A pit bull is a pit bull is a pit bull

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A pit bull is a pit bull is a pit bull

Post by S. Abbo » Wed, 27 Nov 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

>The nastiness, name calling and well, online verbal
>pit-fighting amongst the various pit-bull groups here
>on the NG simply reinforces the stereotypical bad
>reputation of the breed. As far as the civilized world
>is concerned, dogs bred to fight rather than work, no
>matter what name you give them (Am Staff, Pit Bull,
>Bull Terrier, whatever) are pit bulls. Much of their
>bad reputation is borne out by the dog-bite statistics
>(posted here recently in the chow threads).  The rest
>of the bad rep comes from the rude, belligerent
>low-class attitudes of their owners. The mud-slinging
>in the current pit bull topics is typical
>pit-bull/pit-bull owner behavior .

>As long as the owners insist on behaving like low-life
>rednecks, the dogs will suffer the consequential
>reputation.

Excuse me, I am a middle-aged, professional white collar woman who owns
two AmStaffs and also highly values the APBT.  Neither of my dogs is a pit
bull, but I am proud that their ancestry is the American Pit Bull
Terrier.  Neither of my dogs has ever been permitted to play aggressively
with other dogs or humans, much less fight.  Both are obedience-trained,
friendly, and I feel comfortable taking them anywhere.

The only stereotypical bad reputation of the breed is promulgated by
uninformed, biased, closed-minded people like yourself.  As far as bite
statistics go, an authenticated report from a person in Europe confirms
that the APBT falls quite a bit behind other breeds in reported bites.

Nobody would ever accuse me of behaving like a low-life redneck, but trust
me to say that I would prefer comparison that to an ignorant,
ill-informed, venomous person like yourself.

S.

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Human/Alpha Dog                          Tina & Gracie AmStaffs/Dogs

If I have any beliefs about immortality, it is that certain dogs I have known will go to heaven, and very, very few persons.
       James Thurber

 
 
 

A pit bull is a pit bull is a pit bull

Post by Bryan Hink » Thu, 28 Nov 1996 04:00:00




: >As far as bite statistics go, an authenticated report
: >from a person in Europe confirms
: >that the APBT falls quite a bit behind other breeds in
: >reported bites.

: And if someone told you that a "verified" report from a
: "person in Africa" said that the earth is flat I
: guess you'd believe that too.

     It seems that you are far more guilty of this than Sue is
was or ever will be. To wit YOU (Stormy) don't know a damn thing
about what you're speaking of.

   Seems that YOU are attempting to start another flamefest of
some sort here ,rather than engage in anmy meaningful discourse
on the breeds involved OR said bite stats.

   Sue doesn't fit YOUR stereotype  and neither do I or others
present in this forum who are involved with these dogs.

                                               B.

 
 
 

A pit bull is a pit bull is a pit bull

Post by Bryan Hink » Thu, 28 Nov 1996 04:00:00


: The nastiness, name calling and well, online verbal
: pit-fighting amongst the various pit-bull groups here
: on the NG simply reinforces the stereotypical bad
: reputation of the breed. As far as the civilized world
: is concerned, dogs bred to fight rather than work, no
: matter what name you give them (Am Staff, Pit Bull,
: Bull Terrier, whatever) are pit bulls. Much of their
: bad reputation is borne out by the dog-bite statistics
: (posted here recently in the chow threads).  The rest
: of the bad rep comes from the rude, belligerent
: low-class attitudes of their owners. The mud-slinging
: in the current pit bull topics is typical
: pit-bull/pit-bull owner behavior .

: As long as the owners insist on behaving like low-life
: rednecks, the dogs will suffer the consequential
: reputation.

    Stormy ,coming from low class TRASH like you this is
patently ridiculous. Far from the "infighting" you claim
this was several of us explaining to someone who had been
used by an organisation that wished to rewrite history.

   Your constant characterisation of owners of these dogs
as scum is in a word FALSE ,and shows that you seemingly
have a bone to pick based on nothing more than breed of
canine owned. Jerks like you who spread urban myth and
wives tales have much ,much more to do with the reputation
of these dogs than the actions of ANY owner or enthusiast
in this forum. YOU contribute NOTHING within this forum
with the exception of bile ,bitterness and angst ,you're
just another sad misanthrope with an ax to grind and no
hard info to grind it on.

  As far as bite stats. go if you'd like to debate those
figures please attempt to do so ,otherwise go crawl back
under that piece of chert that you call a home.

                                           B.

 
 
 

A pit bull is a pit bull is a pit bull

Post by S. Abbo » Thu, 28 Nov 1996 04:00:00


Quote:



>>As far as bite statistics go, an authenticated report
>>from a person in Europe confirms
>>that the APBT falls quite a bit behind other breeds in
>>reported bites.

>And if someone told you that a "verified" report from a
>"person in Africa" said that the earth is flat I
>guess you'd believe that too.

In a five-year study in Dekalb County, Georgia, the following breeds were
responsible for a total of 73 FATAL attacks on humans:

GSD            16
Mixed          15
Huskies        9
St. Bernards   8
Great Danes    6
APBT           6
Malamutes      5
Goldens        3
Collies        2
Dobermans      2
Dachschunds    2
Boxers         2
Yorkies        1
Labs           1
Chow           1
Basenji        1
Rottie         1

In Palm Beach County from 1986 through 1993, a comparison of most SEVERE
bites by 10 dog breed, placed the APBT

1988  9th
1989  5
1990  5
1991  9
1992  2
1993  5

Breeds consistently in the list were***er Spaniel, Rottweiler,
Chow-Chow, GSD, Doberman, Hound, Lab, Goldens.  Also rans were Lhasa Apso,
Poodle and Terrier.

Also in Palm Beach County, in 1993, the Percentage of most SEVERE bites by
animals were as follows:

Domestic Cat      6.59  (short hair)
GSD               4.99
Chow              3.69
Lab               3.65
APBT              3.29
Rottie            3.20
Hound             1.55
Mixed             1.27
***er Spaniel    1.22
Doberman          1.18

Others reported, in order, were Golden, Domestic medium haired cat,
Dalmatian, Terrier mixed, Equine horse, Siamese cat, Akita, Domestic long
haired cat, Poodle, Yellow Lab, Boxer, Lhasa Apso, Dachshund, Shi Tzu,
Beagle.

:P:P:P:P

S

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Human/Alpha Dog                          Tina & Gracie AmStaffs/Dogs

If I have any beliefs about immortality, it is that certain dogs I have known will go to heaven, and very, very few persons.
       James Thurber

 
 
 

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Post by S. Abbo » Thu, 28 Nov 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

>I had a couple of questions about your report, since some of the
>statistics you mentioned struck me as so peculiar.


>>In a five-year study in Dekalb County, Georgia, the following breeds were
>>responsible for a total of 73 FATAL attacks on humans:

>Were all of these attacks *in* Dekalb Co? That's a lot of attacks! I
>thought the entire US had less than 20 fatal attacks a year.

NOTE ABOVE;  FIVE YEAR STUDY.

Quote:

>(snip of some of the breeds responsible for fatal attacks)

>>Dachschunds    2
>>Yorkies        1

>Huh? I am curious here-how does a dachshund or yorkie kill anyone?
>Does tripping over them count :>)?

These are deaths from BITING.

Quote:

>Where was this report published?

Published in the Netherlands, I think, by a group called SATHY, which is a
dog protection group.

Quote:
>Cris Waller


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Human/Alpha Dog                          Tina & Gracie AmStaffs/Dogs

If I have any beliefs about immortality, it is that certain dogs I have known will go to heaven, and very, very few persons.
       James Thurber

 
 
 

A pit bull is a pit bull is a pit bull

Post by E.Boucher&G.Berr » Thu, 28 Nov 1996 04:00:00


i can sort of underatand a dachshund. they are clever enough to slip a
little cyanide in an unfavored persons sherry... but the yorkie is a
puzzlement. how? why? jessica fletcher help us!

 
 
 

A pit bull is a pit bull is a pit bull

Post by S. Abbo » Thu, 28 Nov 1996 04:00:00


Quote:



>>As far as bite statistics go, an authenticated report
>>from a person in Europe confirms
>>that the APBT falls quite a bit behind other breeds in
>>reported bites.

>And if someone told you that a "verified" report from a
>"person in Africa" said that the earth is flat I
>guess you'd believe that too.

No, I have the publication in my very paws and I happen to have an
acquaintance with the person involved in reviewing the reported dog bites
via police reports in several sample cities in the U.S.

But, then again, you would only believe what serves your own purpose so
why should I bother.

I do believe, by the way, that you are a totally unmitigated ***.

Just my opinion.......

S

--

Human/Alpha Dog                          Tina & Gracie AmStaffs/Dogs

If I have any beliefs about immortality, it is that certain dogs I have known will go to heaven, and very, very few persons.
       James Thurber

 
 
 

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Post by Cris Wall » Fri, 29 Nov 1996 04:00:00


I had a couple of questions about your report, since some of the
statistics you mentioned struck me as so peculiar.

Quote:

>In a five-year study in Dekalb County, Georgia, the following breeds were
>responsible for a total of 73 FATAL attacks on humans:

Were all of these attacks *in* Dekalb Co? That's a lot of attacks! I
thought the entire US had less than 20 fatal attacks a year.

(snip of some of the breeds responsible for fatal attacks)

Quote:
>Dachschunds    2
>Yorkies        1

Huh? I am curious here-how does a dachshund or yorkie kill anyone?
Does tripping over them count :>)?

Where was this report published?
Cris Waller

 
 
 

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Post by R Weems » Fri, 29 Nov 1996 04:00:00


: Huskies        9

 I'm really surprised by this- the huskies I've known have been very
gentle dogs and I've heard the breed was like this generally. I
suspect that some of these "huskies" are in fact mis-identified
husky-wolf hybrids.

 
 
 

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Post by Nancy E. Holme » Fri, 29 Nov 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

>i can sort of underatand a dachshund. they are clever enough to slip a
>little cyanide in an unfavored persons sherry... but the yorkie is a
>puzzlement. how? why? jessica fletcher help us!

the report I recall implicated 3 toy dogs - an elderly owner fell
(stroke?) and the guess is she made odd noises and the dogs bit her and
ultimately killed her - I thought one was a chihuahua and one a yorkie
and one a shihtzu or maybe a toy poodle but it has been years'n'years
since I read that report.
Nancy
 
 
 

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Post by J » Fri, 29 Nov 1996 04:00:00


I guess I missed most of this thread... but it's interesting that
there are people who still think that APBTs and AmStaffs are
inherently *** dogs. I disagree. This may not have anything to do
with the original thread, but here I go...

Here's my two cents. Where I live (downtown in a major city) there are
quite a few APBTs and AmStaffs in the neighbourhood. I have never
heard of one incident in this area where a APBT or AmStaff has
attacked a dog or a person. In fact my 40lb *** mixed breed
loves to wrestle with his "pit" friends. There have been dog on dog
attacks, but never from a "pit bull". Though lots of aggression from
"nice" breeds which I won't point out.

Gee, my friend's "*** pit" was over today and what did my two cats
do? They immediately ran up to her and started rubbing up against her.
Mean ol' *** pit! Made the cats fall in love with her!

Just my whacky 2 cents,

J.