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Maybe leash, maybe not.

Post by Rock » Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:53:41



This sort of fits with the loose leash walking thread.

Five month old Maybe is far from good on leash - she bounces,
she's interested in all things shiny, she irrepressible in a
good way.

She doesn't even understand what a leash is, no matter how
many times she encounters its end when doing a vigorous
bounce.  She's C+ on recall (Something Shiny! sometimes gets
in the way.).

Loose leash walking is low priority to me, though it will
happen eventually.  That said, how do y'all feel about working
with a driven dog?  Curb, control, contain, use it, lose it?

--
--Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

 
 
 

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Post by Melinda Sho » Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:13:02



Quote:

>Loose leash walking is low priority to me, though it will
>happen eventually.  That said, how do y'all feel about working
>with a driven dog?  Curb, control, contain, use it, lose it?

I'm dealing with a different set of compulsivenesses than
you are, but I really can't walk a dog that's trying to hang
itself.  I also haven't found that training the dog to walk
like a mensch inhibits its interest in pulling like a train
in harness, so I like to do some leash training even if I'm
not expecting a lot of precision.  My dogs run the gamut
from chooses-to-heel to pulls-too-much.
--

      Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

 
 
 

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Post by BethInA » Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:13:27



Quote:
> This sort of fits with the loose leash walking thread.

> Five month old Maybe is far from good on leash - she bounces,
> she's interested in all things shiny, she irrepressible in a
> good way.

> She doesn't even understand what a leash is, no matter how
> many times she encounters its end when doing a vigorous
> bounce.  She's C+ on recall (Something Shiny! sometimes gets
> in the way.).

> Loose leash walking is low priority to me, though it will
> happen eventually.  That said, how do y'all feel about working
> with a driven dog?  Curb, control, contain, use it, lose it?

I remembering how many of the BC agility competitors used their leashes to
tug with the dogs while waiting for their turn.  Of course these dogs also
compete in obedience and have a perfect heel that they can turn on.  But I
think that having a dog like that means you want a dog with that special
drive and means that you should take special care to nurture it.
 
 
 

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Post by Janet Bos » Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:25:48



Quote:

>  Curb, control, contain, use it, lose it?

use it and curb/control it when needed!

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

 
 
 

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Post by Rock » Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:50:18



rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

Quote:

>>Loose leash walking is low priority to me, though it will
>>happen eventually.  That said, how do y'all feel about
>>working  with a driven dog?  Curb, control, contain, use
>>it, lose it?

> I'm dealing with a different set of compulsivenesses than
> you are, but I really can't walk a dog that's trying to
> hang itself.

I intended loose leash walking as a metaphor to working with
or against a dog's instinct to, say, be inquistive or show
some other form of individuality.

I see handlers place restrictions upon their dog, sometimes
confusing them, like "Here's the ball!  Sit, stay!  Here's
the ball!  Stay!  OK, get it!"  I see stuff like this often
in agility.

Quote:
> I also haven't found that training the dog to
> walk like a mensch inhibits its interest in pulling like a
> train in harness, so I like to do some leash training even
> if I'm not expecting a lot of precision.  My dogs run the
> gamut from chooses-to-heel to pulls-too-much.

That's the type of oberservation I'm interested it.  Thank
you.

--
--Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

 
 
 

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Post by Melinda Sho » Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:57:46



Quote:

>That's the type of oberservation I'm interested it.  Thank
>you.

I'm off to Fairbanks tomorrow.  One of the keynotes is going
to be on clicker training, and it ought to be pretty darned
interesting to see how the audience reacts.  A lot of
mushers still think that you deal with problems by biting a
dog's ear.
--

      Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

 
 
 

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Post by Rock » Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:19:36



rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

Quote:
> I'm off to Fairbanks tomorrow.

Wave as you fly over.

Quote:
> One of the keynotes is going
> to be on clicker training, and it ought to be pretty darned
> interesting to see how the audience reacts.  A lot of
> mushers still think that you deal with problems by biting a
> dog's ear.

What are they hoping to accomplish by biting the ear?

--
--Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

 
 
 

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Post by Melinda Sho » Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:25:08



Quote:

>Wave as you fly over.

Alas, it's US Airways so I'm taking the stupid route
(through Phoenix).

Quote:
>What are they hoping to accomplish by biting the ear?

The object is to get the dog to submit and there's some
folklore around ear-biting.  If you've seen "Snow Dogs" you
might remember a scene where Cuba Gooding, Jr is taught to
bite a dog's ear.  (If you haven't seen "Snow Dogs," don't
bother.)
--

      Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

 
 
 

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Post by Suja » Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:29:34


Quote:

> What are they hoping to accomplish by biting the ear?

Very disappointed in you, Matt.  Haven't you watched Snow Dogs?  Don't you
know that's how dogs correct each other, and how you show them that you're
the boss?

Suja

 
 
 

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Post by Rock » Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:06:42



rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

Quote:
>>What are they hoping to accomplish by biting the ear?

> The object is to get the dog to submit and there's some
> folklore around ear-biting.

Some sort of ill-conceived positive punishment thing I could
perhaps wrap my brain around, but the submission thing
harkens to enforced alpha/pack leadership and I donut get it.

Quote:
> If you've seen "Snow Dogs" you
> might remember a scene where Cuba Gooding, Jr is taught to
> bite a dog's ear.  (If you haven't seen "Snow Dogs," don't
> bother.)

I tend to not watch dog movies; those I've seen***me off.  
If it shows up on TV I'll give it a try.  I believe Snow Dogs
was filmed nearby, so I might know some of the 4 legged
actors.

--
--Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

 
 
 

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Post by Shell » Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:33:17




Quote:
> i thought they pinched each others' necks and went "tssst"?

Ha!

Quote:
> (something is telling me i so shouldn't go there, but, alas.)

You are eeevil.  

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

 
 
 

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Post by Suja » Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:46:10


Quote:

> You are eeevil.

That's what she gets for living with The EEEvil Red Dawg.

Suja

 
 
 

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Post by Shell » Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:50:03




Quote:
> i think it wears off on me when she shares my pillow. like osmosis
> only different. or maybe like cooties?

Thought control rays.  You should start wearing your tinfoil beanie
to bed.  

Helpfully,
--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

 
 
 

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Post by bethgs » Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:54:56



Quote:
> This sort of fits with the loose leash walking thread.

> Five month old Maybe is far from good on leash - she bounces,
> she's interested in all things shiny, she irrepressible in a
> good way.

> She doesn't even understand what a leash is, no matter how
> many times she encounters its end when doing a vigorous
> bounce.  She's C+ on recall (Something Shiny! sometimes gets
> in the way.).

> Loose leash walking is low priority to me, though it will
> happen eventually.  That said, how do y'all feel about working
> with a driven dog?  Curb, control, contain, use it, lose it?

> --
> --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

I try and control/channel drive.  However, due to the size of my dogs and
all of my old injuries they have to learn loose leash walking pretty darn
early.  And they can turn on a pretty, heads up, animated heel when doing
formal obedience.

Beth

 
 
 

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Post by Kathlee » Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:52:36


Quote:



>> Curb, control, contain, use it, lose it?

> use it and curb/control it when needed!

Seconded.  I have three extremely drive-y dogs.  You have to find an
activity to channel it.  For mine, flyball is their "use it".
Over-the-top enthusiasm and drive are not only tolerated but encouraged.
  Flyball is the rock and roll of dog sports.

I have to admit though that it was kind of embarrassing that my BCs and
a teammate's cattle dog X were carrying on flyball-style, screaming and
wailing about the unfairness of having to wait their turns to try dock
diving.

The retrievers were all staring at them...  "So do you guys have, like,
Tourette's or something?"

We need to work on that.