sheep, and the time she spent with vets, for part of
her livelihood was unbelievable. Too bad the farmer couldn't have shot
them on the site. Obviously THEN a carcass wouldn't be just a carcass
to the dog owners. They WILL get more dogs, though you can bet no one
will train THEM either. Too bad the shelters can't tell THEM to go
jump.


writes:

Quote:


>   >Bob - the point is that the dogs already had one chance and the
>   >owners have already blown it for the second time. how many chances
>   >do those owners rate? The kid is their kid and if they were so
>   >upset over it you'd think the parent already would have done
>   >something about it. I do expect the people to get more dogs and be
>   >just as irresponsible with them based on their previous record. In
>   >the meantime should the sheep farmer have to put up with the
>   >results of the dog's predation on his sheep? I wonder if there is
a
>   >sad 4H kid who's project has been destroyed by the dog owners
>   >repetetive carelessness? Its bad scene but keeping bored dogs home
>   >who know how much fun chasing livestock is is pretty hard. I'd go
>   >along with deporting the dogs providing anyone wants them, but not
>   >with sending them back again to the same situation. How much
sadder
>   >will the kid be the next time? What makes you think the dogs will
>   >learn or be taught anything? Yes you and I would fence and train
>   >but will they? - not likely IMO. Nancy

>     Nancy,
>          I agree with all that you say. I just think that the most
>     effective way to apply a lasting corrective action is to kick
>     those people in the wallet. Even the kid's grief at losing the
>     dogs can diverted, blaming it on external sources. The kid
>     may very well blame the authorities for the loss of her dogs,
>     and *not* her parents, which is of course where the entire blame
>     belongs. I hope that the little girl reads this, or that a friend
>     tells her about it, because she may end up suffering the ill
effects
>     of her parents' irresponsibility, and her misunderstanding of the
>     cause will not help her in coping with it.

>                                                 Bob K
>Net-Tamer V 1.07 - Registered

 
 
 

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Post by kreid.. » Fri, 07 Feb 1997 04:00:00



   >dogs, though you can bet no one will train THEM either. Too bad the
   >shelters can't tell THEM to go jump.

     Joanne,
          Here, they do just that. They will not adopt out a dog unless
     it will be pre***ly an inside dog. They believe that it is
     cruel to chain a dog to a doghouse for 10-12 years.
          There are still lots of sad cases around here. The enforcement
     guy, Larry Woltz, told me that he sees many dogs tied outside, in
     questionable circumstances (water? food?). However, they do make
     an effort to determine if the placement is a good one. AFAIK, they
     are not required to adopt out a dog, cat, or whatever under conditions
     that they think will be bad for the animal.
                                                 Bob K
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Post by pi.. » Sat, 08 Feb 1997 04:00:00


My Australian Terrier has developed an eye problem.  They tear and exude
matter.  They look fine in the morning but beome more red as the day
progresses.  

I have had her to three different vets.  She does not have dry eye.  All
say it is probably an allergy and nothing can be done.

I have been treating it with eye drops for people with allergies.
Doesn't help much.

Does anyone have a possible solution to the problem?

Thanx

 
 
 

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Post by pi.. » Sat, 08 Feb 1997 04:00:00


My Australian Terrier has developed an eye problem.  They tear and exude
matter.  They look fine in the morning but beome more red as the day
progresses.  

I have had her to three different vets.  She does not have dry eye.  All
say it is probably an allergy and nothing can be done.

I have been treating it with eye drops for people with allergies.
Doesn't help much.

Does anyone have a possible solution to the problem?

Thanx