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Advice sought on rescuing a failing greyhound rescue organization

Post by IHateToSayItButITOLDYO.. » Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:38:40



      Fantasy Island Shelter Rescue Foster Care Givers Weekend!

De Plane! De Plane Boss! De Plane Boss! De Plane! De Plane!

Oh shadddup Tatoo you skeevy little hype. That damned
puddle jumper SHOWES up here abHOWETS EVERY weekend. You
can HEAR if from MILES away carrying HOWER auspiciHOWES
guests and a WEE BIT OF MONEY for HOWER coffers.

Fortunately this weekend's visitors are FLUSH with OTHER
PEOPLE'S hard earned dough so it'll be EZ to fleece them
DHOWEN like spring lambs <{); ~ ) >.

De Plane Boss! De Plane! De Plane!

Oh Tatoo, PLEASE, you're giving Mr. Roarke a freakin
headache. Chill HOWET you wretched little cuss or we
may have to do some OBEDIENCE DRILLS with you.

O.K. Boss, I'm SORRY I'm SORRY I'm SORRY Boss. Honest.
HOWE abHOWET I go get some refreshements for HOWER guests?

No Tattoo. These are SPECIAL guests, they're HOWER RESCUE
and SHELTER SAVIOURS. They have SPECIAL needs requiring
individual condiditions, shall we say, SACRIFICES, to make.

This is going to be a VERY SPECIAL weekend, Tatoo.

Have you finished preparing quarters for HOWER guests
Tatoo? They'll be VERY SLEEPY from their medications
when they arrive and will no DHOWET be looking forward
to some rest in their rooms.

Si, Boss. Si. I've had special boxes tailor made to fit
each individual as you sez according to their measurements.
Boss? Boss? Are you SHORE they LIKE sleeping in little boxes?

But of CURSE, Tattoo. You'll NOTICE they NEVER MESS in them.
They ONLY tend to their own personal needs while walking on
leash or in the group play pen dragging their leashes behind
them in case they need some corrections. You'll see, Tattoo.
Very special guests, you'll see... you'll see.

Boss! Boss! Here they come! Here they come! Here they come!

Oh STUFF IT Tattoo. Go grab a leash and pronged spiked
pinch ***collar and COME WITH ME, I'll need you in
case any of them become *** and try to hurt each other.

Better go back and grab that shock collar as well, Tattoo,
can't take too many chances when 'LIVES DEPEND ON US to SAVE
THEM', eh Tattoo?

But Boss! Boss! Do you REALLY THINK locking them in
small boxes and jerking *** and shocking them is
gonna SAVE THEIR LIVES?

Nooo, Tattoo. It'll teach them to RESPECT HOWER AUTHORITY.

WE will SAVE THE LIVES, Tattoo... just you and Mr. Roarke.

TRUST ME, Tattoo. This is gonna be a VERY SPECIAL weekend
for HOWER Shelter and Rescue Dog Lovers, Tattoo <{); ~ ) >

But Boss? Boss? Boss?

NHOWE WHAT, Tattoo?

You sez these are DOG people? Yet they HAVE NO DOGS
with them? Are they coming on a second plane, Boss?
The Plane! The Plane! The Plane, Boss! The Plane!

No Tattoo, that's the puddle jumper LEAVIN. HOWER
guests have made arrangements for their dogs to
be kept in city P-HOWENDS where they've only got
72 HOWERS to live, GUARANTEEING HOWER guests will
FINISH their Fantasies in a timely manner. O.K.
Tattoo, we've got to take care of HOWER guests,
machnell, machsnell Tattoo.

O.K. O.K. Boss. O.K. O.K.

WELCOME To Fantasy Island Shelter Rescue Foster
Care Givers Weekend! I'm your host Mr. Roarke,
and this is my erstwhile assistant Tattoo. DON'T
LOOK AT HIM, he's VERY SENSITIVE.

But Boss? Boss? I'm NOT sensitive. People ALWAYS
look at me, I LIKE that, Boss. People are NICE.

Shhhh, Tattoo. This is a VERY SPECIAL weekend.
Just do as I've instructed you PLEASE or you'll
BLOW IT and they'll LEAVE us and take their OTHER
PEOPLE'S money with them.

Ohhhh, I see, a SCAM, eh Boss? It's abHOWET time!

What shall I do?

Tattoo? You see that big stupid lookin WON over
there wearing the sneer on her face? THAT'S Master
Of Decepton blankman, WON of the ringleaders. Let's
take her first, but BE CAREFUL Tattoo, she's slippery
and dangerHOWES despite that off puttin stupid ignorant
look she's wearing under that sneer. Better go back and
grab that rabies pole, this might be MOORE difficult
than Mr. Roarke thought, just judging by her catatonic
stare right through you despite she was asked not to look.

But Boss? I DON'T MIND her LOOKING!

SHADDDUP Tattoo! We're TRYING to TRAIN them! Just PLAY
ALONG so we can SET HER UP for a CORRECTION. Quick Tattoo,
gimme that shock collar FAST. NHOWE slowly walk arHOWEND
and as she stares at you I'll be able to sneak up behind
her and strap this on her.

Oh? You want the strap on, Boss?

NO Tattoo, THAT'S for malinda. I'm talking abHOWET
strappin on this shock collar while you DISTRACT
her... the SHOCK will be her REWARD for NOT LOOKIN
at you someMOORE. QUICK! Make your move NHOWE, Tattoo!

Boss? Can I have the rabies pole, she looks like a MEAN WON.

Yes Tattoo, it's a familiar tool to her, she'll RESPECT
you for THAT. Go for it, Tattoo, but HURRY PLEASE! HURRY!

      "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
      just to be able to handle the dogs.  For example,
      we need to crate train a dog immediately because
      they are usually in need of medical care and they
      are in foster homes with other dogs.

      It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

  lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
  For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
  pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.
  When he barks, use the line for a correction.

 - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

  Lynn K.

BARK! ZAP! SCREAM... ZAP ... SCREAM... ZAP... SCREAM...
ZAP... SCREAM... ZAP... SCREAM... ZAP ... SCREAM

Date: 2002-08-30 04:24:13 PST

Quote:
> > Did you try it on your throat? Not very pleasant.
>  Umm, yes. As a matter of fact, I did. It the sensation
>  is actually much milder than it is on the palm, which
>  has sweat glands and so conducts more.

 You're full of crap, susan.


A friend of mine told this story about his
experience with a shock-collar:

Jim's sister-in-law had a shock collar she wanted to use
on her dog stop it from barking.

Not being very technical, she brought it over for Jim to
assemble and adjust.

Jim got it all put together and decided to try it on
himself to see which setting  would be most appropriate.

With the collar around his neck, set on minimum, Jim tried
a little bark... woof.

Nothing.... Woof Woof. Nothing....

Bark. Nothing....

Bark Bark.

Nothing...

BARK!

ZAP!

The collar worked!

Unfortunately, the zap was painful enough to make Jim scream
with pain, which the collar interpreted as another bark, which
lead to another ZAP!

Which made Jim scream again...

ZAP...

SCREAM...

ZAP...

SCREAM...

Eventually, Jim got the collar off but it never
survived the chance to end up on the dog.

(Names have been changed to protect the stupid) : )

-----------------------

GOOD BOY, Tattoo! O.K., NHOWE INTO the box with her.

But BOSS! BOSS!

BE CAREFUL Tattoo, she's been known to escape. Soon
as we get the rest of these Bozo's into their boxes
we'll be able to EAT and have some FUN till it's time
to take them all HOWET for a break and some obedience
drills. You might think this is all abHOWET ***,
but I can assure you Tatto, IT'S NOT. Don't infer from
that description that force is an intrinsic part of it,
though, because it isn't.

I know that that is what you are trying to get at,
but you'd be very wrong.

      "Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
      Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
      lynn.

      "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
      just to be able to handle the dogs.  For example,
      we need to crate train a dog immediately because
      they are usually in need of medical care and they
      are in foster homes with other dogs.

      It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

  lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
  For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
  pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.
  When he barks, use the line for a correction.

 - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

  Lynn K.


Quote:


> > Hello People,

> > "Huh? I've Never Reeled In A Dog In My Life.
> > I Don't Like The Long Line Method And Don't
> > Use It." lynn k.

> > Read the following and then let's discuss proofing.
> Maybe you want to read it again, Jerry.  I don't use the
> long line method of teaching a recall.  You know, the
> old "give the command and reel the dog in" thing.


Subject: Re: dog comes when he feels like it
Date: 1999/05/21

Quote:

> Does this mean no trips to the fenced off-leash dog park ?
> At what age should a dog be trained 100% ?
> What about socialization?

I've found dog parks to be great places for proofing the
recall, even with young puppies.  Let the pup play with
other pups, while on a long line.

Call the pup, reeling in if necessary, and praise the heck out
of him, then let him go play again.  The reason this works so
well at the dog park is that the pup learns that leaving the
fun to obey the command doesn't mean the fun is over.  A very
good thing to learn early.

Timing is critical here, because what you want
is for him to think about escaping, maybe even
start, but still have time to give the command
and have him decide to come back to you before
he hits the end of the long line.

The very 1st thing is to secure her while you're training
so she can't chase when you are preoccupied and can't
work with her.

And, yes, I've had more than a few "come to Jesus
meetings" with dogs over willful disobedience.
Example - pup who knows full well what a recall is
hits adolesence and decides that the recall is optional.

Putting him back on a long line and doing 5 fast
recalls is a "come to Jesus meeting".  Or if he
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Advice sought on rescuing a failing greyhound rescue organization

Post by IHateToSayItButITOLDYO.. » Tue, 21 Mar 2006 04:06:48


Subject: Re: Advice sought on rescuing a
failing greyhound rescue organization

Date: 19 Mar 2006 09:51:08 -0800

HOWEDY Interface-Rick,

Quote:

> My wife and I would like to work on behalf of greyhounds.

That's kindly of you.

Quote:
> She joined the local rescue group and found a recurring
> pattern of the most helpful workers being driven out by
> the "pack leader" who'd started the group.

We got a lotta self serving lying dog abusing punk thug
coward active acute chronic long term incurable mental
cases in the rescue / shelter / foster care BUSINESS.

Quote:
> This seems to be all too common.

Nearly everyWON you're postin to here abHOWETS, Interface.

LIKE THIS:

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

  lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
  For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
  pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to
  it. When he barks, use the line for a correction.-
  if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar,"  Lynn K.

           "Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.

                   <except when it is>

      "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
      just to be able to handle the dogs.  For example,
      we need to crate train a dog immediately because
      they are usually in need of medical care and they
      are in foster homes with other dogs. It's a safety
      necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

           "Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.

                   <except when it is>

     "So what?  Whoever said that it's right to
     always not confront?  We sure can try, but
     a dog who knows a command and growls when
     given it is certainly being confrontational".
     You can't simply walk away and pretend it
     didn't happen or leave it for later work in
     every situation." Lynn K.

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.)  But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.

"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake.  I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.

Should I have refused to groom them?

Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."

Lynn K.

                ----------------

Quote:
> If a group is formed to rescue dogs,

Some groups *** 2/3rs of their RESCUE dogs.

LIKE THIS:

 "After Numerous Training Classes, Behavi***
 Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
 Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
 Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.

"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.

Quote:


> > HOWEDY racetrack silly,

> >> On 21 May 2005 19:23:51 -0700,
> >> I'm neither a trainer nor an expert,
> > RIGHT. But you ARE a mentally ill lying
> > dog abusing punk thug coward and president
> > of the GH RESCUE that ***S 66% of their
> > RESCUE dogs.
> Are you reading this, Lucy?  The above is a flat-out lie.

From:
http://www.moonsgarden.com/

<<It probably wouldn't hurt, and a dose of reality might be helpful,
too.  I'm president of the board of our local shelter.  The new board
has almost succeeded in pulling the APL out of financial ruin, and
very soon now we'll be able to turn our attention to making
improvements in our shelter, increasing adoptions, etc.  We are in the
largest county in our state, and it's also one of the poorest.  We
take in around 3,000 animals a year and euthanize two-thirds of them.>>

Nope. No lie. Two thirds=3D66%. Actually, closer to 67%. IS that
really what "rescue" means, Sally? Killing 2 out of every 3 dogs
one "rescues"?

Geeez!

Quote:
> Does that matter to you at all, or is it OK for Jerry to make
> up whatever shit he wants to 'support' his lunatic claims?

What exactly was "made up" by Jerry, then? The part about your "mental
illness"? Why, you call him "lunatic", so you're both even on that.

Though I still can't help wondering how "sane" someone who loves dogs
can be when running a shelter that puts down two thirds of the dogs it
"rescues".

Quote:
> Mustang Sally (disgusted)

Lucy (likewise)

                   ------------

Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars


Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-
righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
a lack of ability to perceive same.

 The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
unimportant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.

What it means is that you don't know as much about
dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.

I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
nothing to her.

I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories.  The fact that
you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
"you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
English you guys talk about over there) means that
you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
who is not worth further notice.

         Sally Hennessey


 Nope.  No more than you'd convince Patch that
 prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
 intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
 with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
 intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
 own dogs and their reactions better than someone
 who has never seen them or us...hmmm.

 I'm starting to see some similarities here.

 Sally Hennessey

Quote:
> one person dominates and protects his/her turf by
> discouraging the ideas and efforts of others.

You mean LIKE THIS?:

"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:

"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue


Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20

Quote:

>  How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.

Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong  - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.  Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog.   I think a prong works
better than a ***with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use.   Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars.  At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."

8)  Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog.   I think a prong
works better than a ***with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation.   Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).

If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.

This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag.   (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."

Quote:
>    Since a group that intends to kennel dogs needs
> reliable help to provide care as well as folks to raise
> funds,  publish newsletters, and to write thankyou notes
> to contributors, it seems that only two common paths open up.

You might wanna hire heelp from the local state
mental heelth facility. You can get folks like
michael ball:


Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:35:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Ethical Dilemma (Son bitten by dog in schoolyard) (long)


Quote:
> I find this amazing that someone who posts on a
> board for rescue would have  this attitude.
> Pat

This NG is specifically for dog rescue.  I hate cats and never
give a cat an even break--unless they just happen to break
in the middle.

When I started to work at the animal shelter, cleaning kennels, I was
asked if I liked cats. I replied
enthusiastically, "Yes, if they are cooked  right!"

I've never had to work with the cats! :-)

We're all different.

Michael


Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:52:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Symphony rests in Peace.

Hello michael,



Quote:
> As expected, Symphony, the 12 week old puppy, bite

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