Breeders directory at Drs Foster and Smith site

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Breeders directory at Drs Foster and Smith site

Post by Lisa D » Wed, 08 Dec 1999 04:00:00



Hi everyone,

I strongly suggest that those of you involved with your parent breed
clubs go to the Drs Foster and Smith site and look up your breed and the
breeders listed there.  They have a little disclaimer regarding
responsible breeders being listed and will remove breeders at their
discretion.  

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/fsstore/admin/pet-directory-services.ic...

What we all need to do is email a guideline for each of our breeds along
with health, temperament and performance tests that responsible and
ethical breeders utilize - so that Drs Foster and Smith can use that
info as a screening tool.  I just now called and spoke to a C.S. manager
after seeing several obvious puppy-millers and promoters of the albino
doberman listed in the Dobermans section.  In fact, it was pretty
sickening to see many of the sources for most of the dobes we get in
rescue in No. Calif.  

I was told to contact CINDY QUANT through the web site and make sure
that correspondence states "ATTN: CINDY QUANT".  She is the head of the
web services for Drs Foster and Smith.

--
Lisa AKA "Norma Rae Nader" AKA "the trouble causing clown"


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Post by Darlene E. Hernande » Wed, 08 Dec 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>Hi everyone,

>I strongly suggest that those of you involved with your parent breed
>clubs go to the Drs Foster and Smith site and look up your breed and the
>breeders listed there.  They have a little disclaimer regarding
>responsible breeders being listed and will remove breeders at their
>discretion.

>http://www.drsfostersmith.com/fsstore/admin/pet-directory-services.ic...

ridentifier=icat_orderid

I don't know where they got their lists from, but I'm listed and I know that
I never signed up (otherwise my web page link would have been there).  They
must have scanned other referral sites or bought a list from someone.

Darlene Hernandez

 
 
 

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Post by Andrea Ston » Wed, 08 Dec 1999 04:00:00


I'm in there too and I don't recall signing up. And....they have a number in
there for my "fax" that is not a fax..Hmmm.....

I've purchased from them before. Maybe that's where they got their info?

--
-Andrea Stone
 Saorsa Basenjis
http://www.premier1.net/~saorsa

Quote:

>I don't know where they got their lists from, but I'm listed and I know
that
>I never signed up (otherwise my web page link would have been there).  They
>must have scanned other referral sites or bought a list from someone.

>Darlene Hernandez

 
 
 

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Post by Lisa D » Wed, 08 Dec 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> > I don't know where they got their lists from, but I'm listed and I
> > know that I never signed up (otherwise my web page link would have
> > been there).

I noticed that many of the ethical [Dobermann] breeders listed did NOT
have a link included to their own web sites...AND...the most of the
unethical breeders DID.

Quote:
> > They must have scanned other referral sites or bought a list from
> > someone.

> I'm in there too and I don't recall signing up. And....they have a
> number in there for my "fax" that is not a fax..Hmmm.....

> I've purchased from them before. Maybe that's where they got their info?

Apparantly around March ('99) someone from their promotions dept. web
surfed and signed guestbooks for any/all breeds.  A "canned" invitation
was left inviting the web site owner to be included in their new
directory.  Did any of you have such an entry in your guestbook?  

As I said, it really sickened me to see so many puppy-millers and
mini-millers in just the CA section for Dobermanns.  As much as the
internet is helping people access the proper and correct info prior to a
puppy/dog purchase, it's also making it easier for the PUPPY PIMPS to
*** more dogs and*** potential purchasers...<SIGH>...

--
Lisa  

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Post by Rene » Wed, 08 Dec 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> I have a question about chocolate and dogs. Ive already called a
> couple of vets and I know what my vet thinks about chocolate. I keep
> getting different answers!!!! Some say its bad, no chocolate (which
> has always been my thoughts exactly) and others were saying chocolate
> and dogs is a myth, the worst it'll do is maybe give them diarrhea.

Hi, Karen.

I don't have any first-hand knowledge, but my understanding is that although
chocolate is 'not good' for any dog, it is particularly dangerous to small
dogs.  Your post didn't say (that I noticed) what size your dog is, but as you
are doing, I would watch her for the next several hours.

The best to you and her,
Renee

 
 
 

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Post by Tracy Landaue » Wed, 08 Dec 1999 04:00:00


If there's even a possibility it could be toxic to your dog, why on
Earth would you even want to chance it?

Tracy Landauer

Quote:

> Hi,

> I have a question about chocolate and dogs. Ive already called a
> couple of vets and I know what my vet thinks about chocolate. I keep
> getting different answers!!!! Some say its bad, no chocolate (which
> has always been my thoughts exactly) and others were saying chocolate
> and dogs is a myth, the worst it'll do is maybe give them diarrhea. Of
> course, the things Ive read about choc and dogs, is that diarrhea is
> the FIRST sign of toxic levels!!!

> I got home from work tonite to find out from mom, that my dog got up
> on the table with her front paws and scooched the table cloth til a
> dish with Hershey Kisses was close enough for her to grab a few. I
> didnt "count" how many were in the dish when I filled it, and I dont
> think she got  "too"  many.....Im guessing somewhere around 10.
> She's acting fine, no vomiting, no diarrhea, no abnormal behavior
> whatsoever.
> Although the vets all had different opinions about chocolate, theyve
> all told me to just watch her for now and if she showed any problems
> to get help.
> This was a couple hours ago now and still no problems.
> I thought I'd ask on this newsgroup for any thoughts/opinions, things
> to watch for. And, also, I remember seeing something on here once that
> had a dogs weight to how much chocolate they'd have to eat before that
> bad-thing-in-chocolate (theobromide ???) would cause problems.
> Does anyone remember the ratio?? How much does a dog have to eat
> before its really bad??
> Thanks....
> Karen......who now is keeping Holiday confections in closed containers
> on the counter that DOESNT have a tablecloth to be pulled on!!!

 
 
 

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Post by Kare » Thu, 09 Dec 1999 04:00:00


Hi,

I have a question about chocolate and dogs. Ive already called a
couple of vets and I know what my vet thinks about chocolate. I keep
getting different answers!!!! Some say its bad, no chocolate (which
has always been my thoughts exactly) and others were saying chocolate
and dogs is a myth, the worst it'll do is maybe give them diarrhea. Of
course, the things Ive read about choc and dogs, is that diarrhea is
the FIRST sign of toxic levels!!!

I got home from work tonite to find out from mom, that my dog got up
on the table with her front paws and scooched the table cloth til a
dish with Hershey Kisses was close enough for her to grab a few. I
didnt "count" how many were in the dish when I filled it, and I dont
think she got  "too"  many.....Im guessing somewhere around 10.
She's acting fine, no vomiting, no diarrhea, no abnormal behavior
whatsoever.
Although the vets all had different opinions about chocolate, theyve
all told me to just watch her for now and if she showed any problems
to get help.
This was a couple hours ago now and still no problems.
I thought I'd ask on this newsgroup for any thoughts/opinions, things
to watch for. And, also, I remember seeing something on here once that
had a dogs weight to how much chocolate they'd have to eat before that
bad-thing-in-chocolate (theobromide ???) would cause problems.
Does anyone remember the ratio?? How much does a dog have to eat
before its really bad??
Thanks....
Karen......who now is keeping Holiday confections in closed containers
on the counter that DOESNT have a tablecloth to be pulled on!!!

 
 
 

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Post by Andrea J Che » Thu, 09 Dec 1999 04:00:00




Quote:
>I thought I'd ask on this newsgroup for any thoughts/opinions, things
>to watch for. And, also, I remember seeing something on here once that
>had a dogs weight to how much chocolate they'd have to eat before that
>bad-thing-in-chocolate (theobromide ???) would cause problems.
>Does anyone remember the ratio?? How much does a dog have to eat
>before its really bad??

It depends on the strength of the chocolate as well as the quantity.
Your dog hasn't eaten enough to cause real problems - those Hersheys
things are quite low in theobromine.
For a 50 pound dog, a toxic dose would be roughly 2.2 grams (2200 mg) of
pure chocolate. However the concentration of theobromine varies with the
formulation of the chocolate so:

Milk chocolate has 44mg/oz (154mg/100gm):
toxic dose for 50 lb dog - 50 oz of milk chocolate.

Semisweet chocolate has 150 mg/oz (528mg/100gm):
toxic dose for 50 lb dog - 15 oz of semisweet chocolate

Baking chocolate 390mg/oz (1365 mg/100gm):
toxic dose for 50 lb dog - 5 oz of baking chocolate

So unless your dog has helped itself to an enormous quantity, you should
get away with it. One thing to remember is that theobromine can't be
easily metabolised and excreted from the dog's system so the effect is
cumulative.

- ANDREA

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Post by Kare » Thu, 09 Dec 1999 04:00:00


no, I didnt "give" her chocolate. I would never do that. Even though
1/2 the vets I talked to said the chocolate thing was a myth, I
beleive the "OTHER" half that say it IS bad and dogs should never ever
eat it. She evidently pulled on the tablecloth on the table that the
candy dish was on and got the candy dish close enough to reach it.  I
never wouldve thought she'd pull a stunt like that. After some
thought, mom thinks that maybe she thought the stuffed toys that she
bought today for my neice for christmas that were on the table also,
were HER toys and was trying to get to them and the dish just came
closer to the edge of the table first. She couldnt have "known" there
was candy on the table and since she's never had candy/chocolate, I
dont think she would know what the "smell" was.....Im not sure what
made her mess with the table, she's never tried that before, maybe it
was the stuffed toys she was actually after, only the dog knows.
But, thank goodness she seems ok and hasnt acted ill at all and now
the goodies are put up in a container that she cant get to.
Thanks for everyone's responses.
Karen
Quote:

>If there's even a possibility it could be toxic to your dog, why on
>Earth would you even want to chance it?
>Tracy Landauer

 
 
 

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Post by Carol Levi » Thu, 09 Dec 1999 04:00:00


Karen:

This brings back memories! A few years ago, my dog (60 lb GSD/Sammy mix)
managed to get ahold of a full bag of Hershey's Kisses (wrapped in their
Christmas color foil) and devoured the entire bag. 12 oz? 15? Whatever. My
noontime dogwalker discovered the evidence and immediately took Mack to my
vet. They called me at work to tell me that they were going to keep him
for observation and to pick him up after work.

Other than bouncing off the walls for a couple of days (I mean really
nutso) and pooping multi-colored foil, Mack was fine. No diarrhea or
anything. The vet told me that the reason Mack didn't get sick was because
it was milk chocolate, and that he was large enough to tolerate the amount
that he ate. In a smaller dog, that amount of milk chocolate may have had
more serious effects, even though it's generally less harmful than the
darker chocolates.

Needless to say, my holiday candy is now kept in the pantry or on top of
the fridge!

Carol

Quote:

> Hi,

> I have a question about chocolate and dogs. Ive already called a
> couple of vets and I know what my vet thinks about chocolate. I keep
> getting different answers!!!! Some say its bad, no chocolate (which
> has always been my thoughts exactly) and others were saying chocolate
> and dogs is a myth, the worst it'll do is maybe give them diarrhea. Of
> course, the things Ive read about choc and dogs, is that diarrhea is
> the FIRST sign of toxic levels!!!

> I got home from work tonite to find out from mom, that my dog got up
> on the table with her front paws and scooched the table cloth til a
> dish with Hershey Kisses was close enough for her to grab a few. I
> didnt "count" how many were in the dish when I filled it, and I dont
> think she got  "too"  many.....Im guessing somewhere around 10.
> She's acting fine, no vomiting, no diarrhea, no abnormal behavior
> whatsoever.
> Although the vets all had different opinions about chocolate, theyve
> all told me to just watch her for now and if she showed any problems
> to get help.
> This was a couple hours ago now and still no problems.
> I thought I'd ask on this newsgroup for any thoughts/opinions, things
> to watch for. And, also, I remember seeing something on here once that
> had a dogs weight to how much chocolate they'd have to eat before that
> bad-thing-in-chocolate (theobromide ???) would cause problems.
> Does anyone remember the ratio?? How much does a dog have to eat
> before its really bad??
> Thanks....
> Karen......who now is keeping Holiday confections in closed containers
> on the counter that DOESNT have a tablecloth to be pulled on!!!

 
 
 

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Post by Natalie Kim Bjorklu » Thu, 09 Dec 1999 04:00:00



Quote:

>Hi,

>I thought I'd ask on this newsgroup for any thoughts/opinions, things
>to watch for. And, also, I remember seeing something on here once that
>had a dogs weight to how much chocolate they'd have to eat before that
>bad-thing-in-chocolate (theobromide ???) would cause problems.
>Does anyone remember the ratio?? How much does a dog have to eat
>before its really bad??
>Thanks....
>Karen......who now is keeping Holiday confections in closed containers
>on the counter that DOESNT have a tablecloth to be pulled on!!!

My experience has been that some dogs can't tolerate it and get very sick.
Some dogs get the diarhea and nothing more. Some dogs scarf the stuff down
like candy and nothing happens. I think its like an allergy or lactose
intolerance in humans. Depends on the human.

Natalie

 
 
 

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Post by dogsnu » Thu, 09 Dec 1999 04:00:00


Quote:



> >Hi,

> >I thought I'd ask on this newsgroup for any thoughts/opinions, things
> >to watch for. And, also, I remember seeing something on here once that
> >had a dogs weight to how much chocolate they'd have to eat before that
> >bad-thing-in-chocolate (theobromide ???) would cause problems.
> >Does anyone remember the ratio?? How much does a dog have to eat
> >before its really bad??
> >Thanks....
> >Karen......who now is keeping Holiday confections in closed containers
> >on the counter that DOESNT have a tablecloth to be pulled on!!!

> My experience has been that some dogs can't tolerate it and get very sick.
> Some dogs get the diarhea and nothing more. Some dogs scarf the stuff down
> like candy and nothing happens.

And some dogs die.

I think its like an allergy or lactose

Quote:
> intolerance in humans. Depends on the human.

The amount and kind_ of chocolate also depends
upon the dog.
There is a long time poster here whose dog got
into some
baker's chocolate and died from heart failure, I
believe.
I think it only took 2-3 days before she died.
IMO, why take a chance on finding out the
tolerance level
of a dog and the kind and amount of chocolate it
can tolerate?
Chocolate is verbotten for K9's in our den.
Terri
But that's okay, it just means more for us
hoomins.
 
 
 

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Post by Andrea Ston » Thu, 09 Dec 1999 04:00:00


Lisa D. wrote
<snip>

Quote:
>Apparantly around March ('99) someone from their promotions dept. web
>surfed and signed guestbooks for any/all breeds.  A "canned" invitation
>was left inviting the web site owner to be included in their new
>directory.  Did any of you have such an entry in your guestbook?

:0( No guest book on my site...

--
-Andrea Stone
 Saorsa Basenjis
http://www.premier1.net/~saorsa