"Critical" socialization period

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"Critical" socialization period

Post by The Puppy Wizar » Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:46:41



HOWEDY leah,


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> >Apparently you missed the point of what I said:

Comes with the terrortory, Lee.

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> I've never been to a socialization class
> that hadn't been properly supervised.

BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

Your SOCIALIZATION and PAW PATROL
is HOWE COME that RECENT GRADUATE
STUDENT Rottie RECENTLY ***ED
a little innocent DEAD DOG in the park.

REMEMBER, leah?

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> However, I'm sure there are incompetent
> trainers out there running them.

Ask your RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie's
mom. She was fixin to *** her own dog, and
she may have to soon as AVOIDING his PRAY DRIVE
makes him aggressive on lead.

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>  Just like there are classes out there using harsh
>  jerks on prong collars to teach dogs to sit.

Like HOWE you done, leah?

Your dog yelped and you said she was SURPRISED,
not HURT when you CHOKED HER on your pronged
spiked pinch ***collar.

REMEMBER leah?

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>  It doesn't negate the need for socialization.

You recently took YOUR OWN DOG to a
BEHAVIORIST for her FEAR AGGRESSION
of CRITERS on leash and IT DIDN'T WORK.

REMEMBER, leah?

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> >Leah:>I've met far too many dogs who react
> >fearfully and aggressively simply because
> >they were not properly socialized as young pups.

THAT'S on accHOWENT of mishandling
the dog in your "classes," not socialization.

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> >How do *you* know?  To me that's merely your
> >knee-jerk reaction, based on your misunderstanding
> >about what socialization is.  You can't say with
> >100% assurance that these behaviors are caused
> >by lack of "proper socialization" and not by some
> >other contributing factor, including "PR"type training.

Like what CAUSED that RECENT GRADUATE
STUDENT Rottie had since IT was ten weeks old.

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> > There may be a multitude of other factors involved
> > having nothing to do with the "critical" period.

Like leah's PAW PATROL.

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> Of course, there could be a lot of reasons why

You mean HOWE COME.

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> a dog is fear-aggressive.

ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR.

ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

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> But what I'm talking about are dogs that I've worked with,

Like your own fear aggressive HOWETA CON-TROLL
dogs and that RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie?

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> whose fearful or aggressive responses to other dogs

Like PRAY DRIVE, leah?

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> were diminished or eliminated (pups) with
> simple socialization work.

Like that RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie, leah?

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> >Leah:>So saying that socialization classes
> >should be outlawed is, to me, the height of ignorance.

Yeah. That's HOWE leah feeds her dogs...

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> > Sure, because your beliefs about socialization
> > are based on studies and opinions by "experts"
> > that have since been discredited.

> My "experts" have not been discredited.

BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

Here's your MENTOR talkin abHOWET your
HERO dr dunbar:

Lynn K.:
 In a talk on dog-dog aggression on 5/27.
 Given his propensity for repeating himself
 verbatim, I'll bet he's also written it somewhere :-)

My biggest take-home from that evening actually
came from a brief conversation with Tricia999 &
some co-workers afterwards.

They confirmed my experience that "growl classes"
don't have a lasting impact on the reactivity of dog
aggressive dogs.

Our common experience was that the desensitization
only lasted for the session and didn't carry forward.

Lynn K.

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> And also my beliefs are not based solely on the written word,

You mean, like THIS?:

  "Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
  Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
  lynn.

     lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
    For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
    pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.
    When he barks, use the line for a correction.

  - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

   Lynn K.

"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:

"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue


Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20

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>  How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.

Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong  - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.  Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog.   I think a prong works
better than a ***with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use.   Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars.  At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."

8)  Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog.   I think a prong
works better than a ***with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation.   Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).

If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.

This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag.   (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."

"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake.  I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.

Should I have refused to groom them?

Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."

Lynn K.



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> >> Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
> >> quotes are true.

> >> In the posts below you take responsibility for
> >> making those calls.

> >> In your post above, you state you do not
> >> make those calls.

> >>Which one is it?

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> but personal experience.

Like your RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie
who JUST RECENTLY ***ED a little innocent
DEAD DOG at the park, leah?

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> > To me it's not ignorance to want to outlaw such
> > classes, but plain common sense.  What's
> > ignorant is consistently ignoring the information
> > that's right there in front of your eyes (if you'd only
> >  look at it), and relying instead on outdated, discredited
> > ideas from so-called experts.  Now *that's* ignorance.

We got the corner on the IGNORANCE market,
here abHOWETS. It's a rpdb CONvention.

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> So tell me again how this has been discredited?


"Remember this - The decision to "do right" that most
helps a dog's character is the decision that he makes
himself. You cannot teach a dog to not want something,
any more than you can teach a human not to  want
something."

 "I'm a Koehler-based trainer and used almost
  exactly the same techniques with my very dog
  aggressive ***.

  2.  I have often rejected many of Koehler's Capt.
  13 methods, from his response to digging to tieing
  things in a dog's mouth.

  FWIW, I use almost none of Koehler's training
  techniques, having found methods I prefer, but
  still find much value in his approach to dogs.

  Briefly, I didn't refer to Koehler and didn't
  mean Koehler when I used the term
  "confrontational".

   Natalie, it is next to impossible to form any kind
   of educated opinion on the work of the late Wm.
   Koehler from what is said or quoted in this newsgroup.

   The conclusion you have reached illustrates that.

   "Remember this - The decision to "do right" that
   most helps a dog's character is the decision that
   he makes himself."

   Personally, I'm not a Koehler trainer,
   I don't use a ***chain, and I don't
   believe a dog learns anything by being
   hung.

  Please don't make the mistake of believing Jerry's
  characterization of me or any other trainer.  He has
  never met any of us and has no idea how anyone
  here actually trains.

   Jerry labelling someone as a Koehler type
   doesn't make it so.

   Lynn K.

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>   I must have missed it.

Yeah. Perhaps your anti psychotic medication
was CONfHOWENDING you? Try THIS:

                       WORDS OF WISDOM
                 from our own Lynn Kosmakos
  1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
                         For Twenty Years

       I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

  "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression)
  requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every
  day.

  I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn
  more, while happily sharing pertinent information
  I have learned.  But if I were ever to post such sh*t,
  I would hope that every other reader of this group
  would be rightfully outraged."

  "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
   the right to participate in by observing the
   easily understood rules and contributing to in
   constructive ways."

   Lynn K.

-----------------------------------------

  "It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
  - she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
  a comment she made about scarey side effects of
  Lithium.  Hardly.  After 17 years on it, I think
  I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
  any side effect is far less frightening than the
  very real dangers of life without it."

  Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------

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> >Leah:>Um... boggle.  A dog who is socialized to
> > many different breeds will be comfortable with
> > many different breeds.  A dog who is not probably
> > will not.

That's ABSURD. Like that RECENT GRADUAT STUDENT
Rottie's RECENT SUDDEN PRAY DRIVE KICKIN IN and
***IN a little innocent DEAD DOG in the park.

REMEMBER?

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> >Boggle?

Boggle my ass.

leah's PAW PATROL is HOWE COME that
RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie FEARED
that little DEAD dog and TRIED to *** his
brother.

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> > It's not about being comfortable or uncomfortable
>> with "different breeds", it's about being comfortable
> > or uncomfortable around individual dogs.

Like leah's RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie?

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> Which means they should be exposed to different
> breeds, since they all communicate somewhat differently.

Sez you? Your own dog bit you five times.

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>  For example, some dogs have tails, some
> don't.  The ear movements are all different
> depending on the ear shape.  How can you
> tell if a really fuzzy chow is pilo-erecting?

Perhaps you could tell if you took a good look
up his arse, leah?:


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Subject: I Saw A Baby Corgi Butt!!!

Okay, so the owner thought I was nuts. :}

A 9-week old corgi came into the store today.  I said,
"I've heard that there's nothing cuter on earth than a
baby corgi butt, so I have to see," and kneeled down to
look at the backside of the pup.

Ohmygoodness!!!  That *is* terminally cute!!!

PetsMart Pet Trainer

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> > No one is saying that dogs shouldn't be socialized.
> > All I'm saying is that your view of what socialization
> > means is skewed.

Ask that little DEAD DOG in the park.

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> So this is another case of you're right,
> the rest of the world is wrong?

ONLY ACCORDING TO YOUR CASE HISTORY DATA.

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> Isn't the one black marble in the bowl of white
> marbles usually the one that's considered different?

Ask that DEAD DOG your RECENT GRADUATE
STUDENT RECENTLY ***ED, leah.

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> > It has nothing to do with making the dog familiar
> > with other breeds, or getting him used to "***-eared"
> > dogs, etc.  The imprinting takes place in the litter.

Of curse.

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> >That's the only aspect of socialization that could
> >be possibly be construed as being critical.

Right.

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> Mountains of evidence contradict you.

BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

Sez you, who can't even tell marie HOWE to
train her dog Macula not to C-HOWENTER
SURF?

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> > And if the dog is handled properly, with an
> > understanding of how the canine mind really
> > works, even missing *that* period of socialization
> > in the litter can be overcome.

As in the cases of orphaned hand raised pups.

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> You really think that a human can teach a dog
> to understand other dogs?

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

                  A Dog Is A Dog As A Kat Is A Kat
                           As A Birdie Is A Birdie
                            As A Child Is A Child
                 As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

                 ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE
                      CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

       Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
            We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
                  And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

         In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
                       FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
                               SAME SAME,
         For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

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> Canine Action Dog Trainer
> http://www.moonsgarden.com/

Ask that little innocent DEAD DOG in the park, leah.

HOWEDY lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,



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> > But it is their nature to oppose you.

> Not only is that view of dogs incorrect, it's incredibly sad.

Sad? You want SAD?

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

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> Cooperation is the nature of all pack animals.

INDEED?

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> It led the 1st canine to approach the human campfire

And discovered your pronged spiked
pinch ***and shock collar?

 lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
  For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
  pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.
  When he barks, use the line for a correction.

  if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

 Lynn K.

HOWE come you don't bribe the dog
to be quiet when you lock IT in a box
and ignore it or when trainin IT to be
pals with the HOWEskat instead of
jerkin and *** and shocking IT?

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>  and has only been increased by all the
> generations of dogs who have been
> selectively bred for their cooperative nature.

Oh? You mean like your own SELECTIVELY
BRED HAND PICKED and TESTED SAR dog
JIVE who gets HIGH SCORES while COOPERATIN
in the ring where you practice daily jerking and
*** and shocking him and FLUNKED SAR
trainin cause HE KNOWS YOU CAN'T HURT
HIM if you don't know where the FIND is?

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> Opposition only occurs when a dog is anxious &
> confused because they can't figure out how to
> cooperate with the stupid human who can't
> communicate it to them.

That so?

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.)  But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.
---------------------------------

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>  It doesn't matter what training method is followed -

Well THAT'S certainly a RELIEF cause otherWIZE
you'd probably RUIN your own SAR dog by jerkin
chokin and shockin IT.  Wouldn't you.

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>  any decent owner/handler/trainer

Like yourself and Master Of Deception blankman?

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> will avoid confrontation if at all possible.

INDEEDY!

THAT'S HOWE COME you *** dogs
and won't TALK BUSINESS with The Amazing
Puppy Wizard.

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> Many never experience any opposition at all,
> for the entire life of their dogs.  The smart ones
> realize that if they do get opposition, it's because
>  they failed to utilize the dogs nature.

But of curse!

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> Lynn K.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{) ; ~  )  >