Dog eating kitty litter "by-products"

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Dog eating kitty litter "by-products"

Post by Colette Keit » Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:00:00



Help!  Can anyone advise me why our dog Roxy insists on helping himself
to cat turds out of the litter box?  He eats them unless I can take them
away from him.  So you can assess my situation, here is Roxy's home
environment.  The obvious solution is to place the litter box so that it
is inaccessible to the dog, yet still accessible for the cat, but I have
not been 100% successful at this.  Because of the way our house is, I
can't have the litter box where the cats can go but not the dog, unless
I mount the litter box halfway up a wall or something ;-)

Roxy is a 6-month old "pound puppy", a cross between a Rottweiller and a
Boxer.  While still a puppy, he is surprisingly obedient in most other
areas.  He was crate-trained quickly, and now has run of the house.
He's good natured and seems to like everyone (though he was afraid of
the Snowman next door last week!).  In other words, he doesn't appear to
have any real behavi***problems aside from his disgusting love of cat
turds.  (Aside from a sniff or two, he ignores his own turds when
out-of-doors.)

We have one 13-year old Siamese and two 11-month old Tonkinese cats, a 4
month old baby and ourselves.  Roxy gets as many walks as I can fit into
the week (he'll get more when the weather gets better and I can see the
sidewalks again), and gets fed "Puppy Chow" once in the morning and once
at supper-time, with a few dog bisquits inbetween.  He has as many chew
toys as he wants.

So why does he insist on this absolutely disgusting behaviour?  

Any ideas, and any ideas on how to break him on this?  Thanks.

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Barnar » Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> Help!  Can anyone advise me why our dog Roxy insists on helping himself
> to cat turds out of the litter box?  

It's very, very simple.  If you're a dog they taste great!  They are
kitty finger-food, without the fingers.  That's one big difference
between dogs and people.

        Steve Barnard

 
 
 

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Post by Mark S. Ha » Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> Help!  Can anyone advise me why our dog Roxy insists on helping himself
> to cat turds out of the litter box?  He eats them unless I can take them
> away from him.  So you can assess my situation, here is Roxy's home
> environment.  The obvious solution is to place the litter box so that it
> is inaccessible to the dog, yet still accessible for the cat, but I have
> not been 100% successful at this.  Because of the way our house is, I
> can't have the litter box where the cats can go but not the dog, unless
> I mount the litter box halfway up a wall or something ;-)

> Roxy is a 6-month old "pound puppy", a cross between a Rottweiller and a
> Boxer.  While still a puppy, he is surprisingly obedient in most other
> areas.  He was crate-trained quickly, and now has run of the house.
> He's good natured and seems to like everyone (though he was afraid of
> the Snowman next door last week!).  In other words, he doesn't appear to
> have any real behavi***problems aside from his disgusting love of cat
> turds.  (Aside from a sniff or two, he ignores his own turds when
> out-of-doors.)

> We have one 13-year old Siamese and two 11-month old Tonkinese cats, a 4
> month old baby and ourselves.  Roxy gets as many walks as I can fit into
> the week (he'll get more when the weather gets better and I can see the
> sidewalks again), and gets fed "Puppy Chow" once in the morning and once
> at supper-time, with a few dog bisquits inbetween.  He has as many chew
> toys as he wants.

> So why does he insist on this absolutely disgusting behaviour?  

> Any ideas, and any ideas on how to break him on this?  Thanks.

Well, I don't know why, and I don't know how to break it, but my dog had
the same problem.  My girlfriend simply got a kitty litter box and rigged
a cardboard tunnel to it.  The dog could no longer stick his head in and
the problem was solved.
         _______________
         |              |
   -------              |      
                        |
   ------|              |
    ||   |              |
    ||   _______________

As you can see from the crude drawing ;) the litter box is one of those
covered ones with one exit/entry hole.  The cardboard tunnel is held up by
another cardboard box as a support.  It may be a bit drastic, but since
neither my girlfriend or I are home very much during the day to break the
dog of the habit, it was our only option.

Hope this helps.  

--Mark

 
 
 

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Post by Amy E. Cavende » Sun, 23 Mar 1997 04:00:00


Every dog that I have owned has seemed to enjoy the *granola bars* from
the cat box.  My only solution has been to make the litter box
inaccessible to the dog, as you said.

Good luck.

Amy

Quote:

>Help!  Can anyone advise me why our dog Roxy insists on helping himself
>to cat turds out of the litter box?  He eats them unless I can take them
>away from him.  So you can assess my situation, here is Roxy's home
>environment.  The obvious solution is to place the litter box so that it
>is inaccessible to the dog, yet still accessible for the cat, but I have
>not been 100% successful at this.  Because of the way our house is, I
>can't have the litter box where the cats can go but not the dog, unless
>I mount the litter box halfway up a wall or something ;-)

>Roxy is a 6-month old "pound puppy", a cross between a Rottweiller and a
>Boxer.  While still a puppy, he is surprisingly obedient in most other
>areas.  He was crate-trained quickly, and now has run of the house.
>He's good natured and seems to like everyone (though he was afraid of
>the Snowman next door last week!).  In other words, he doesn't appear to
>have any real behavi***problems aside from his disgusting love of cat
>turds.  (Aside from a sniff or two, he ignores his own turds when
>out-of-doors.)

>We have one 13-year old Siamese and two 11-month old Tonkinese cats, a 4
>month old baby and ourselves.  Roxy gets as many walks as I can fit into
>the week (he'll get more when the weather gets better and I can see the
>sidewalks again), and gets fed "Puppy Chow" once in the morning and once
>at supper-time, with a few dog bisquits inbetween.  He has as many chew
>toys as he wants.

>So why does he insist on this absolutely disgusting behaviour?  

>Any ideas, and any ideas on how to break him on this?  Thanks.

 
 
 

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Post by DoggieWe » Sun, 23 Mar 1997 04:00:00


Cats usually get to eat more palatable food than dogs.  Your cat's poop
can contain semi-digested food.  As a result your cat's poop is fair game
for a good meal.

The only success I've seen with this problem is to make the litter
inaccessible as you said.  Two ways to do this:
One, put the litter box on a dresser, shelf, counter, or any where
"half-way up the wall" as you said.  Another suggestion is to buy a litter
box that has a cover.  Point the opening toward a wall corner so that the
cat has to jump on top of the litter box to reach the front/opening in the
corner.  Placing a few chairs, small tables, or other obstacles next to
the litter box to make it more difficult for your dog would also help.  If
your dog is *very* determined - he'll get to that poop somehow<g>, unless
it is UP out of the way.  But many dogs do not go to such extremes - but
if it's there under their nose - they will usually dine.

Brandy

http://members.aol.com/brandynjoe
Waya, Tsuwa, Saloli & Cane Kitty!

 
 
 

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Post by Cynolog » Sun, 23 Mar 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
Colette writes:
>The obvious solution is to place the litter box so that it
>is inaccessible to the dog, yet still accessible for the cat, but I have
>not been 100% successful at this.

This isn't too tough if you have at least one separate room, even a large
closet with a door where the litter tray can be kept.  The trick is to
estimate how far the door must be opened in order to let the cat in but at
the same time keep the dog out.

Now, obtain two *** door stops and place one of them on the inside of
the door and one on the outside -- get it.  This works very nicely and
your cat will be most grateful not having the dog root through her toilet.

Cyno

No free consults. Donate or volunteer at a no-kill shelter.

 
 
 

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Post by Alicia A. Kna » Sun, 23 Mar 1997 04:00:00


<snip>

Quote:
>So why does he insist on this absolutely disgusting behaviour?  
>Any ideas, and any ideas on how to break him on this?  Thanks.

Gee whiz .... I'm afraid you're not going to like my answer. <BEG>

As a veteran zoo-director (OK, not quite, but visiting kids think of
our pet-laden home this way ...) I don't  think there IS any option
other than making the catbox inaccessible. The story I've heard is
that the high-protein cat diet makes their "by-products," as you put
it, utterly irresistible to the canine palate. (I'm not sure I buy
this theory - it doesn't explain my dogs' obsession with the equine
manure pile!)

In our home, we have the boxes on a counter-top in the laundry room.
Would this work for you? If not, I'll offer some other ideas, and
we'll see what you think.

How fat are the cats? <BEG>

Is there a room that could stand a box in, that has a door, like the
bathroom? Or maybe a closet? You can mount a security chain (the kind
apartment-dwellers used to peek at unexpected visitors before
peepholes) to keep the door open enough for a cat, but not the dog. I
use this method on our bedroom door both to prevent the dogs partying
at 2:00am, and the cats' howling at the affrontery of a <gasp> closed
door!

If an entire room is not feasible, you could adapt this method for a
cabinet, somewhere. (The kitchen is full of them ... but I could
imagine that this is a less than appealing location! Maybe there's a
large vanity in the bathroom?) You could use the chain on the cabinet
door to restrict access.

The biggest draw-back to this idea is that if the door swings =out= a
curious dog could be shutting the thing all the time ... which would
be bad, no matter which side the cats are on. In my bedroom, a sneaker
wedges into the opening real well - but perhaps you have higher
easthetic standards than we have in the zoo?  ;->  I'm sure you could
wedge it with a door-stop or something.

The second-biggest drawback is that I don't know whether Roxy would
see this arangement as the world's greatest challenge to his
ingenuity. You know better than I whether his litterbox attraction is
stronger than his inhibitions to dismantling the furniture.

(A cat-door would also work in these situations, if you're not averse
to chopping holes in the doors.)

Good Luck! (I TOLD you you wouldn't like my answer ...<g>)

Alicia Knapp,
The DoberGRLs, Echo and Mako
and The Dog of Eternal Stench, Boomer, in
Anoka, MN
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Home is where the dogs are.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 
 
 

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Post by Funt » Sun, 23 Mar 1997 04:00:00


We solved this problem by putting the catbox in the bathtub, then putting
a long hook on the door so that the door is lkeft open just enough for the
cats to get through- and not the dog....

Waht is it about 'tootsie rolls' that dogs fing soo appealing?  

 
 
 

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Post by celli24.. » Sun, 23 Mar 1997 04:00:00


Pepper.  Lots of Pepper.

C***te

 
 
 

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Post by Nancy E. Holmes or R. Nelson Ruffi » Sun, 23 Mar 1997 04:00:00


I use a baby gate to separate the dogs from the cat goodies - cats go over
the gates but dogs are not allowed to.
Cat digestive systems are not as efficient as some. They need a higher
calorie higher quality food to get enough nutrition and they do not absorb
all the nutrition available in the foods we feed them. Thus the 'cat
crunchies' are deliciously full of undigested stuff that dogs naturally
desire to eat.  Given the opportunity dogs will also eat horse manure, and
goat or rabbit droppings and even human excrement among many other yucky
'delicious' treats. One of the guesses for reasons we kept dogs around to
begin with is they helped keep the camp site clean!
Nancy



Quote:
> We solved this problem by putting the catbox in the bathtub, then putting
> a long hook on the door so that the door is lkeft open just enough for
the
> cats to get through- and not the dog....

> Waht is it about 'tootsie rolls' that dogs fing soo appealing?  

 
 
 

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Post by SAN33 » Mon, 24 Mar 1997 04:00:00


My German Shepard/Hound mix puppy does the same thing.  I tried all the
techniques mentioned in the group and nothing worked!  I've solved it
moving the litter boxes to a corner in the ba***t and by building a
"fence/wall" to block them off from the dog.  I just took a couple of
boards and 2 x 4's and nailled them together.  The cats can walk through
and the dog can only sniff.  Good luck.

Sue

 
 
 

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Post by dogsnu » Tue, 25 Mar 1997 04:00:00



Quote:

> I use a baby gate to separate the dogs from the cat goodies - cats go over
> the gates but dogs are not allowed to.
> Cat digestive systems are not as efficient as some. They need a higher
> calorie higher quality food to get enough nutrition and they do not absorb
> all the nutrition available in the foods we feed them. Thus the 'cat
> crunchies' are deliciously full of undigested stuff that dogs naturally
> desire to eat.  Given the opportunity dogs will also eat horse manure, and
> goat or rabbit droppings and even human excrement among many other yucky
> 'delicious' treats. One of the guesses for reasons we kept dogs around to
> begin with is they helped keep the camp site clean!
> Nancy

Excellent post Nancy! Id also like to add something. The really fine
kitty litter can cause a serious blockage in a dog. It is intended to
absorb moisture, which is what is does when it's swallowed. Then look
out! Champ spent the weekend at the emergency clinic because of this.
The vet told me that the finer litter causes more problems than the
courser kind. Keeping the dog away from the litter is essential.
Terri
 
 
 

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Post by Jaym » Tue, 25 Mar 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> >Help!  Can anyone advise me why our dog Roxy insists on helping himself
> >to cat turds out of the litter box?  He eats them unless I can take them
> >away from him.  So you can assess my situation, here is Roxy's home
> >environment.  The obvious solution is to place the litter box so that it
> >is inaccessible to the dog, yet still accessible for the cat, but I have
> >not been 100% successful at this.  Because of the way our house is, I
> >can't have the litter box where the cats can go but not the dog, unless
> >I mount the litter box halfway up a wall or something ;-)

<snippy>

We turned our covered boxes towards corners in the rooms they're in. The
cats can still get to them but the dogs can't.

Quote:
> >So why does he insist on this absolutely disgusting behaviour?  

Because they can't buy the Almond Roca at the store :)

Jayme
Keeper of the treats.
Mom to Amber, Mittsy, Nikki, and Sneakers
Stepmom to Sabrina and Sylvia

 
 
 

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Post by Kbrook0 » Tue, 25 Mar 1997 04:00:00


The reason that your dog is eating the "by-products" is becasue there is
something in there that seems good to him.  It is a common occurence in
puppies to eat their own feces or others.  A way for you to solve this
problem is to buy a product called FORBID.  it is a food additive tat you
can put into the cats food.  When the dog sniffs the "by-products", he
will not eat them again.  This product can be obtained probably thru your
vet (at a higher price) or yu can call the Omaha Vaccine Company (1800 367
4444) and order them there (13.10 for 12 treatments, plus shipping, item #
04689)
HOPE THIS HELPS.

 
 
 

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Post by MaryJ » Thu, 27 Mar 1997 04:00:00


The tunnel idea sounds great!!! I have had the same problem off and on with
South Paw (GSD). He got a real bad case of diahrea from this and ran up a
large vet bill. I was also told by the vet and the dog trainer that cat
food and cat poop are both very bad for dogs as cat food is more
concentrated than dog food and they have a hard time digesting it. He said
this is also why they seem to love it so much. I fixed this by putting the
litter box, a covered one, on top of the dog kennel in the laundry room. It
faces the wall so he can't get in that way. At least he's not interested in
his own poop. I live in a really small house right now so space is a
problem but when I move I'll keep in mind the tunnel idea.
MJ