OT - Baltimore, part deux

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OT - Baltimore, part deux

Post by The Puppy Wizar » Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:20:29

HOWEDY bonniethecollie,

Wonderful! You'll be able to visit and play with janet boss
and sinofa*** and their well trained dogs!

In case you get tied up, you can have sinofa*** walk your
pups for ya!!!:

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's
Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand,
Rolled Her On Her Side, Leaned On Her, Smartly Said "GRRRR!"
And Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sionnach.

Won't that be helpful! Then you can rely on janet to give you
the advice you'll need to make your dogs FRIENDLY again.
Have you read "interested in hearing?"

You'll ENJOY that WON.

> Jana
>  &Bonnie+Max


 > I need some advice.

You won't be gettin no advice from HOWER dog lovers here.
All they know is to hurt, confine, blame the dog, and avoid,
behaviors they cannot train.

 > I have two Papillions, one is 4 years old, one is 9
 > months old.  I've come up against a wall in my house training.

HOWESbreaking is EZ, because it's INSTINCTIVE.
Dogs HOWEsbreak themselves at about five weeks
of age, if HOWER dog lovers give them a CHANCE.

 >  Both dogs behave the same way, so it's clearly something
 > I'm doing wrong.

Good point, Steve. You'll notice HOWER dog lovers ALL got
the SAME SAME SAME SAME problems HOWER new posters
write in about...

 > I have a dog door leading to a fenced back yard.  The door is
 > in the laundry room.  If I confine the dogs to the laundry room,
 > they will go outside to do their business.

RIGHT! Cause dogs INSTINCTIVELY won't dump in their HOWESES.

 > If, however,  I leave them free in the house,

You mean, in YOUR HOWES, Steve...

 > whether I'm home or not,

You mean, sittin pretty in YOUR HOWES, Steve?

 > they have accidents in the house.

They poo in YOUR HOWES, Steve?

 >  They won't always go in the house, I hear them go
 > outside sometimes, but they have a lot of accidents in
 > the house.

In YOUR HOWES, not THEIR HOWES? That suggests
they ARE - HOWEsbroken -, don't it???

 > I know that dogs inherently don't like to mess near where
 > they sleep and eat,

You mean, in THEIR HOWESES?

 > hence why they will eliminate outside if I confine them to
 > the laundry room where there food and bed are.

You mean, inside THEIR HOWES, they're HOWESbroken?

 > How can I train them not to go in the house?

You mean, not to poo in YOUR HOWES? I dunno...

 > I've done the whole "bad dog" pick them up with their
 > accident and placing them with their accident in the
 > back yard, but they basically look at me like "what's
 > your problem?".

Yeah... that's HOWE COME you can't HOWESbreak them...

 > I've always read that you can only teach dogs through positive
 > reinforcement, IE give the a treat when they go outside.

No, Steve. Bribing dogs FAILS 10% of the time from the git go,
according to the US Military Marine Animals Corps...

 >  They know that when they go outside they often get a treat,

So do the dolphins Uncle Sam "trains." They LOSE 10% as
soon as they hit open water and FREE FOOD.

 > but they don't make the connection that they aren't
 > supposed to go inside.

Ahh, but they DO, they DID, they HAVE, and they'll CONTINUE
to DO DID AND HAVE as they will, so long as you continue to
restrict punish and try to force INNATE, NORMAL, NATURAL,

 > They know they are wrong if I catch them doing it,

That's a BIG problem, Steve. I thought you just said:
"I've always read that you can only teach dogs through
positive reinforcement but they still do it."

Perhaps what YOU consider "positive reinforcement" is
***, and what you consider "correction" is really,

 > remove "nospam" if you wan't to reply private.

You won't be gettin no answers from HOWER lying dog
abusing Punk Thug Cowards on HOWER forum, but they'll
gladly write you privately and advise you to hurt punish
confine scold, and even KILL your dogs, when NECESSARY.

 > Thanks.

Open Thank You to Jerry:

Hello, Jerry.

I've been reading your posts only occasionally for almost two years
since just before I decided to get our dog.  While your posts are very
scary to a peaceable person like myself, your Wit's End Manual is
logical and extremely helpful in looking at the world from the dog's
point of view, and I wanted to thank you.

I've owned, and continue to own, fish, birds, Persian cats, and ratties
for over 30 years.  None of my other animals would ever respond to the
types of dog training methods found in typical books.  In fact, most
would become wild, agitated, and fearful if such corrections and
isolation were used to "control" them.  It has always seemed odd to me
that people would think handling dogs required such a harsh approach or
***. I needed another way.

When I took home our 6-month old Chihuahua rescue, I decided to get rid
of the crate -- well, I left the door open anyway.  It took many months
for Monty to understand that the whole house was his den.  And it was
your manual that made the difference.  Basically I taught myself and my
family to stop responding and getting all upset about "accidents" -- to
just clean them up and keep an eye on the dog until we all understood
each other.  Monty had a hard time learning to communicate and would
mostly stare at us blankly when he wanted ANYTHING.

My confidence grew and we added another rescue - a 10 month old
Llhasa/Maltese mix, who had been confined to her crate days and nights
in a house full of noisy children.  She was matted and covered in fleas.
My daughter was beside herself when I asked her to let Kaylee stay with
her the first night we had her home  (I didn't want to upset Monty).
The very first night, when I went to check on them at 2 AM, Kaylee let
out a fierce warning bark at me (the intruder.)  I apologized and left
the room, glad to have a sentry guarding the "palace".

 From that moment on, Kaylee has learned who is family and who is
stranger, and has controlled and modified her barking on her own.  She
follows me everywhere.  Although she had no bowel/bladder control when
we first got her home, within days she understood "Outside?", and she
now sits right in front of me and BARKS when she wants to go out!  If I
am too busy, she goes down the line -- from husband, to daughter, to
son, until somebody understands her and takes her out!  She even tells
me when Monty wants to go out and when the cat is on the counter.

The major difference between Monty's training and Kaylee's training is
that I understood the methods better by the time we got Kaylee and did
not make the same mistakes.  We've owned dogs now for only 1-1/2 years.
No psychological problems with either of them.  We have a calm
household.  The dogs sleep together and look for each other.  I am now
working on the stranger aggression issue, praising them for doing such a
good job and telling them when someone is "friend" or a passerby,
"neighbor."  I notice that they often bark and then look at me for a
reaction now.

I wish I could convince others to at least seriously consider the
philosophy behind your methods in your Wit's End Manual.

Anyway, thank you.

Nan Karahoca

There is nothing fair nor beautiful, but takes something from thee to make
it so.