DOGMAN Vouches For Jerry Howe = Thanks, But No Thanks

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DOGMAN Vouches For Jerry Howe = Thanks, But No Thanks

Post by Jerry How » Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:35:25



Hello People,

The following information was found on our friend lyingdogDUMMY'S "troll
central" web page. I appreciate the effort he has made to verify my credibility
and provide all the information for skeptics to be able to find out more about
me if they would like to inquire.

Also, he's provided some excellent quotes from me below.

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Jerry's Famous Quotes:

Yes, folks, Jerry Howe actually said these things -- believe it or not. And if after reading them, you think Jerry has ever actually trained a real dog, or even likes dogs, for that matter, well, you're probably the same kind of fool who would have enthusiastically chugged Jim Jones' deadly Kool-Aid.

Note: These are cut and pasted quotes obtained from Jerry Howe's actual posts.

"No, I don't like dogs. I don't like people, either. Dogs are only animals, put there for us to use in any fashion we see fit."

(CORRECT. I see fit to handle and train them WITHOUT BEATING and *** them.)

"I never said I was fair. I think I said it is psychological warfare. Trainer vs dog."

"You mean to go out and hang around with neighborhood dogs that carry mange, disease, bugs? No, I don't want my dog playing with dogs I don't know. I never touch a strange dog, unless he's a students dog.  And I rarely need to touch my students dogs. Almost never need to touch them. I instruct the owner."

"If the dog is trained properly, he does not think of his protection training as fun and games at the big dog park. During a protection class, the dogs temperature should go up to 106 and he should have loose stools within two or three minutes of beginning the lesson."

(Our "EXPERTS" here would prefer to switch and flank and slap dogs while muzzled.)

"Dogs are expert malingerers. That means they will do anything they can, to avoid work. They thrive on the additional attention it earns them, it's part of being a dog."

"Don't get upset, the problem should challenge you to find a better way to command his attention and increase his desire to work for you. You won't ever get to that point, if your efforts are frustrated because of his  inaction or non attentiveness. That's his secret plan."

"The dog is department equipment, and when not on duty with an assigned handler, belongs in the equipment room with all of the other expensive equipment."

"When we scold and admonish our dogs, they learn to scold and admonish us back..."

(Ask avrama WHY her dog learned to "accidentally" knock her teeth down her throat)

"ANY physical correction, or verbal confrontation is abusive, whether we like it or not, that's the facts of life."

(That's correct. That's why I teach people non confrontation behavior modification methods)

"The problem is, there are few places that you can learn what you need to know, the universities have no idea what's up, or we wouldn't be here right now."

(That's correct. Ask professor dermer HOWE he can justify endorsing koehler. He's too cowardly to talk to me or Marilyn about it...)

"I do know that ecollars will cause nervous problems for days after a session, and they will cause the dogs to want to run away."

(And urinate and defecate themselves. It's in the owner's manual of some collar mfg's.)

"Do you have that reliable recall, the first time, everytime? That's what I get with a come command installed as a conditioned reflex, and it takes about one hour."

(Fact. Marilyn's methods using keys is also EXCELLENT. Our Thugs can't figure it out, because there is no part where we get to HURT the dog)

"The snake proofing could have been done effectively using only sound and praise."

"We can teach or break any behavior in as little as four properly timed demonstrations."

"In the real world, my dogs have been seen by thousands, doing such jobs as riot control, and special security jobs for some very famous people. And nobody ever even asks who I am, nor to I care to share that information with them. My dogs go by their call names, and their handlers are as anonymous and unobtrusive as I am."

"One of my many stud dogs sired over four hundred puppies, and I whelped and raised most of them."

"What you don't seem to understand is, that ANY negative interaction is teaching the dogs to do the exact behavior that you are trying to break."

"How about two hours of study and practice without the dog, and one hour working the
program with the dog, and your done?"

"These people that come off with the alpha wolf and *** baloney are only stroking themselves."

"I've got to turn that protection dog out in about thirty days or less."

"People can be very deceptive when they've got something to hide."

"It's called positive thigmotaxis, the opposition reflex."

(Look it up. Our Gang Of Thugs has NO CONCEPT of this scientific FACT.)

"The more you try to "housebreak" her, the more she will do it, and you will never get it done."

"Any time we interact in a behavior by telling the dog no, or physically restrain or correct him, we are becoming part of the behavior, either as a player or competitor in the dogs mischief."

"The behavior will not be completely broken until he has taken the process of elimination to the second, third, and fourth opportunity to explore that behavior. And, even at that, you may need to repeat the process in four completely different places. That means that the worst behavior may need up to sixty-four properly timed interruptions and praise. Usually it happens much quicker than that."

"I don't give references, and I don't offer credentials."

(I don't NEED to. I provide INFORMATION. I don't teach people to HURT dogs.)

"Think about it, you can't do it without getting the dog accustomed to the collar first, and leaving it on him for a long period of time afterward, or the dog will know it's the collar, not the snake, to be avoided. [Jerry on snake-proofing your dog].

"And the dog will only work with the collar [e-collar] on him."

"Consequently, without the collar [e-collar], there's no need for the dog to work."

"The dog is only going to shy away from snakes if the ecollar is on. That's the way it works."

Thank you lyingdogDUMMY. But I'd rather you didn't endorse me, because it makes ME look as bad as yourself. Thanks, but no thanks.

The two reference I gave have here have been PROVEN CREDIBLE by marquis de "Read koehler For Content," shaw, and dw.

Talk to THEM.

Or, you can look up their posting history on Usenet.

Hi Jerry,

I received email from Mark Shaw on 10/6 which I just read today. Sorry I
didn't have time to get to it sooner. We have had a lot going on in our
area concerning animals. We formed a new Task Force to address spay/neuter,
pet overpopulation and animal abuse. I needed to do a lot of research
before the first meeting and time was just not available for anything else.

Anyway the letter went on to say that we are in collusion, I tried to
defraud him, and have sent none of the materials that he has asked for
although he has yet to furnish the P.O. Box number that he wanted them sent
to in the first place. He goes on to state that I am no longer eligible for
the +ACI-fictions reward.+ACI- All of this is in answer to postings that prove I
was +ACI-sharing+ACI- his email with you which in his opinion was a breach of good
manners.

His email only had terms and conditions of the reward which I
would consider +ACI-public information.+ACI- Be that as it may, I would like to
state that you had my permission to post any email I have sent you
regarding DDR including this email. I'm very sorry that you have to put up
with this type of situation from someone that obviously never intended to
make good on his reward offer in the first place.

I had a call from a friend of mine with a very aggressive cat. I have
loaned her my DDR for a few weeks to see if it will calm JR down. I will
let you know the results. She goes to the same holistic vet that I go to
and he is also interested. In case Mark does post to the list again I would
like to say that I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it
has helped my dogs and cats.  

I have entirely too much to do, to worry about his opinions or reward. The
only reason I was willing to apply for the reward was on your behalf as I
do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with aggression and other
behavior problems. I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter
approximately 100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC
dog obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of  
Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of Animals
(on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club,
CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head of animal control, director
of two different shelters, etc.).

I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to  let Mark know that I am involved
with animals and have very little time to play games with him also I would
not recommend your product if I did not believe in it. Please feel free to post
this email as it has no copyright on it as did Mark Shaw's last email to
me.

Take care Jerry and don't let the Mark's of the world get you down.

Elaine

   Apr 25, 05:59 PM
Margaret Hoffman
   Message 1 of 19

Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe

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Post by Laura Edward » Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:34:22


Jerry, what you don't realize is that NO ONE CARES about you or anything
that people say about you or anyone who subscribe to your stupid training
shit. NO ONE CARES. NO ONE CARES what you write about ANYTHING. Is that
clear? I do not know what is WRONG WITH YOU. You just don't GET IT. NO ONE
CARES ABOUT YOU. What is it that you don't understand?

Why would anyone care about a rude, obnoxious *** that posts the same
shit over and over and over and over and over. You have nothing at all to
contribute to this newsgroup except for telling everyone what "lyinglyn" or
"frostydahl" or whatever the hell has to say. YOU have nothing to offer at
all. You are a complete moron. How about that?

 
 
 

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Post by Reno » Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:30:59


On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 06:34:22 GMT, "Laura Edwards"

Quote:

>Jerry, what you don't realize is that NO ONE CARES about you or anything
>that people say about you or anyone who subscribe to your stupid training
>shit. NO ONE CARES. NO ONE CARES what you write about ANYTHING. Is that
>clear? I do not know what is WRONG WITH YOU. You just don't GET IT. NO ONE
>CARES ABOUT YOU. What is it that you don't understand?

Evidently you cared enough to make an ass of yourself.

Quote:
>Why would anyone care about a rude, obnoxious *** that posts the same
>shit over and over and over and over and over. You have nothing at all to
>contribute to this newsgroup except for telling everyone what "lyinglyn" or
>"frostydahl" or whatever the hell has to say. YOU have nothing to offer at
>all. You are a complete moron. How about that?

Nicely put.  So much passion and wit.  BRAVO!!

Janet

 
 
 

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Post by Antonio Banbarea » Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:48:54




All proving what a lying, fake, fraud, and dog abusing *** you
really are.

 
 
 

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Post by Gary & lois Edward » Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:06:22


you don't realize is that NO ONE CARES about

Laura, you are arguing with an insane nutter who absolutely doesn't care
about anyone or anything except hearing his own little voices. He's a troll,
plain and simple, and the more time you spend responding to his posts, the
more weird and inflated he gets because SOMEBODY...ANYBODY....is paying
attention to him. Far better to killfile him or just ignore his posts. If
you were, one of my kids...which you aren't....I'd give you the same advice.
Lois E.

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Post by blackdog.. » Tue, 31 Oct 2000 05:24:30




Quote:
> Hello People,

> The following information was found on our friend

lyingdogDUMMY'S "troll

Quote:
> central" web page

Proving what an *** you are   http://www.moonsgarden.com/~dogman/jerry.html

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Post by Jerry How » Tue, 31 Oct 2000 06:19:21



Quote:


> you don't realize is that NO ONE CARES about

> Laura, you are arguing with an insane nutter who absolutely doesn't care
> about anyone or anything except hearing his own little voices. He's a troll,
> plain and simple, and the more time you spend responding to his posts, the
> more weird and inflated he gets because SOMEBODY...ANYBODY....is paying
> attention to him. Far better to killfile him or just ignore his posts. If
> you were, one of my kids...which you aren't....I'd give you the same advice.
> Lois E.

Hello lyinglois,

Yes, like the COUNTLESS posts you'd sent me while it was your turn as head of the Anklebiters. And just think..., with me in your killfile, you'll never ever even have to THINK about ME again. HURRRRRAAAY!!!! Whoooooooopiiiiiiieeeeee!!!  j;~}

Try this. Pay attention, there's a quiz.:

Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking Backslider.

"If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these
"backsliders" will think they're winning and will continue
to mess in the house. An indelible impression can
sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard spanking of
long duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he's
made so you can come back at twenty minute intervals
and punish him again for the same thing. (Dogs are
REALLY stupid. J.H.)

HERE'S a couple of questions that have STUMPED THE THUGS:

HOWE does koehler KNOW the dog don't think he's coming back to beat him
every twenty minutes for the same mistake, just because you're mad at
him, instead of just TRAINING him???

See what I mean? You can't justify that.

Tell us HOWE the dog knows he shouldn't be barking? That is, until the
beatings take effect, after ENOUGH lessons of "hard spankings of long
duration??? It's IN THE BOOK.

Tell us  HOWE COME you think dogs might want to take a big chunk out of
an abusive Thug who beats him every twenty minutes for crappin on the
floor in a room you've restricted him to for this purpose, and then
tied him next to a forced accident?

And when koehler OCCASIONALLY finds a dog who objects to his training,
why does he HANG the dog, instead of calming them down and teaching
them there's nothing to be afraid of???

That's the ONLY question ANYONE of you CAN answer.

The answer is OBVIOUS.

koehler trainers are DOG ABUSING COWARDS

HOWE MUCH brains does it take to beat a dog every twenty minutes for
the same mistake you've tied it next to???

But I might like shooting them with a sling shot or BB gun better, you
know, to teach the dog to WANT to stay at home

Our professor of behavior Wisc. U., lyingdoc dermer
endorses koehler. (He said: "I punish dog's behavior,
NOT the dog."

"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."

You gonna believe THAT CRAP, PEOPLE???

Ask PROFESSOR DERMER to tell us HOWE the dog understands
koehler coming back every twenty minutes to punish him again
for the same mistake he's tied him up next to, to housetrain him???

Go ahead and ASK HIM. The dirty COWARD won't talk to me about it.
He won't talk to Marilyn about it, and he can't say SHE'S been INCIVIL
WITH HIM. We know HOWE SENSITIVE our koehler trainers are...

Koehler On Correcting The Barking Dog

Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt
that you've conveniently placed, and descend on him.
He'll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and
reel him in until his front feet are  raised off the floor or, if
he's a big dog, until you've snubbed him up with a hitch
on something (ceiling hook, rafters, tree limb, door, or
even over your shoulder, if you know HOWE. j.h.)

While he's held in close, lay the strap vigorously against
his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it's the
bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat
on the number of repeat performances that will
be necessary. When you're finished and the dog is
convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think
things over while you catch your breath. After fif*** or
twenty minutes, release him from the stay and leave the
area again."

"Read koehler for content" marquis de shaw, IDIOT, ***, rpdb
regular.

"I LOVE KOHELER" lyinglynn, pathological liar, noted dog abuser.

"There's much wisdom in koehler," deana pace. (Her dogs run away from
home.)

"Read koehler," lyingdogDUMMY. (koehler is all he understands.)

"Read koehler & cindymorons k-9 web faq's page," ludwig smith.

"Don't let him do that & read cindymooreon's web page," *** maida.

Quote:
> lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
> For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
> pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.
> When he barks, use the line for a correction.

Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and
says:

"I don't beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the
benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses
not to read the article (SHE'D REALLY LIKE IT IF
YOU DON'T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of
"twisting ears (INDEED, SHE PINCHES THEM WITH
SPIKES).

"Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less
tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking
them more sharply.

REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG.

I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO
BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM).

I would never advise anyone to slap a dog
(SHE'S A PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER, do you
expect her to ADMIT THE TRUTH???).

I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever,
where slapping a dog is anything but destructive."

RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists... and chin cuff
doesn't mean hit, according to lyinglynn and avrama....

amy lyingfrosty dahl continues:

Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent
that resisting your will fades in importance.

but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch

even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against
that

if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try
pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even
the buckle on the collar.

Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in"

 
 
 

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Post by blackdog.. » Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:50:39




Quote:
> Try this. Pay attention

                         http://www.i1.net/~dogman/jerry.html

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