> <so you've only had experience with dogs you've owned? you never
> a thing from dogs you worked with?>
> Kelly, name the ASTs here ---> <---- that gave Diane the
> that you say she has with ASTs. To my knowledge, she doesn't
> particularly care for them, has never titled one, owned one,
> one, and doesn't live with them. This is to take nothing away
> Diane, but to try to get you to back up what you previously
> she has extensive experience with pit bulls, and you have no
> from me. Say she has extensive experience with ASTs, and I'd
> know which dogs provided that experience.
Guess you already know why I'm here, so I'll just
cut to the good stuff..
> This isn't aggressive behavior as usually seen in
> other dog breeds, but rather a modified predatory
> behavior.? Think of it as a Terrier with a rat, a
> Lurcher with a rabbit, a Brittany with a bird, an
> Akita with a cat.
to classify and categorize and come up with all
these stupid ideas that fit dogs into neat little
pigeon holes, but the only thing that really belongs
in pigeon holes are pigeons. Not people, not dogs,
Your hypothesis is strictly for the birds.
What right has an Akita to eat a cat? Or a Lurcher
to eat my bunny, or a terrier to eat my rat? If there
is a behavior in dogs that is undesired, then the
JOB of a trainer is to break the behavior, not make
freaking stupid excuses for it and NOT clamp down
on the dog to force control, to avoid the problem.
> aggression in a 'gamebred' Pit/Staffordshire in
> the same way as other dog aggression issues.?
> (territorial, fear, ***, possession, etc.) towards
> lunch are rather pointless, other than killing it of course.
I don't care who or what is the cause, if there is
an undesirable behavior, the JOB requires that
it be dealt with properly.
That's the problem with you guys, you just don't
know HOWE to deal correctly with behavior problems...
You make excuses, build barricades, avoid the problem,
but you can't ever think of TRAINING ???
> aggression is the very existence of the other dog.
> Once it is aware of the existance of the other dog,
> it is too late to interrupt the predatory focus.
Yes, it may be difficult to break, but there are ways
to deal with these things, Ludwig. It involves conditioning
You just gotta know HOWE...
> than switching mental gears.
learn that forced control ONLY causes MOORE
out of control behavior.
> normal dog-dog aggression and predatory aggression.
There you go again with more corrupt thinking.
I guess it makes the job easier if you've got excuses,
when you have no ideas and NO METHOD, hunh?
> to control without some sort of physical corrections being
That's HOWE COME I've paid you another visit, Ludwig.
You didn't do so good. I said I'd cut right to the good stuff,
and after all this, there isn't any good stuff at all.
And when it gets down to the bottom
line, it goes from nothing, to harmful.
You still got bad habits, Ludwig. What's wrong with
you? Why don't you just take your bonehead ideas,
and pigeon hole them with your bonehead "corrections,"
and freaking LEARN SOMETHING!
> Dog FAQS
"Many People Have Problems Getting The
Pinch Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough,
Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs
Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch:
You Must Keep The Pressure Up," sindy "don't
let the dog SCREAM" mooreon, author of HOWER
FAQ's pages on k9 web.
Here's sindy *** MOOREON's PARTNER in "rescue:"
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver: For barking in
the crate - leave the leash on and pass it through the crate
door. Attach a line to it. When he barks, use the line for
- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp Tap
Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If
He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author: "Courteous
You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING is COURTEOUS?
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your
dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible.
What does this mean?"
Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.
"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk away.
The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore him
and continue your normal behavior."
You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?
author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines"
You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?
> discuss not only their programs,
CASE off the street than relyin on you and you MENTALLY
ILL LYIN DOG ABUSIN PUNK THUG COWARDS:
>>"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in one
>>shelter.) But their ability to set their own schedules and
>>duties causes a great deal of scheduling overhead.
>>And it takes effort and thought to ensure that volunteers
>>get the meaningful experience that they work for.
>>Someone has to be responsible for that Volunteer Program,
>>and it is best done by a non-volunteer."
>>Lynn K. ---------------------------------
>>"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed every
>>adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
>>effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
>>older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted
>>Should I have refused to groom them?
>>Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who had to
>>make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."
>>Lynn K. --------------------------------------
assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter for a
while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute to
that problem," Mustang Sally.
I'll be you've never had to put down litters of beautiful
labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe you'd be singing a
"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and put their
bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer for the trash
company to come and dispose of.
No different tune," ~Emily
Oh??? SEEMS HE WAS ASKIN MENTAL PATIENTS:
RPD* MeNTally Ill All_StaRz as of 12/21/03
LYNN K. 20 plus years on Lithium LOIS E. 25 plus years on
here is our latest NEW AND IMPROVED crazy person update,
including our latest mentally unstable person, Lois E. of Gary
and Lois fame who has been on Tricyclics pushing 25 years. She
is no longer afraid to talk about it.
Neither is Lynn K. who embraces her mental illness and opens
up about her 20 plus years on Lithium, as well as her love
afair with Zoloft.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! RPD* Ment_ally Ill All_StaRz as of 12/21/03
I TOO HAVE A BIPOLAR MOOD DISORDER (MANIC DEPRESSION) I ALSO
CARE ABOUT DOGS COMMUNITY IS AN EVOLUTIONARY THING
WORDS OF WISDOM from our own Lynn Kosmakos
complaints and goodbye
: Sheesh, if everyone would start taking responsibility for
: their own actions, wouldn't life be grand?
"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder
(manic-depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of
Zoloft every day. I, also, care about dogs and use this
forum to learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
information I have learned. But if I were ever to post
such sh*t, I would hope that every other reader of this
group would be rightfully outraged."
"Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
the right to participate in by observing the easily
understood rules and contributing to in constructive ways."
I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIM
LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar conversation on
Mental problems. LYNN AND LOIS Almost 50 years on mental
illness medications combined
> Darlene actually stated at some point that she was
> bipolar--and, IIRC, that meds did not work for her--so she
> was prone to major-league ups
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