Pit bulls vs Am. Staffordshires

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Pit bulls vs Am. Staffordshires

Post by The Puppy Wizar » Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:46:01




Quote:


> <so you've only had experience with dogs you've owned? you never
learned
> a thing from dogs you worked with?>

> Kelly, name the ASTs here --->  <---- that gave Diane the
'extensive
> experience'
> that you say she has with ASTs.  To my knowledge, she doesn't
> particularly care for them, has never titled one, owned one,
trained
> one,  and doesn't live with them.  This is to take nothing away
from
> Diane, but to try to get you to back up what you previously
stated.  Say
> she has extensive experience with pit bulls, and you have no
argument
> from me.  Say she has extensive experience with ASTs, and I'd
like to
> know which dogs provided that experience.

> Debbie

"AGGRESSION" Vs "NORMAL" 'Gamebred' Pit/Staffordshire AGGRESSION

Date: 1999/09/10

Hello Ludwig,

Guess you already know why I'm here, so I'll just
cut to the good stuff..

Quote:
> ?
> This isn't aggressive behavior as usually seen in
> other dog breeds, but rather a modified predatory
>  behavior.? Think of it as a Terrier with a rat, a
> Lurcher with a rabbit, a Brittany with a bird, an
> Akita with a cat.

I don't believe that's true, Ludwig. You guys like
to classify and categorize and come up with all
these stupid ideas that fit dogs into neat little
pigeon holes, but the only thing that really belongs
in pigeon holes are pigeons. Not people, not dogs,
just pigeons.

Your hypothesis is strictly for the birds.

What right has an Akita to eat a cat? Or a Lurcher
to eat my bunny, or a terrier to eat my rat? If there
is a behavior in dogs that is undesired, then the
JOB of a trainer is to break the behavior, not make
freaking stupid excuses for it and NOT clamp down
on the dog to force control, to avoid the problem.

Quote:
> It would be an incorrect assessment to think of
> aggression in a 'gamebred' Pit/Staffordshire in
> the same way as other dog aggression issues.?

That's sheer idiocy from a koehler trainer.

Quote:
> You kill and eat lunch.? Aggressive behavior displays
> (territorial, fear, ***, possession, etc.) towards
> lunch are rather pointless, other than killing it of course.

No man, aggression is aggression, NOT EATIN.

I don't care who or what is the cause, if  there is
an undesirable behavior, the JOB requires that
it be dealt with properly.

That's the problem with you guys, you just don't
know HOWE to deal correctly with behavior problems...

You make excuses, build barricades, avoid the problem,
but you can't ever think of TRAINING ???

Quote:
> In a gamebred Pit/Staffordshire, the 'trigger' for
> aggression is the very existence of the other dog.
> Once it is aware of the existance of the other dog,
> it is too late to interrupt the predatory focus.

You're a FRAUD, lugnut.

Yes, it may be difficult to break, but there are ways
to deal with these things, Ludwig. It involves conditioning
and TIMING.

You just gotta know HOWE...

Quote:
> The effort has to then focus on control rather
>  than switching mental gears.

No man, YOU got to switch mental gears and
learn that forced control ONLY causes MOORE
out of control behavior.

Quote:
> I think there needs to be a distinction made between
> normal dog-dog aggression and predatory aggression.

 BWEEEEEAAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAA!!!

There you go again with more corrupt thinking.
I guess it makes the job easier if you've got excuses,
when you have no ideas and NO METHOD, hunh?

Quote:
> Predatory aggression is much harder if not impossible
> to control without some sort of physical corrections being
> given.

YOU MEAN HURT THE DOG, lugnut.

That's HOWE COME I've paid you another visit, Ludwig.
You didn't do so good.  I said I'd cut right to the good stuff,
and after all this, there isn't any good stuff at all.

And when it gets down to the bottom
line, it goes from nothing, to harmful.

You still got bad habits, Ludwig. What's wrong with
you? Why don't you just take your bonehead ideas,
and pigeon hole them with your bonehead "corrections,"
and freaking LEARN SOMETHING!

Quote:
> Ludwig Smith

> Dog FAQS
> http://www.moonsgarden.com/

> rec.pets.dogs.info

Here's a QUOTE from your FAQ'S pages:

"Many People Have Problems Getting The
Pinch Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough,
Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs
Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch:
You Must Keep The Pressure Up," sindy "don't
let the dog SCREAM" mooreon, author of HOWER
FAQ's pages on k9 web.

Here's sindy *** MOOREON's PARTNER in "rescue:"

  lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver: For barking in
  the crate - leave the leash on and pass it through the crate
  door.  Attach a line to it. When he barks, use the line for
  a correction.

 - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

  Lynn K.

Quote:
> ================

That's INSANE, ain't it?:

So's THIS:

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp Tap
Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If
He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

And THIS:

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author: "Courteous
Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your
dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible.
What  does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk away.
The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore him
and continue your normal behavior."

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

  --Mike Dufort
    author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines"

You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?

Quote:
>  I think you'll find that most are quite willing to
> discuss not only their programs,

YOU HURT and KILL DOGS, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

Quote:
> but others in your area that would be suitable for you.

Know what? The OP would do better askin a MENTAL
CASE off the street than relyin on you and you MENTALLY
ILL LYIN DOG ABUSIN PUNK THUG COWARDS:

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Quote:

>>"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in one
>>shelter.)  But their ability to set their own schedules and
>>duties causes a great deal of scheduling overhead.

>>And it takes effort and thought to ensure that volunteers
>>get the meaningful experience that they work for.

>>Someone has to be responsible for that Volunteer Program,
>>and it is best done by a non-volunteer."

>>Lynn K. ---------------------------------

>>"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed every
>>adoptable dog on intake.  I frankly felt that the
>>effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
>>older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted
>>condition.

>>Should I have refused to groom them?

>>Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who had to
>>make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."

>>Lynn K. --------------------------------------

"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.  I volunteered as
assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter for a
while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute to
that problem," Mustang Sally.

 I'll be you've never had to put down litters of beautiful
 labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe you'd be singing a
 different tune?

"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and put their
bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer for the trash
company to come and dispose of.

No different tune," ~Emily

Oh??? SEEMS HE WAS ASKIN MENTAL PATIENTS:

RPD* MeNTally Ill All_StaRz as of 12/21/03

NEW!!

LYNN K.  20 plus years on Lithium LOIS E.  25 plus years on
tricyclics

Hello Fans,

here is our latest NEW AND IMPROVED crazy person update,
including our latest mentally unstable person, Lois E. of Gary
and Lois fame who has been on Tricyclics pushing 25 years. She
is no longer afraid to talk about it.

Neither is Lynn K. who embraces her mental illness and opens
up about her 20 plus years on Lithium, as well as her love
afair with Zoloft.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! RPD* Ment_ally Ill All_StaRz as of 12/21/03

I TOO HAVE A BIPOLAR MOOD DISORDER (MANIC DEPRESSION) I ALSO
CARE ABOUT DOGS COMMUNITY IS AN EVOLUTIONARY THING

             WORDS OF WISDOM from our own Lynn Kosmakos

=======================================


complaints and goodbye


:
: Sheesh, if everyone would start taking responsibility for
: their own actions, wouldn't life be grand?

  "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder
   (manic-depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of
   Zoloft every day.  I, also, care about dogs and use this
   forum to learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
   information I have learned.  But if I were ever to post
   such sh*t, I would hope that every other reader of this
   group would be rightfully outraged."

  "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
   the right to participate in by observing the easily
   understood rules and contributing to in constructive ways."

   Lynn K.

I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIM
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LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar conversation on
Mental problems.  LYNN AND LOIS Almost 50 years on mental
illness medications combined

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Quote:
> But I think what Lois was referring to was the fact that
> Darlene actually stated at some point that she was
> bipolar--and, IIRC, that meds did not work for her--so she
> was prone to major-league ups

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Pit bulls vs Am. Staffordshires

Post by The Puppy Wizar » Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:24:26


HOWEDY debbie s,


Quote:

> <nope, only when the person doing the asking
> is being rude about it. >

Looks like kelly aka culprit is goin MENTAL on
us again, eh?

Quote:
> Where was I rude?

You asked an HONEST question. That'll get you
KILLFILED here abHOWETS.

Quote:
> Debbie

Here's HOWE COME:

Kelly/ culprit

  Systems engineer at Microsoft, owner of two pitbulls,
  proving that Bill Gates does not discriminate against crazy
  people or pit bull owners.

  psychotic features, panic and more. Coming forward so that
  others like her will have the strength to do the same. Like
  Charlie Wilkes, she is one of our most entertraining
  regulars

  Here, kelly/culprit talks to Mustang Sally about her mental
  illness/crazy problems. Sally is being rude and
  condescending (as usual) and trying to make kelly/culprit
  feel bad for being crazy, aka wacked in the head

culprit standing up for herself against rude and condescending
Mustang Sally -----------------------------------------------

  I WON'T DENY MY PROBLEMS, MUSTANG SALLY!

  "but i stand by the fact that OCD is an illness, major
  depression with psychotic features certainly is,  panic
  disorder is too.  and the other stuff just makes it all the
  more fun.

  i don't wallow in it.  i'm just now learning to accept it,
  because ignoring it wasn't working out too well.  i need to
  do that to make changes to my life so that i can become
  healthy.  and you say you're not trying to be condescending,
  but you're doing it again.  what i read was, (my
  paraphrasing) "people who think they're mentally ill are
  wallowing in their disabilities and letting them consume
  their life"

  you come across as though you would be able to handle any of
  these illnesses, and anyone who can't is just copping out.
  well we're all different.  and i don't accept your idea that
  i would have a more productive life if i denied my problems.
   i tried it for years, and believe me, it didn't work very
  well."


----------------------------------------------

MaryBeth FMVP (former most valuable psycho)

(super psycho *** lunatic queen of the mentally
***ed in the head)

Has contributed greatly to the annual profit results at
several large pharmaceutical corps has taken virtually
every mentally ill (crazy) drug treatment in the book,
and then some: prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar,
Xanax, effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers, clomid,

MaryBeth has suffered from or been:

  TIDAL WAVES OF PMS

  suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of PMS, mood swings,
  turned into a hermit, bloated, just real angry, hubby afraid
  of her, high *** pressure, divorced, "raving ***"
  "zoloft zombie" for four years, "living through layers and
  layers of gauze," chain smoker, buzzing, weight gain,
  fatigue, terrible dry mouth, dull headaches, fuzzy brain,
  lack of concentration..etc. severe depression, severe
  insomnia, Panic ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you
  name it...etc...

MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head aka mentally ill)
aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding! aka a superpsychotic
*** from hell

  I RAN OVER EVERYONE IN MY PATH

  "I know for a fact I went thru years of being overly
  sensitive, being a b*tch, being self centered, being self
  pitying, you name it, I was a wreck and I ran over everyone
  in my path."

  "<G> I do know the power of meds, especially on a long term
  basis, and it's not pretty. You become another person, if
  it's not the correct med for you.

            --All the best,
              MaryBeth

  DON'T TAKE ULTRAM AND ZOLOFT TOGETHER

  "Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my Rheumatologist told
  me that taking Ultram with it can cause seizures."

  "I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at times (cyclical)
  have severe insomnia, 'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to
  see my doc next Friday to test for menopause."

            --MaryBeth

  ME NOT SO HORNY

  "I noticed that antidepressants cut libido into the dead
  zone and I had no real emotions, like not laughing at funny
  stuff, couldn't cry either.....except about my suicidal
  thoughts (but at the time I thought there was no other way
  out)."

            --MaryBeth

  NEW TO GROUP

  "Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid today. I talked with
  RE and pharmacist re: zoloft (50 mg daily) and ineraction
  with Clomid. They reported none. Not sure about the prozac
  tho. Gonna poat a new message to intorduce myself :)"

           --MaryBeth <still feeling
             like herself> <G>

  WASTED 10 YEARS

  "I wasted about 10 years of my life, and lost many many
  treasured ppl and things. Please don't do the same.
  (((((((SCOUT))))))))))

           --MaryBeth

  WAS HORRIBLE

  "Slowly but surely my depression got worse and worse. They
  put me on meds for it, and all along kept telling me to wait
  on the TKR, as 'it really wasn't that bad.....yet". HA!" The
  depression got so bad, and lots of other things happened and
  my ex and I would up divorced four years after our move. It
  was horrible. The hardest thing I have eve gone thru"

           --MaryBeth

=============================================
=============================================

Theresa Willis

  (paxil, depression, robot displacement) Theresa is a gang
  banger who comes out of cutesy robot mode when it's time to
  gang attack people with her pal shelly Victim is usually
  Leah, but may be a random person.

=============================================
=============================================

shelly couvrette

  Severe OCD, depression, prescribed Paxil for mental illness,
  but claims she does not take it, resulting in an obsessive
  basket case online persona. Posts more than any other female
  in all dog newsgroups

   (familial mental illness, possibly related to family bed)
   obsessively starves her dogs according to friends, family,
   strangers and 3 different vets, but not herself (see
   below). Still thinks of herself as a five year old
   ballerina despite the fact that she is a fat *** in her
   mid thirties.

  PAGE ALL THE WAY DOWN FOR BONUS COVERAGE

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lynn kosmakos

     RPD* Enemy of Dogs #1

(Lithium, Zoloft, bipolar, manic, depression) will "put down a
biter as fast as anyone" yet claims to be a saintly dog
rescuer. ***s dogs because of insurance rates Her brother
was attacked by a Golden Retriever when she was young. For
this reason, she ***s easily trainable dogs. Condemns dogs
to death who are easily trainable with her "evaluations." Is
nice to people in person, but her true dog hating nature comes
out on newsgroups with extreme clarity.

Advocates shooting dogs on sight, when they chase deer. Sees
no other option. Her own dog Java had to be shocked with a
shock collar to keep him from chasing deer.

has been on lithium for approximately 20 years. Zoloft for an
undetermined number of years.

                           Words Of Wisdom
                         From lynn kosmokos.
                  1200mg LITHIUM 50mg ZOLOFT

   I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

  "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder
   (manic-depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of
   Zoloft every day.  I, also, care about dogs and use this
   forum to learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
   information I have learned.  But if I were ever to post
   such sh*t, I would hope that every other reader of this
   group would be rightfully outraged."

  WE EARN THE RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE

  "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
   the right to participate in by observing the easily
   understood rules and contributing to in constructive ways."

     Lynn K.

   I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

  "I particularly remember
   a comment she made about scarey side effects of Lithium.
   Hardly.  After 17 years on it, I think I'm qualified to say
   that the very low risk of any side effect is far less
   frightening than the very real dangers of life without it."

     Lynn K.


Subject: Re: Prozac - Good medication or no?

   I TAKE A SIMILAR DRUG MYSELF

   "Yes, for very specific behaviorial problems. I would have
   to trust my vet and behaviorist a lot, and be very sure
   that I had exhausted every other option before I used
   Prozac to deal with a dog problem - and I take a similar
   drug, Zoloft, myself."

    Lynn K.

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Leah

  Effexor for chronic depression, in denial about being
  mentally ill. Has taken several other mentally ill
  medications before settling on effexor for her chronic
  mental problems. Leah is improving as a dog trainer and
  wants to open her own training/boarding kennel soon and
  write a book.

  This drives her fellow mentally ill regulars nuts (read
  shelly Lynn K.), especially if Leah succeeds while other
  loonies continue to sit on their fat behinds

  Leah is a relatively stable crazy person but she just might
  be the agent that drives others to jump off of a cliff

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Tara Green

Tara Green is a dog trainer of sorts in New York City left
rpd* claiming that she could not afford internet access and/or
a computer, but her story is of value nonetheless

  was on antidepressants for a few years prior to her
  marriage. During her marriage, she learned a lot: "With the
  therapist I saw during my marriage I learned that some
  situational depressions are masked as chemical simply
  because of our too human ability to prolong the impact of
  the causal situations indefinitely"

  Sounds like more denial, see leah

  Tara is also a drunk
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