Moon's Graden

HOWEDY Alan,

The Amazing Puppy Wizard knows ALL HIS
FREE WWW Wits' end Dog Training Method
Manual Students.

Yeah. You was askin abHOWET The Amazing
Puppy Wizard.

Those "introductions" have been by
HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing
Punk Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG
TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES.

HOWEDY Gandhi. WELCOME!

Good for you! HOWER DOG LOVERS LOVE
FRENCH people. Don't they, tommy?

Good for you.

You'll qualify for that in a couple weeks if you
follow your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual.

You mean anyHOWE. Perhaps you're a slow learner, alan.

Yeah. Unfortunately most of the posters talkin
won't be here long enough to answer.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't have time
to brHOWES dog pics.

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile ***at the hands of supposedly
*** dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog
into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that
hide behind fake names are more honest than people that
use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante
dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than
those that have studied and lived by their craft for
decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

====================

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AnyWON tellin you any different is a
lying dog abusing punk thug coward
who hurts and ***s dogs and lies
abHOWET it.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 16:01:29 GMT, "The Puppy Wizard"

being buried in a casket 6 feet down:

*** OFF YOU DIRTY KOTEX TAMPON SUCKING SHIT.

Zermut

Ooops! That reminds The Amazing Puppy
Wizard HE got STUFF to do... later.

HOWEDY alan,

The Amazing Puppy Wizard KNOWS you on
accHOWENT of HE KNOWS the NATURE of
the BEAST.

DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS.

On accHOWENT of you're having behavior
problems with your own dog, alan.

Those have been posts by HOWER REGULAR
LYING DOG ABUSING MENTALLY ILL PUNK
THUG COWARDS, alan.

"He knows basic obedience (sit, lay, stand,
come, stay, slow, jump up, hop over, run,
move to front, move to rear, let go, get in
the car, is leash trained and is working on
heel currently)."

IOW, you can't FORCE CON-TROLL over ALL
his HOWETA CON-TROLL behaviors.

Here's HOWE it usually goes here abHOWETS, alan.

Dog lovers like yourself come here and IDENTIFY
with the lying dog abusing punk thug cowards and
active long term incurable MENTAL CASES on acc-
HOWENT of like HOWE The Puppy Wizard's DADDY
SEZ: "Birds of a feather."

Ahhh! EXXXCELENT! You're in for a tough ride, alan.

INDEEDY!

And you're posting to the behavior problem
group on accHOWENT of you wanna SOCIALIZE
with MENTALLY ILL LYING DOG ABUSING PUNK
THUG COWARDS: "You're JUDGED BY the
company you keep," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.

SO FAR. That's gonna CHANGE as you try
to force CON-TROLL of his heeling and as
he becomes FEAR AGGRESSIVE due to
your fear force avoidance and intimidation.

Like SHITsHOWEND, alan? That's HOWE COME
you're having PROBLEMS working with your dog.

You mean anyHOWE, alan.

You mean, by other lying dog abusing mentally
ill cowards and frauds, alan.

INDEED. The Amazing Puppy Wizard just
took a look see. Seems like you're using
a restrictive slip pinch harness, is that correct?

Thank  you, alan. HOWEver, we DO need your
own personal mental heelth CASE HISTORY in
order to complete the DATA The Amazing Puppy
Wizard is compiling to PROVE that ONLY MENTAL
CASES post here abHOWETS.

Your cooperation is greatly appreciated and
the benefits coming as a certified MENTALLY
ILL rpdb poster will be life long association
with long term incurable mental cases like
yourself, social activites, latest psycho-
pharmacutical anti psychotic updates and
warnings, CONtests, fun and games!

BWEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

Subject: Re: Lab/Rot 11 Months (TEMPER PROBLEMS)
Date: 2004-05-21 19:22:05 PST

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HOWEDY Group,

Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using
JERRY'S MANUAL

1) My dogz, two ***es - Vicious, barking,
 aggressive, pulled on leash, wanted to kill
 any dogs they saw, fought between each other.

TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual, they
were calm, friends, my companions.

2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
dropped him by their noses.

3) My FRIENDS dogs  2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!

Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !

4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!

5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON  A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !

Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
hairs coloured up amazingly.

6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!

BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!

Nevyn

HOWEDY alan,

Perhaps you'll need to increase your anti psychotic meds?

That's nice. HOWE COME you're posting to
the MENTALLY ILL DOG BEHAVOR PROBLEMS
groups, eh, alan?

matty is a schizophrenic lying dog abusing coward.

Yeah. So long as there's someWON standin there
ready to HURT and INTIMDIATE them.

You're talkin to  a liar and a dog abuser and
active long term MENTAL CASE who can't
post here abHOWETS noMOORE. The
Puppy Wizard's DADDY SEZ: "You're JUDGED
BY the company you keep:"

          > > > Jerome Bigge writes:
          > > > I do know that hitting, hurting
          > > > your dog will often make the
          > > > dog either aggressive or a fear
          > > > biter, neither of which we want to do.

And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:

          > > And neither does anyone else,
          > > Jerome.  No matter
          > > what Jerry Howe states.

          > Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

          > > When you compare using sound and
          > > praise to solve a problem with using
          > > shock collars,***, and punishment
          > > how can you criticize the use of sound?

          > There's nothing more to be said, then.
          > You've made up your mind.

          > But you've impressed me by mentioning
          > that you're a professor with 30 years of
          > experience.

          > So, can you cite some examples of
          > people recommending "shock collars,
          >***, and punishment"?
          > --
          > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

You think matty's playin with a full
goddamned deck?

matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.
He's a MENTAL CASE.

Isn't that true, Marilyn?

Of course not, but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
 professora gingold.

  lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
  For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
  pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.
  When he barks, use the line for a correction.

 - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

  Lynn K.

"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.

"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help.
http://www.moonsgarden.com/
http://www.moonsgarden.com/;

THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.

Too bad you're a dog abusing lying coward, matty.

liea's dog Cubbe attacked her only friend
and tried to attack two children when they
stepped into her SHOCK ZONE as culprit
aka kelly aka metta's dogs *** her
kat IN THEIR SHOCK ZONE, matty.

granville's dog ATTACKED a child for
standing near a fence that RESEMBLED
her SHOCK ZONE and GOT DEAD over it.

REMEMBER?

You can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE.

That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's this,
here's professor SCRUFF SHAKE:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavi***function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

 **********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy,  "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for
her coment above regarding her success with
The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation
Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / ***
Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)?

Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z,
who commented that his bed time calming technique
was quite similar?

          > > You're scary Marilyn.

          > > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed
          > > individual.  I feel very sorry for her
          > > and her family.

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.

          > > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
          > > doubt, please provide a quote (an
          > > original quote, not from one of Jerry
          > > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
          > > shows a regular poster promoting or
          > > using an abusive form of training.

BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

          > > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

  lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
  For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
  pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.
  When he barks, use the line for a correction.

 - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

  Lynn K.

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And  Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few  Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What  does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for
the first time, spray one squirt directly into
the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog
won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore
him and continue your normal behavior."

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

  --Mike Dufort
    author of the zero selling book
    "Courteous Canines"

You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?

Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm
Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite
Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat
And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear,"
sionnach.

Oh, THANKS, sinofa***...

  "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
  things is something you twisted out of
  context, because you are full of bizarro
  manure."

           "Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
           helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
           Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
           you to progress to striking them more
           sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
           expert trainer, discoverer of ***ism
           in Labradors.

You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?

        "Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
        Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
        With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
        discoverer of ***ISM in Labradors.

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies
HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog
lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a ...

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Ooops! That reminds The Amazing Puppy
Wizard HE got STUFF to do... later.

HOWEDY alan,

PERHAPS BETTER THAN YOURSELF, alan.

Permit The Amazing Puppy Wizard to introduce
you to HIS 100%A NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Student, Hoku. It's uncertain that Hoku
MAY BE the same Hoku who is the notoriHOWES
singer and enterTrainer:

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HOWEDY tara o. aka tee,

Please INTRODUCE yourself to alan. We want
him to FEEL ACCEPTED. Be SHORE to tell him
abHOWET you own mental heelth care CASE
HISTORY and a brief review of HOWE you jerked
and choked and ***ED your own DEAD
DOG Summer TO DEATH on accHOWENT of
HER BAD BREEDING.

After all, this IS all abHOWET community. Ain't it.

                       WORDS OF WISDOM
                 from our own Lynn Kosmakos
  1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
                         For Twenty Years

       I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

  "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression)
  requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every
  day.

  I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn
  more, while happily sharing pertinent information
  I have learned.  But if I were ever to post such sh*t,
  I would hope that every other reader of this group
  would be rightfully outraged."

  "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
   the right to participate in by observing the
   easily understood rules and contributing to in
   constructive ways."

   Lynn K.

-----------------------------------------

  "It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
  - she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
  a comment she made about scarey side effects of
  Lithium.  Hardly.  After 17 years on it, I think
  I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
  any side effect is far less frightening than the
  very real dangers of life without it."

  Lynn K.
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"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:

"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue

Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20

Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong  - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.  Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog.   I think a prong works
better than a ***with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use.   Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars.  At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."

8)  Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog.   I think a prong
works better than a ***with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation.   Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).

If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.

This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag.   (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.)  But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.
---------------------------------

"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake.  I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.

Should I have refused to groom them?

Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."

Lynn K.

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Here's lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn's PARTNER:

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And  Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few  Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What  does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for
the first time, spray one squirt directly into
the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog
won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore
him and continue your normal behavior."--Mike
Dufort author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines"

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar
conversation on Mental problems.  LYNN AND LOIS
Almost 50 years on mental illness medications combined

-----------------------------------------

  "It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
  - she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
  a comment she made about scarey side effects of
  Lithium.  Hardly.  After 17 years on it, I think
  I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
  any side effect is far less frightening than the
  very real dangers of life without it."

  Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------

LYNN K. and the UNQUIET MIND

Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
Date: 1999/09/03

  Yeah.  It's interesting, but kind of
  watered down for the mass market, if
  you know what I mean.  There's really
  quite a lot of good work out there and
  decent research.  Thank God.

  Lynn K.
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MOTHER AND CHILD REUNION "KUCKOO!! CUCKOO!!!"
MOTHER (LOIS E.) 22 YEARS on TRICYCLICS, DAUGHTER BIPOLAR...

YOU DO THE MATH

"What's really terrific, is now days you can say proudly,
'I take anti-depressives'"

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Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
Date: 1999/09/02

  BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS

  "I don't take lithium, but I've been on trycyclics
  for about 22 years. Been there, done that, have
  the t-shirt to prove it. What's really terrific,
  is now days you can say proudly,

  "I take anti-depressives". Back when I started
  taking them it was seen as something shameful.
  If you cut your leg off, and were lying there with
  a bleeding stump, you'd never let the word
  depressed, pass your lips, or the doc's would say,
  "You're depressed, on medication?  Well, can't have
  any pain meds.....you could become ***ed."

  The good old days. I actually had a Great Aunt who's
  father locked her in her room back in the twenties
  because she was simple. A shame that medication
  probably would have helped her live a normal life.

  No Denna, I was just saying with   Darlene's
  personality, she has a way of making grandiose
  plans when at the top of her manic cycle....as
  does my daughter. I wasn't saying that anyone
  with problems could be counted on to be
  irresponsible."

  Lois E.
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     > Kyle,  FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
     > and i often call my little dog the turd, because
     > he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
     > would insult my dog like that so i guess its just a
     > matter of
...

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Isn't this supposed to be a family show???

It's possible to tell someone to go fornicate with themselves without
resorting to foul language, Remember, children read animal newsgroups too.

HOWEDY alan,

Wrong again, alan.

Only enough, alan. Decent people do not
post here abHOWETS, alan. "You're JUDGED
BY the company you keep," The Puppy Wizard's
DADDY.

Permit The Amazing Puppy Wizard to introduce
you to HIS 100% NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Student, Disciple Charlie:

in message

I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a
bit of the literature suggested I needed to assert
my *** and "make the dog earn everything it
gets."

I tried this once or twice, just by taking a stern
tone of voice, and the results were terrible.
The pup got scared and just wanted to stay away from
me.

That's why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE
Wits' End Dog Training manual -- that and the fact
that Jerry is an all-around great guy.

The core takeaway I got from Jerry's manual is this:
make yourself the center of your puppy's world -
- his personal Lord Jesus. Never give him a reason
to fear you or think you're angry. Love the heck
out of him, and you'll end up with a great dog.

This has truly worked with my puppy. She'll do
anything I want her to, if she understands, because
she trusts me 100 percent, and nothing is more
important in her world than her relationship
with me. http://www.moonsgarden.com/
Charlie

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        >
        > I read through his manual and tried the techniques
        > on my puppy, who looked like growing up
        > to be a mean-assed dog like her daddy.
        >
        > Guess what?  It worked.
        >
        > More forceful methods might have
        > allowed me to control her, but I don't think I'd
        > have the exquisitely gentle and well-behaved
        > dog I do now.
        >
        > Charlie

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        > I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a
        > bit of the literature suggested I needed to assert
        > my *** and "make the dog earn everything
        > it gets."
        >
        > I tried this once or twice, just by
        > taking a stern tone of voice, and the results were
        > terrible.  The pup got scared and just wanted to
        > stay away from me.
        >
        > That's why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE
        > Wits' End Dog Training manual -- that and the
        > fact that Jerry is an all-around great guy.
        >
        > The core takeaway I got from Jerry's manual
        > is this: make yourself the center of your puppy's
        > world -- his personal Lord Jesus.
        >
        > Never give him a reason to fear you or
        > think you're angry.  Love the heck
        > out of him, and you'll end up with a great dog.
        >
        > This has truly worked with my puppy.  She'll do
        > anything I want her to, if she understands, because
        > she trusts me 100 percent, and nothing is more
        > important in her world than her relationship
        > with me. http://www.moonsgarden.com/

        > Charlie

        >
        >Hell, if Jerry Howe had simply pointed to his
        >training manual occasionally instead of trying
        >to bludgeon people with his "method", I might
        >have given it a 3rd read to try to find something
        >I could use in there.  Maybe not.
        >
        >Lynn K.

        I came here almost two years ago with an aggressive
        female pup from hard-core "protection" stock.  The
        message I got from nearly everyone was that I need
        to show my dog who is boss, draw lines in the sand,
        absolutely refuse to tolerate this and that.

        Jerry has a different approach, and he delivered
        some extremely helpful insights.

        Now, my dog is not quite two years old, and
        I could probably put her in some kind of
        obedience competition against a Fred Hassan
        dog even though I've had no experience or training
        whatsoever except Jerry's manual and some
        personal tips from him that were well worth
        following.

        My Holly is an exceedingly well-behaved pet
        who gets along well with everyone.  And I
        believe Jerry Howe is the best dog resource
        on the Internet, bar none.

        Charlie

Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI, marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation," dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavi***function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

 **********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy,  "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

        The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~  }   >

P.S.  Contacting Dr. P:

Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.

In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.

That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.

Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.

If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavi***Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.

P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

                YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!

              Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
              Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
                                 BUSINESS.

         "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
                       and you will know each other.
         If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
                and what you do not know you will fear.

                       What one fears, one destroys."
                             Chief Dan George

               "(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
               few regulars here who are either ill-
               tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
                                   --Marshall

              "If you've got them by the balls their hearts
                              and minds will follow,"
                                    John Wayne.

               The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~  }   >

HOWEDY alan,

PERHAPS BETTER THAN YOURSELF, alan.

Permit The Amazing Puppy Wizard to introduce
you to HIS 100%A NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Student, Hoku. It's uncertain that Hoku
MAY BE the same Hoku who is the notoriHOWES
singer and enterTrainer:

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HOWEDY alan,

Don't have to KNOW you alan, your words and
actions betray and mock you.

Only just enough, alan.

Permit The Amazing Puppy Wizard to introduce
you to JoeTheGuru:

message

JERRY SAVE THIS LAD!!!!

or it could be a troll <are you a troll??
do not use it on your dog.....

would you use it on your best friend.....

I have read jerry's book, it seems too easy at first.
however I started to use some of the training out of
it and now.

I have a dog that heels as fast as a collie in a
trial.<great dane X mastiff

I have a dog that stays and never leaves the spot.

I have a dog that comes when ever I call.

I have a dog that never leaves the yard, never runs
away.

I have a dog that stands still to be washed
with the cold hose.

I have a dog that never pulls on
the lead when we walk.

I have a dog that puts up with more abuse then a
dog should from my 2 year old <and loves it

I have a dog that barks at the fence only when some
ones there.

I have a dog that would not care less if there is
another dog in the park <only wants to be with and
please me though a lot of this is due to me training
the dog <spending the time with the dog.

jerry's book showed me not to punish the dog. but
just to work with the dog. which I liked the idea of
hence why I tried it. it is easy to become
frustrated with a dog when you are trying to train
them.

I look forward to my next puppy <ban dog so
I can use the information from jerry's book
and see just how good a dog can get.

the dog I have now was when I picked her up from the
RSPCA. she could not walk on a lead <no idea. cowered
from every noise <and wet her self, messed in the
house at every turn. acted like I was killing her
when I dragged her over to the mess.

this was A 6 month old pup that had been beaten <2.5
feet to the shoulder. I could of taken her back
however I knew I could bring her back to being to be a dog.

the dog I have now at 1.5 years <same dog is a dog
to be proud to walk down the street with <3 feet to
the shoulder and still growing.

so well behaved even when people walk passed with a
out of control dog. gentle with my child and trust
worthy < I never have to worry that my dog
will bite her, only have to worry if a stranger
comes over to my child. still that is not a worry
she places herself between my child and the
stranger

I may be plugging jerry's book, however with the
***out there it is good to see that someone has
moved forward. looked at a different way to train
dogs. yes he gets into people, and in their face <
you should back off a little jerry however he is
sick of the bashing, ***, shocking, shaking and
everything else. so jerry save this lad from ruining
his dog. later, Joe

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