What, exactly, is CBB?

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What, exactly, is CBB?

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laborat.. » Fri, 03 Nov 2006 06:03:08



HOWEDY jeff you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal abusin punk thug coward active
acute chronic long term incurable mental case,


Quote:
> What, exactly, is CBB?

CBB are a pre***ely particular strident, obnoxious,
and ineffective group of self-professed "purely positive"
trainers who came here to CRUCIFY janet boss and her
miserable stinkin lyin animal abusin punk thug coward
mental case pals for agreein that paulie ***IN his
RESCUE DOG Muttley on accHOWENTA IT got DOG
AGGRESSIVE after only three OBEDIENCE TRAININ
LESSONS on janet's custom made pronged spiked pinch
***collar so IT could be TRAINED well enough to be
PLACED in a new HOWES witHOWET a KAT on
accHOWENTA, as per YOUR OWN POSTED CASE
HISTORY, you CANNOT TRAIN a dog not to chase an
*** innocent defenseless dumb critters despite their
CLICKER an COOKIES just like HOWE you can't despite
your SHOCK COLLAR and cookies, you miserable stinkin
lyin animal abusin mental case <{): ~ (  >

LIKE THIS, you freakin lyin dog abusin ignorameHOWES:


Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:58:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Squirrell chasing / Prey drive !!!!

Quote:

> A Loose Leash !?!   Are you kidding me ... this
> dog is ready to go and the site of a squirell he
> is gone loose leash, tight leash, no leash.
> He can see them clear as far as 5 blocks,
> in fact when a leaf blows he is ready to bounce.
> He sees a empty water bottle, or a sprinkle head
> on the grass as approaching he is tensing up
> because it just may be rocky the squirell.
> I think the e collar is appropiate here?
> Although I never used one on him.

Won't make any difference.

I've been using an e-collar with my JRT, and it's
worked wonders for his recall.  But the one time
he bolted after something small and ***, he paid
no attention to the collar until after he'd brought
it to bay.

Bear is a Jack Russell.  And I trust that when he's
in prey-drive, he'll not even hear me call him.

Jeff Dege.

               ------------------------

Hello Jeff,

Quote:


> > Ok.  You have the right to your opinion.

Dog training isn't a matter of OPINION, it's SCIENCE.

Quote:
> > That's fine.

NOT FINE, if you don't know the SCIENCE.

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> > I don't mean any offence.

Not to worry, you don't have to apologize for
having a difference of OPINION about hurting
intimidating and ***ing innocent defenseless
dumb critters.

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> I have been interacting with a particular strident,
> obnoxious, and ineffective group of self-professed
> "purely positive" trainers.

Water seeks it's own level, don't it.

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> So I tend to be a bit sensitive.

Naaah? A SENSITIVE NAZI??? BUNK!

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> As for my opinion,

Your opinion is welcome here on these
open unmoderated news groups.

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>  I generally agree with you.

That's convienient. IN FACT, it's MANDATORY
or the SCIENTIFIC METHOD will FAIL. Let's all
do the Monkey Macarena together so we know
what's up.

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> I just recognize that dogs are different,

Different from what? Children? Kats?

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> and that what works well for most dogs doesn't
> work for all.

That's because you're not familiar with the SCIENTIFIC METHOD:

LIKE THIS:

 Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
 Daylight Time


 Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
 Dog Training Method works.

 My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
 around the barbecue on the patio. I  used
this system on four different occasions.

 When she went out today, she looked
 everywhere else but the barbecue.
 Amazing, just amazing.

  I will write to Amanda about the video.

 I am really e***d to learn more, and
 understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
 that I am going about it the right way.

 Thanks again
 Paul

               ---------------

AND LIKE THIS:


Date: 21 Jan 2006 18:34:10 -0800

Subject: Chasing squirrels

I have not posted to the group for awhile but want to share my success
of teaching my dog Sunshine, who has a very high prey drive, to not go
after squirrels when on a walk.  It took a few trials but he can now
walk right past squirrels running up a tree or in a yard.

Using Jerry Howe's approach I used a sound to get his attention when
he saw a squirrel and then praised him and kept on walking past the
squirrel. Where we live in Michigan we lots of squirrels and he was
always wanting to chase them up a tree.  Jerry's approach of sound
and praise really works.

 I think the people who discount his methods have never tried the
method because it works everytine.  Sometimes it takes a little
practice to get the sound from different directions but I was able to
change Sunshine's behavior in just a week after we moved back to
Michigan.

Sunshine is a very sensitive dog so any physical corrections just won't

work but using sound and praise he is a really great dog who opens
doors, picks up things I drop, and and helps me a lot.  If you have a
behavior problem with your dog get a copy of Jerrry's manual and
solve your problem!
                             ------------
Here's HOWE COME you dog grHOWELS at you momma
an attacks innocent defenseless dumb critters, DESPITE your
SHOCK COLLAR,  jeffie:

Quote:


> >> Like assuming that physical reprimands are bad,

Yeah, like PRESUMING ANY behavior is BAD.
Dogs and children DO NOT DO BAD behaviors
they RESPOND in PREDICTABLE NORMAL
NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE
ways to situations and circumstances of their
environment which we create for them.

Quote:
> >> while ignoring misbehavior is good.

You can't train ANY behavior by IGNORING IT.

Quote:
> >> You simply can't assume that is the
> >> case for all dogs.

Not unless you was following the SCIENTIFIC METHOD, Jeff.

It's curiHOWES AN'T IT jeffie, HOWE YOU CAN'T
EVEN TRAIN YOUR OWN DOG despite your bag
o treats an your pronged spiked pinch ***an
SHOCK COLLAR <{): ~ ( >

Subject:  Info on ***chains

41 From:                Jeff Dege
Date:           Thurs, Feb 9 2006 8:43 am

Quote:


> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> So my dog is going to decide that sitting beside me is more
>> interesting than chasing the squirrel across the street
>> because he _trusts_ me?
> In a convoluted way, and in part, Lucy is right.  As Mary wrote,
> dogs put up with our human idiosyncrasies because we've built up
> a bond of trust.  And *not* chasing a squirrel is certainly a
> strange thing from a dog's POV.
> Lucy, though, thinks that every dog is a dog, and that my Aussie
> will react to a squirrel the same way a hound or a Huskie will.
> In my house, "trust" with a prey-motivated dog involves a leash.

Near is a Jack Russell.  And I trust that when he's
in prey-drive, he'll not even hear me call him.

                -----------------------------

       BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

Hi, Jerry.

I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
different spots Darwin practically *threw* the ***
ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
(just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
want to push and test me a little bit more).

For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
(Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
tho').

Best, ben

          ---------------------

SEE?

Here's your SUCCESS story, jeffie:

Quote:
> On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:15:50 -0600, Jeff Dege

> Off leash, he's fine, in some places.  We spend a good amount of
> time in  the yard, with him wearing only the electronic collar.
> And in the yard,  I've not needed to correct him since September.
> It's in those places where he isn't so fine that you need to work
> with him.  Until each one eventually becomes just another place.
> Presumably that's somewhere with so-called distractions?

One consequence of finding an aversive that works - that is actually
acting as a negative reinforcement instead of merely as an irritant -
is that it very quickly changes the behavior of the dog.

Lindsay writes about a study in which a number of dogs who suffered
from obsessive***ing were treated with a protocol using electronic
collars.  They had an 80% success rate - with a mean of six stims over
only a few weeks.

Dogs learn contextually - each behavior is learned only in
 the context that it is taught in.  We need to reteach the
behavior in many different contexts before it is learned in
any general sense.

But with the e-collar, Bear  has learned to stay close,
when told, or to come, when called, that if we never
 went anywhere new he'd appear to be perfectly trained.

I need to actively seek out new places, and new
distractions, in order to progress with his training.
                        -------
AIN'T THAT the same Jeff Dege who can't train his own dog
not to attack innocent defenseless dumb critters and grHOWEL
at his own mamma despite his shock collar and perfect come
command?

And AIN'T THAT "STUDY" PAID FOR BY THE SHOCK
COLLAR COMPANY to the POOREST BLACK UNIVERSITY
in the USA, jeffie? "The son of a slave, is a slave."

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

Too bad you don't know HOWE to train your dog
not to attack innocent defenseless dumb ...

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What, exactly, is CBB?

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laborat.. » Wed, 08 Nov 2006 06:07:22


HOWEDY sandy in OK,



Quote:



>> > Shrug. You must have been reading the "Durlene threads"

DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWTS <{): ~ ( >

Quote:
>>  Nope. I was reading, among other things,  a series of insults
>>  aimed at Janet - with "regulars" egging each other on.

janet is a INSULT. She's a pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal murdrein punk thug coward active acute
chronic long term incurable mental case <{}: ~ (  >

You got a LOTTA doGdameneD never comin here
an stirrin up these PATHETIC MISERABLE STINKIN
LYIN ANIMAL ***IN MENTAL CASES, sandy
in OK <{}: ~ ( >

Quote:
>> There was no "Durlene" involved.

That's IRRELEVENT.

We was talkin abHOWET HURTIN INTIMIDATIN
an ***IN innocent defenseless dumb critters
an LYIN abHOWET IT.

REMEMBER sandy in OK?

Quote:
>> >It seems to me that this group contains more flaming and obscenity,

INDEED?

Quote:
>>  Sorry, but I can't take that statement seriously unless you
>>  can provide me with QUOTES of the "obscenity", from
>> REGULAR POSTERS - other than Jack's use of the word
>> "cunt", and my asking Paul what the ***ing hell he was
>> thinking.

BWEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

Quote:
>>  Niether of which statements, incidentally, come
>>  even remotely close to what I read on CBB.

That's IRRELEVENT. sinofa*** is a pathetic miserable
stinkin lyin animal ***in active acute chronic punk
thug coward long term incurable mental case like janet.

Quote:
> Hmn, I mostly remember people questioning the methods
> used in the class and the supervision (or lack of) that allowed
> dogs to attack or try to attack other dogs on a fairly regular
> basis, and caused them to act out in that way (seemingly, from
> reading Janet's descriptions)

Oh well then, paulie is a liar and his dog Muttley is a dangerHOWES
Pit Bull cross who gotta be ***ERD on accHOWENTA he
DON'T LIKE gettin jerked an choked on janet's CUSTOM MADE
DEFECTIVE PRONGED SPIKED PINCH ***COLLAR.

Quote:
>  That's pretty on-topic for a dog behavior board.

INDEEDY. THAT'S ALL these pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal ***in mental cases know to talk abHOWET.

Quote:
>  I don't remember a lot of ***ly explicit stuff,

NO PROBLEMO. That wouldn't appeal to you anyHOWE.

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> but could be I skimmed over that.

Yeah.

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> Janet (on the CBB - not here) tends to frustrate and insult
> people which does sometimes result in other people insulting
> her back.

Naaaah?

Quote:
> I do remember one person getting a little steamed and calling
> names. But then again, I don't bother to count the number of
> times ***ers to *** me, calls me a***or insults my
> religious preference. And I certainly don't blame other posters
> on this group for his behavior.

Right, on accHOWENTA it's sandy in OK enterTRAININ these
pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal ***in mental cases.

Quote:
> Sandy in OK

What are you tryin to FIGGER HOWET, sandy in OK?:

Here's janet's PARTNER:

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

Quote:
sinofa*** writes:
> > What I have said- repeatedly - is that he
> > took posts from two different people,
> > took pieces of them out of context,

Of curse. QUOTED. You wanna see it in context?

Quote:
> > cobbled them together,

No. There was WON DIRECT QUOTE.

Quote:
> > then added his own words:

"Neatly," and "Smartly."

Quote:
> > and a fake signature.

"sinofa***" instead of sionnach.

Quote:
> > Which is exactly what he did.

INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you deny it.

Quote:
> > The actual quote is misleading

That so?

Quote:
> > when taken out of context,

We'd been talkin abHOWET beatin the dog with a shoe...

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> > and Jerry's faked "quote"

The WON sinofa*** totally DENIES.

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> > is downright meaningless.

Only if you're a MENTAL CASE.

 Here's Jerry's version

 "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
 Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
 Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
 Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
 Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
 Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
 Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofa***.

  Here's yours:

 "I dropped the leash, threw my
 right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
 grabbed her opposite foot with my
 left hand, rolled her on her side,
 leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
 nipped her ear.
 --Sara Sionnach

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

See?


Quote:
> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing.  He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss



Quote:


> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

Quote:
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAAA!!!

Quote:
>  and trying to read any of the groups infested
>  with our resident mental patient

 "I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
 I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9."

You're quite the EXXXPERT dog trainer, AIN'T YOU.

Quote:
> (all of those posts are originating from one disturbed individual


Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST

Quote:
> And Sally responded:
> > Who said that? I would never do or recommend
> > that, and neither would most of the regulars on here.
> > Sally Hennessey

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

Quote:
> I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed to do so.
> Take it out of context and you'd think I was flinging puppies
> across the room!

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

Quote:
> here's what I said (keep in mind that we're talking about
> a 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
> A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> very persistant.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very
persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the
loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight
shake to the *skin*".

Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

        "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
        Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
        A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
        But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
        author: "CourteHOWES Canine."

        "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
        your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
        as possible. What  does this mean?

        When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
        spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
        away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
        ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
                       --Mike Dufort
                author of the zero selling book
                "CourteHOWES Canines"