barking barking barking!!!

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barking barking barking!!!

Post by mary » Thu, 17 May 2001 12:48:03



hello all,
my dog barks nonstop when playing.  I have tried correcting him by snapping
his lead but it has no effect.  I have tried ignoring him but he just
follows me around with the ball in his mouth dropping it every few steps to
bark.  I love the little guy but he is part beagle and the bark is like a
knife in my head.  I have been working with him for a few months but with no
success.  Any ideas??  I have thought about the anti bark collars but they
seem mean.  What do you think?
 
 
 

barking barking barking!!!

Post by Jeffrey Chee » Thu, 17 May 2001 13:00:56



Quote:
> hello all,
> my dog barks nonstop when playing.  I have tried correcting him by
snapping
> his lead but it has no effect.  I have tried ignoring him but he just
> follows me around with the ball in his mouth dropping it every few steps
to
> bark.  I love the little guy but he is part beagle and the bark is like a
> knife in my head.  I have been working with him for a few months but with
no
> success.  Any ideas??  I have thought about the anti bark collars but they
> seem mean.  What do you think?

Prob'ly defective. Send him to me and I will open him up and check him out.
Priority Mail should only run $3.95 if he's a little buggar. ;-)
 
 
 

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Post by David & Janette Sweene » Thu, 17 May 2001 12:28:28


you didnt say how old he is? Dave

Quote:



> > hello all,
> > my dog barks nonstop when playing.  I have tried correcting him by
> snapping
> > his lead but it has no effect.  I have tried ignoring him but he just
> > follows me around with the ball in his mouth dropping it every few steps
> to
> > bark.  I love the little guy but he is part beagle and the bark is like
a
> > knife in my head.  I have been working with him for a few months but
with
> no
> > success.  Any ideas??  I have thought about the anti bark collars but
they
> > seem mean.  What do you think?

> Prob'ly defective. Send him to me and I will open him up and check him
out.
> Priority Mail should only run $3.95 if he's a little buggar. ;-)

 
 
 

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Post by Jeffrey Chee » Thu, 17 May 2001 13:35:52



Quote:



> > hello all,
> > my dog barks nonstop when playing.  I have tried correcting him by
> snapping
> > his lead but it has no effect.  I have tried ignoring him but he just
> > follows me around with the ball in his mouth dropping it every few steps
> to
> > bark.  I love the little guy but he is part beagle and the bark is like
a
> > knife in my head.  I have been working with him for a few months but
with
> no
> > success.  Any ideas??  I have thought about the anti bark collars but
they
> > seem mean.  What do you think?

And, if he is out-of-warranty...

every time he [demands your attention], give it to him, as if he is asking
for the following: command him to down, then up. then down, then up... five
or six times each episode. Then, drop the leash, say nothing, and walk away.
He'll find something else to bother you with, but he'll stop the barking.

--If you haven't taught him to down on command, he's barking at you to
demand you start teaching him things.

 
 
 

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Post by Evelyn Ruu » Thu, 17 May 2001 19:10:08



Quote:
> hello all,
> my dog barks nonstop when playing.  I have tried correcting him by
snapping
> his lead but it has no effect.  I have tried ignoring him but he just
> follows me around with the ball in his mouth dropping it every few steps
to
> bark.  I love the little guy but he is part beagle and the bark is like a
> knife in my head.  I have been working with him for a few months but with
no
> success.  Any ideas??  I have thought about the anti bark collars but they
> seem mean.  What do you think?

Dear Mary,

Since all the replies to your problem seem to have been tongue-in-cheek, I
think I may be the only one to have any kind of real offering thus far.
Perhaps others will contribute as well.

How about taking him for a walk with a muzzle on?   Perhaps he wants you to
play with him with the ball and this is why he is barking.   Leave the ball
home a few times,and just take him out for a good long walk and see if it is
any better.

Distracting him with some small obedience exercises might also be a help,
like sitting and staying and the like.

Remember too that this particular breed is a breed that barks a lot anyway,
so you are bucking his genetic makeup and trying to overlay it with
training.

It is my opinion that too many dogs are put to sleep in this country for odd
behaviors that the owners just got sick of trying to live with and have no
idea how to stop.   If a no-bark collar can help you to train your dog out
of an annoying behavior that "goes through your head like a knife", it is
worth trying, since the next step might be getting rid of your dog because
of said annoying behavior.

Therefore my reasoning says, better a no-bark collar for extreme annoying
behavior, than to be put to sleep or gotten rid of for that behavior.

Ordinarily I would not deprive the animal of his "voice" but between the
genetic predisposition, and the fact that this behavior seems to be
developing into an ingrained habit, some more extreme measures may be
necessary to break it and stop it from becoming a behavior that totally
turns you off the dog forever.

Best Regards,
Evelyn

 
 
 

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Post by Helle Haugene » Thu, 17 May 2001 20:10:28




Quote:
>hello all,
>my dog barks nonstop when playing.  I have tried correcting him by snapping
>his lead but it has no effect.  I have tried ignoring him but he just
>follows me around with the ball in his mouth dropping it every few steps to
>bark.  I love the little guy but he is part beagle and the bark is like a
>knife in my head.  I have been working with him for a few months but with no
>success.  Any ideas??

Hi Mary,

Keep the stress down.. if play is causing the barking it's a sign of
stress.

You say you have tried everything, including ignoring and correction.
Just a thought; is it possible that he has you trained on command? For
instance, you ignore him, he comes after you with his ball and drops
it to bark. What do you do? Eventually you do something to make him
stop barking, right? Attention. Next time he knows it worked and can
keep it up longer and he ends up getting attention once again. Next
time he will keep at it for even longer, cos it worked last time. Etc.

What I suggest is that you work with the little periods of quietness
and make them as pleasant for him as possible. Use treats if you'd
like. Try to quit before he has time to start barking. When you fail
to quit in time and he starts barking, calm things down into boring.
Work passively to calm him down instead of yelling or doing other
things you know will cause him to continue.

Keep the play calm. I gather that stressful playing will wind him up
and cause him to bark, so try to find the balance where you have fun,
yet he is calm enough to not bark. Invent new games that cause less
stress. You can do anything for nose work to obedience as long as it's
fun for you both.

If he's very stressed by the ball, you may want either take it away
completely. You can also take it away from him during no-play periods.
That way the ball can be his reward for quietness. But be careful
about how you do it. You don't want to create a toy aggressive dog in
addition to a barking dog. Trade the ball with a treat when the game
is over (not while barking though).

Quote:
>I have thought about the anti bark collars but they
>seem mean.  What do you think?

I agree with you and  would rather see that you get to the bottom of
this and find the cause, than just treat the 'symptom'.

Let me know if I misunderstood or made too many assumptions :-)

Helle
--

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Post by MaryBet » Thu, 17 May 2001 21:04:53



Quote:
> hello all,
> my dog barks nonstop when playing.  I have tried correcting him by snapping
> his lead but it has no effect.  I have tried ignoring him but he just
> follows me around with the ball in his mouth

    I had the same problem with Ceilidh, but only going to the River to swim,
she gets soooo e***d. She's not much into balls except retrieving in water.
But she LOVES twigs. (Actually was the happiest day of her life when Hurricane
Floyd came thru, *TWIGS* from Heaven, everywhere!! She didn't want to come in at
all that day. <G>)
    So now I use those and it seems to last a bit longer, plus she'd rather
retrieve sticks.
    Can you find something else he just LOVES to hold or carry in the house?

    I'm sure more ppl will come up with better plans, like behavi***changes,
but it's too early for me. :)

MaryBeth

 
 
 

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Post by MaryBet » Thu, 17 May 2001 21:14:41


<Snip of lots of great answers from Helle, as uaual :)>

. Invent new games that cause less

Quote:
> stress. You can do anything for nose work to obedience as long as it's
> fun for you both.

    One thing I do in the home, when I can't exercise them enough outside, (my
knees), I put them in one room, then even as they are barking a little, (Rudy,
my golden, not known for barking will do his Santa impression, "Ho Ho Ho", just
in anticipation, so we've put it on cue now <G>), as soon as released they will
run around the house hiding pieces of kibble, ALL over, in really hard to find
places. Your beagle should be able to find these, but it's the barking in the
waiting that may not work so well for you.

    Do you have your own home, away from neighbors? Or are you in an apt.?

MaryBeth

 
 
 

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Post by Jerry How » Thu, 17 May 2001 22:16:17


Hello evelyn,

"No bark" collars are cruel and abusive. They do not train a dog to
do anything, although they may hurt and intimidate the dog. The
result of repressing a dog's expression through fear and pain is
problematical in that it may cause other temperament problems
including aggression, self-mutliation, digging, pacing, whining,
chewing, intestinal and digestive disorders, and seizure activity.

ANY use of shock or ***devices is cruel, inhumane, ignorant, and
potentially dangerous for humans and deadly to the dog.

And finally, any poster recommending shocking and *** dogs is
going to face extreme criticism, ridicule, and public embarrassment,
from me.

I suggest you re-read the original post, and notice the problem is
not the dog, but that the original poster is JERKING and *** her
dog ("snapping his lead") and THAT'S what's wrong with this dog...

NOW GET IT STRAIGHT or GET THE HEEL OUTTA HERE.

Your pal, Jerry "The PHONY," Howe. j;~}


Quote:



> > hello all,
> > my dog barks nonstop when playing.  I have tried correcting him
by
> snapping
> > his lead but it has no effect.  I have tried ignoring him but he
just
> > follows me around with the ball in his mouth dropping it every
few steps
> to
> > bark.  I love the little guy but he is part beagle and the bark
is like a
> > knife in my head.  I have been working with him for a few months
but with
> no
> > success.  Any ideas??  I have thought about the anti bark
collars but they
> > seem mean.  What do you think?

> Dear Mary,

> Since all the replies to your problem seem to have been
tongue-in-cheek, I
> think I may be the only one to have any kind of real offering thus
far.
> Perhaps others will contribute as well.

> How about taking him for a walk with a muzzle on?   Perhaps he
wants you to
> play with him with the ball and this is why he is barking.   Leave
the ball
> home a few times,and just take him out for a good long walk and
see if it is
> any better.

> Distracting him with some small obedience exercises might also be
a help,
> like sitting and staying and the like.

> Remember too that this particular breed is a breed that barks a
lot anyway,
> so you are bucking his genetic makeup and trying to overlay it
with
> training.

> It is my opinion that too many dogs are put to sleep in this
country for odd
> behaviors that the owners just got sick of trying to live with and
have no
> idea how to stop.   If a no-bark collar can help you to train your
dog out
> of an annoying behavior that "goes through your head like a
knife", it is
> worth trying, since the next step might be getting rid of your dog
because
> of said annoying behavior.

> Therefore my reasoning says, better a no-bark collar for extreme
annoying
> behavior, than to be put to sleep or gotten rid of for that
behavior.

> Ordinarily I would not deprive the animal of his "voice" but
between the
> genetic predisposition, and the fact that this behavior seems to
be
> developing into an ingrained habit, some more extreme measures may
be
> necessary to break it and stop it from becoming a behavior that
totally
> turns you off the dog forever.

> Best Regards,
> Evelyn

 
 
 

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Post by Lisa » Thu, 17 May 2001 22:46:40


Evelyn,

Sorry, but I wouldn't recommend an "anti-bark" collar.  I believe they can
malfunction when the dog coughs... plus, a muzzle might increase the dog's
anxiety.

My dog had a different barking problem--he barked frenziedly at the door
when someone came to visit, jumped on the love seat by my front window and
tore my curtains down.  (!!)  I fixed this problem in a few days... and
didn't use the anti-bark collar or a muzzle.  Now when he barks at the front
door, he's not frenzied... nor does he leap up and tear my curtains down.

Helle posted some good advice (as usual)... I'd try that if I were the OP.

Regards,
Lisa


Quote:



> > hello all,
> > my dog barks nonstop when playing.  I have tried correcting him by
> snapping
> > his lead but it has no effect.  I have tried ignoring him but he just
> > follows me around with the ball in his mouth dropping it every few steps
> to
> > bark.  I love the little guy but he is part beagle and the bark is like
a
> > knife in my head.  I have been working with him for a few months but
with
> no
> > success.  Any ideas??  I have thought about the anti bark collars but
they
> > seem mean.  What do you think?

> Dear Mary,

> Since all the replies to your problem seem to have been tongue-in-cheek, I
> think I may be the only one to have any kind of real offering thus far.
> Perhaps others will contribute as well.

> How about taking him for a walk with a muzzle on?   Perhaps he wants you
to
> play with him with the ball and this is why he is barking.   Leave the
ball
> home a few times,and just take him out for a good long walk and see if it
is
> any better.

> Distracting him with some small obedience exercises might also be a help,
> like sitting and staying and the like.

> Remember too that this particular breed is a breed that barks a lot
anyway,
> so you are bucking his genetic makeup and trying to overlay it with
> training.

> It is my opinion that too many dogs are put to sleep in this country for
odd
> behaviors that the owners just got sick of trying to live with and have no
> idea how to stop.   If a no-bark collar can help you to train your dog out
> of an annoying behavior that "goes through your head like a knife", it is
> worth trying, since the next step might be getting rid of your dog because
> of said annoying behavior.

> Therefore my reasoning says, better a no-bark collar for extreme annoying
> behavior, than to be put to sleep or gotten rid of for that behavior.

> Ordinarily I would not deprive the animal of his "voice" but between the
> genetic predisposition, and the fact that this behavior seems to be
> developing into an ingrained habit, some more extreme measures may be
> necessary to break it and stop it from becoming a behavior that totally
> turns you off the dog forever.

> Best Regards,
> Evelyn

 
 
 

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Post by MaryBet » Thu, 17 May 2001 23:00:34


Geeeeze I said it was too early....

I said:
 "as soon as released they will

Quote:
> run around the house, hiding pieces of kibble"

It should have been,
    "trying to find the hidden pieces of kibble".

    I figured you'd get the gist but wanted to be sure. I didn't want you to
think my dogs are THAT great. My dogs won't hide kibble. <G> I hide it, they
find it.

    Heh. Now THAT is the kind of typo eveyone can laugh at. :)
    Oh, what a vision, especially if you knew my labby gal. ROFLMAO Something
for the "Far Side".

MaryBeth

 
 
 

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Post by Lisa » Thu, 17 May 2001 23:07:59


MaryBeth,

I noticed that, thought... wow, those dogs show a lot of self restraint.
:-)

-Lisa

Quote:
> Geeeeze I said it was too early....


> I said:
>  "as soon as released they will
> > run around the house, hiding pieces of kibble"

> It should have been,
>     "trying to find the hidden pieces of kibble".

>     I figured you'd get the gist but wanted to be sure. I didn't want you
to
> think my dogs are THAT great. My dogs won't hide kibble. <G> I hide it,
they
> find it.

>     Heh. Now THAT is the kind of typo eveyone can laugh at. :)
>     Oh, what a vision, especially if you knew my labby gal. ROFLMAO
Something
> for the "Far Side".

> MaryBeth

 
 
 

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Post by Patc » Thu, 17 May 2001 23:48:55



Quote:



> > hello all,
> > my dog barks nonstop when playing.  I have tried correcting him by
> snapping
> > his lead but it has no effect.  I have tried ignoring him but he just
> > follows me around with the ball in his mouth dropping it every few steps
> to
> > bark.  I love the little guy but he is part beagle and the bark is like
a
> > knife in my head.  I have been working with him for a few months but
with
> no
> > success.  Any ideas??  I have thought about the anti bark collars but
they
> > seem mean.  What do you think?

> Dear Mary,

> Since all the replies to your problem seem to have been tongue-in-cheek, I
> think I may be the only one to have any kind of real offering thus far.
> Perhaps others will contribute as well.

> How about taking him for a walk with a muzzle on?

I think that would exacerbate the problem by adding moor frustration to the
situation, IMO.

Perhaps he wants you to

Quote:
> play with him with the ball and this is why he is barking.   Leave the
ball
> home a few times,and just take him out for a good long walk and see if it
is
> any better.

I would certainly see if the reaction was the same to different stimuli /
toys / actions.

Quote:

> Distracting him with some small obedience exercises might also be a help,
> like sitting and staying and the like.

Preferably before playing ball to help him focus.

Quote:

> Remember too that this particular breed is a breed that barks a lot
anyway,
> so you are bucking his genetic makeup and trying to overlay it with
> training.

Perhaps teaching him to bark on cue would be a big help. He would be able to
bark, but would be in a more acceptable way. If he has a command for barking
[ speak / talk / whatever ], it would be the best of both worlds. I would
reward him [ praise ] for barking on cue, and redirect for doing so at
unwelcome times [ by stopping the game causing the barking and working on
something else instead ].

Patch