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> Ashlyn:
> Why is crate training not an option? I'm sure many of us
could/would offer
> suggestions to help you, but most of us would probably recommend
crate
> training. So please explain so that we can try to help you with
your
> problem.
> Thanks,
> Carol
Hello Carol,
She doesn't want to end up with a problem dog like YOU have. j;~]
I don't think there's anything FUNNY about hurting dogs and saying
you're not.
lyingfrostydahly: ">>>Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long.
You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them
more sharply.>>>
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>>> With your hand on the collar and ear, say, "fetch."
Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the
stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy.
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>>>Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog,>>>"
Wouldn't you think that was despicable enough even just writing
that, let alone risk suffering the embarrassment of not only
having that attributed to yourself, but in fact denying your best
work and PROVING YOURSELF A SHAMELESS LIAR AND
ADVOCATE OF DOG ABUSE???
YOUR pals make it EASY for me to RUIN THEIR REPUTATIONS...
and cause them irreparable HARM in their ''field of expertise''... if
they just stop posting, I'll have to WORK at discrediting you bums.
Do the rescue folks KNOW HOWE your pals twist and pinch dog's
ears and toes, and jerk, choke, and shock dogs because they've got
so many dogs to HELP and such little time to do it in???
Does anybody know HOWE a dog sounds when he's SQUEALING
because his ears or toes are being pinched and twisted?
Cindy moore and amy dahl do. Ask them.
They'll tell you they don't twist?
They'll tell you they don't hurt?
cindymoron'll tell you she's DEAF, and she can't HEAR them
scream, so it doesn't mean anything to her. Prove there's even any
sound when dogs scream because she's hurting them...
She'll tell you that FEAR, FORCE, AND PUNISHMENT is
necessary for ALL "ADVANCED TRAINING", to enhance the
bond between "trainer" and dog and achieve the higher aspects
of obedience through TWISTING and PINCHING EARS and
TOES, and BEATING DOGS WITH STICKS...
Let's hear cindy moore and pals SQUEAL for a change.
Ask her about the toe hitch.
Ask her about "table work."
Ask her why she HURTS dogs, and calls that training? Ask her
why she WON'T answer these questions like her pal
lyingfrostydahly did below, when she EARNED HER LYING
TITLE???
Here's what our respected friend and rpdb contributor amy dahl
has to say about ear and toe pinching and twisting and
BEATING DOGS WITH STICKS to MOTIVATE them.
TELL US YOU DON'T DO THE SAME THINGS, cindymoron...:
Amy Dahl LIES with a straight face and says:
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>>>> I don't beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes.
>> > http://www.moonsgarden.com/
>> > http://www.moonsgarden.com/
Aren't those YOUR OWN WORDS??? But YOU don't DO THAT???
People, this is HOWE consistency works, and most particularly
well with dogs, because here, the same methods are being used
to INFLUENCE YOU, and YOU certainly are more intellectually
capable of solving problems and have greater critical thinking
skills than your dogs..., and these methods work on YOU.
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>>> That article, reprinted from The Retriever Journal, is
>>> the words of my husband John and myself.
Meaning "We'll share the credit, making it more credible??? Or
we'll share the blame, to mitigate our own individual
responsibility and guilt..." YOU decide, it's not my business
where the blame falls.
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>>>> For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses
>>>> not to read the article, there is NO mention in it of "twisting
>>>> ears,"
From the text">>>"
">>>Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of
as force-fetching: the ear pinch.>>>
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>>>"but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to
escaping the ear pinch>>>
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>>>You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your
thumb;>>>
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>>> even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against
that>>>
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>>> Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that
resisting your will fades in importance.>>>
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>>>Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching
its ear.>>>
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>>> if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell.
Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar,
even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in>>>"
Right... Didn't lyingfrostydahly just deny all of that? There's
more... That was just a little about ear pinching, and no there
was NO MENTION of twisting ears... cindy moore has all that
information for you...
Does it really matter? The semantics of whether we're twisting
or pinching or slapping or hitting or correcting or nicking instead
of BURNING???
The only terminology that doesn't have any NEAT euphemisms
to take the CURSE off what our respected "trainers" actually
MEAN (see definitions of punishment thread), is*** to
REHABILITATE the dog, as ALL of our Koehler fans MUST
endorse. Also notice the use of "it" for dog and "the" for him or
YOUR DOG.
That's not coincidental, it's all part of the psychologically and
very cleverly designed DESENSITIZATION and
MISINFORMATION necessary to REDUCE a good person
to ACCEPT and DO HORRIBLE THINGS to dogs and TRYING
to call ABUSE training.
These are the subtle differences between being an expert dog
trainer and some morally bankrupt vicious rotten abusive cretin
that goes to jail for abusing dogs... But don't lose interest now
folks, there's more...
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>>> NO mention whatsoever of dogs' toes in any context,
>>> and NO mention of "beating" dogs.
RIGHT... .
lyingfrostydahly: ">>>Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long.
You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them
more sharply.>>>
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>>> With your hand on the collar and ear, say, "fetch."
Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the
stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy.
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>>>Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog,>>>"
Wouldn't you think that was despicable enough even just writing
that, let alone risk suffering the embarrassment of not only
having that attributed to yourself, but in fact denying your best
work and PROVING YOURSELF A SHAMELESS LIAR AND
ADVOCATE OF DOG ABUSE??? But it goes on...
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>>> chuck (for the uninitiated, "chuck" means strike) the dog
under the chin with your ever-ready right hand while saying
"No!">>>
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>>>If the dog drops it, chuck (slap) it solidly under the chin, say
"No! Hold!" use a chuck (slap) under the chin or pinch its ear
and place the dummy in its mouth.>>>
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>>> If it doesn't make rapid progress, you can increase the
pressure by requiring it to pick up the dropped dummy (stay on
the ear until it does).>>>
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>>>(perhaps because the ear is getting tender, or the dog has
decided it isn't worth it).>>> pinch its ear and say, "fetch,">>>
Here we have consistency and a plea for reason, directly in
contradiction to the blackman and white facts signed and
published by our expert trainer... Accordingly, the consistency
of constant repetitions of your requests for understanding and
compliance from your dogs, dictates that YOU WILL GET IT.
So long as you are consistent and keep repeating the exact
same scenario, no matter what... Including and especially when
you calculatedly and intentionally deny the truth and make your
requests seem reasonable, THEY EXPECT YOU TO BELIEVE
that such behavior is NORMAL.
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> In our training we do not do any of these things, nor do we
> advocate them to others.
See what I mean? Character, morals, ethics, integrity, human
decency? 0.000%. Not a shred. She might have scored 0.001 had
she NOT LIED ABOUT IT.
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>>>"Any refusals are corrected with the ear pinch. When
performance is smooth, the stick can be added just as in the
fetch from a sitting position. If the previous steps have been
carefully done, the dog will soon be lunging eagerly for each
dummy as soon as it sees it.>>>
This is HOWE they get that happy e***d working attitude that
they all talk about... That's their criteria for making their dogs
happy, willing team mates...They BEAT IT INTO THE DOG.
That's WHY Jerry's HIGH-STAKES challenge to frantik fraud die...
His dog isn't working, she's AVOIDING GETTING BURNED...I'll walk
away with HIS national champion "protection" dog and show him up
for the vicious, loudmouthed ignoramus he is.
And there's a jail cell waiting for cindy moore if she ever
demonstrates HER forced fetch in front of A JURY composed of ANY
DECENT human beings.
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> Jerry Howe has once again demonstrated his lack of
> reading comprehension.
Right. Perhaps that's because I get a little disturbed with all of
the abuse, and I begin reading more into it than what the author
intended???...
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>>>"Slip an empty shotshell into your pocket before the next
session. As always, begin with some review. Then sit the dog.
Take hold of its buckle collar and ear as follows. Slide the last
three fingers of your left hand towards the dog's head under the
collar, and curl them over the collar to grasp it firmly. With your
thumb and index finger, pull the dog's left ear back over the
collar (inside up) and hold it there gently. The "ear pinch" is
administered by pressing with your thumbnail at the boundary
between hair and bare skin (don't pinch yet). Depending on the
size and strength of your hands, you may want to press against
the collar or against your index finger.>>>
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>>>You want it to get the idea that the ear-pinch means,>>> If
the dog clenches its mouth shut, you may be in for another
extended session. Keep pinching and press the dummy harder
against the dog's lips.>>>
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>>>Repeat "fetch." Again, keep your voice calm. If several
minutes pass and>>> You don't want the dog to think that it is
"beating the
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