Moon's Graden

Just joined...I'm VERY new to this but I wanted to introduce myself.
I look forward to learning and sharing new things about our four-
legged friends.
~Jenny    ^..^   "

Hi, my dog's name is Muttley, and he is healthy, but has had some behavior
issues, both good and bad. So I usually post about that in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior. Does your dog have health issues, or do you have
some questions about his or her diet? Any advice you can offer?

Welcome to usenet.

Paul and Muttley

Hi Jenny and welcome. I'm very new to this also but I hope you have as much
fun as I do reading Jerry Howes posts. You will find this NG to be a
political training ground similar to Coronado where they train Navy Seals. I
personally have never witnessed so many personal agendas in one place but
what I can rely on is Jerry to be a clear voice of reason, wisdom and wit
with the best interests of  dogs first and foremost.

Can't wait to see the flack this post draws..

Steve

I'd like to second that!

Thanks, Everybody...Guess I'm in the right place for all things D-O-
g!  ;)
^..^   '

HOWEDY Chardonnay9,

Thank you~!

Seconded <{}: ~ ) >

                ALL IN FAVOR SAY HOWEDY~!
                                 <{}'; ~ ) >

"Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >"

Muttley says you're a bit "rrruuff" on people on your ideas are a bit "fur
out", but you do love dogs. And he also told me to send follow-ups to
rec.pets.dogs.behavior...

P&M

HOWEDY paul e. schoen, you pathetic miserable
stinkin rotten lyin animal ***in punk thug coward
active acute chronic life-long INCURABLE Malignant
MaliciHOWES NAZI MENTAL PATIENT,

                        INDEED?

               Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS:

rec.pets.dogs.health:

There are no wars, just gainsay. You ***tard.

--
--Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

                         ------------------

                              SEE??

            BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!

                           LIKE THIS:

 If the dog is really meek you might be able to convince it
 that it's going to DIE if it messes with the cat.  But even
 then it's probably not going to be trustworthy and you'd
 need to supervise interactions, anyway.

                                  ----------------

                     BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

HOWE COME would these EXXXPERTS set their
INFORMATIVE POSTS to EXXXPIRE in six days
matty a.k.a. Rocky, elegy, montana, diddler, professora
melanie chang, cindy title moore of k9web.com, marquis
de "READ KOEHLER FOR CONTENT" shaw and not
so happy, not so handsome, not so gentle jackass,not
even jack morrison, a.k.a. BIG DADDY a.k.a.DOGMAN
a.k.a. tommy sorenson of sorenson's Retriever PUPPY
MILL and SHOCK COLLAR SALES??

Are they EMBARRASSED by their own words, the
lyin animal ***in punk thug coward mental cases
frauds an SCAM ARTISTS?

                             LIKE THIS:

For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame.  Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine.

                What an idiotic response!

                             Whoops.

                      ---------------------------

                              SEE??

            BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!

                    HERE'S HOWE COME:

       Subject: Re: Leg Humper
       Date: 1999/09/14

       > By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume
       > that you are suggesting that the people knee the
       > dog in the chest. If  that's what you meant, just
       > say it, instead of beating around the bush to avoid
       > criticism from people like me. That kind of ***has
       > got to stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean
       > you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods
       > of dealing with behavior problems.

       Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
       up until this last paragraph.

       Why did you blow it?

       --Matt

          rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
          > ***chains are outdated and barbaric in many
          >cases causing more harm than good.

          Back at you with flat buckle collars.  These are an
          incredibly abused training tool, what with the number
          of handlers I see pulling back and jerking on the leash
          with both hands.

          It's a good thing that most of us are here because of
          dogs' well-being and not an agenda.
          --
          --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

                         =============

                               SEE?

               BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA~!~!~!

                        AND LIKE THIS:

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right,
Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very
Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About
The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep The Pressure Up," sindy "
don't let the dog SCREAM" mooreon, author of HOWER
FAQ's pages on k9 web.

                   ----------------------------

                               SEE?

               BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA~!~!~!

                       AND LIKE THIS:

"Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain
And Punishment, High Tolerance For Correction, Escalation
Of Correction To A Level Where The Dog Yelps When You
Punish Him, Thus Making The Experience One Which The
Dog Will Want To Avoid In The Future," grant teeboon, RAAF.

                        ----------------------

                               SEE?

               BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA~!~!~!

                       AND LIKE THIS:

Here's HOWER DOG LOVER pal captain
arthur haggerty, USArmy K-9 Corps:

    captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK"
    Makes A ResoundingSound Distraction: "When
    You Chuck The Dog The Sound Will Travel Up
    The Mandible To The Ears And Give A Popping
    Sound To The Dog."

                        --------------------

                               SEE?

               BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA~!~!~!

                       AND LIKE THIS:

"An indelible impression can sometimes be made
by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration,
then leaving him tied by the mess he's made so you
can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish
him again for the same thing.

In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment.

It will be better for your dog, as well as the house,
if you really pour it on him," wm koehler.

                         -----------------

                               SEE?

               BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA~!~!~!

                       AND LIKE THIS:

Not so handsome, not so gentle, not so manly, not so
happy jackass not even morrison aka dogman aka BIG
DADDY tommy sorenson sez:

"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and shin.  Yep, really lean into it.

 Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
 make her think twice about rushing past you again -
 - which is exactly what you want her to do.

Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.

If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.

When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and nudge her with your knee.  Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."

I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training.  That is, she just
needs *more* of it."

 "My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
 And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
 to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
 I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.

 A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.

 Okay.  Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
 if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
 When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
 have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
 really matters.  Saving lives and making dogs become
 good citizens

        At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
         dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
         *not* constitute a "beating."

              =====================

                               SEE?

               BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA~!~!~!

                       AND LIKE THIS:

Borrowed from: "Puppy Raising Tips" from
professional trainers, John and Amy Dahl.

"Around four months many puppies can withstand a
correction. Unfortunately this is the time they start
teething and if their mouth hurts, they may act
generally sensitive. If this is the case, be patient and
wait for all those baby teeth to fall out.

In training, retrievers often respond to physical correction
better than verbal correction. While "NO!" is extremely
useful if puppy is about to bite an electrical cord or steal
food off the table, when you are teaching them something
(like obedience) a sharp jerk on their lead or swat with a
stick gets the message across with less emotion and less
effect on their confidence.

If they drop the dummy and act like their mouth hurts
when they are teething, stop all retrieving and wait for
their mouth to feel better. A correction should be just
severe enough to get the dog to respond.

Repeated weak corrections are very stressful to the dog."

                       -----------------------

                               SEE?

               BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA~!~!~!

                       AND LIKE THIS:

 "I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog
  I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Circumstance
  Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But
  Destructive," "I don't see why anyone would want
  to ***or beat a dog, or how any trainer could
  possibly get a good
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"Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >"

If someone hit my dog they could possibly be looking at their last 30
seconds of having teeth. As a complete amature I still know there are
peaceful ways of altering a dogs behaviour. Striking another living creature
should only ever be in defense, not discipline or training.

HOWEDY Steve,

               AND THAT'S HOWE COME DOGS DIE
                                     FROM
               The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ( >

LikeWIZE <{}'; ~ ) >

                    INDEEDY~!

                     LIKE THIS:

      Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
      UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
      Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
      Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
      Doggys.  <{) ; ~ ) >

      "...all the highest nervous activity, as it
      manifests itself in the conditional reflex,
      consists of a continual change of these three
      fundamental processes -- excitation, inhibition
      and disinhibition,"  Ivan P. Pavlov.

                             SEE?

                     AND LIKE THIS:

      "Postitive emotions arising in connection
      with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
      of its pragmatic significance at a given
      moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
      emotions, not outside rewards, are what
      reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.

                              SEE?

                          LIKE THIS:

A. S. Neill, The Famous Founder of The Summerhill
School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back
In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They
Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their
Behaviour Would Stop, - As If By MAGICK!

                               SEE?

               AND HERE'S HOWE COME:

The Embry Study:
"While some may find it strange that reprimands
might increase the chances of a child going into
the street, the literature on the experimental analysis
of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention
to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of
more inappropriate behavior.

Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason
with their children about dashing into the street will
likely to have the opposite impact.

Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it."

Source:

"Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to
Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic
Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis
in the Natural Environment. Research Report
Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."

                               SEE?

                       AND LIKE THIS:

  "All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz.

                AND HERE'S HOWE COME:

      "Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
      reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
      model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
      Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
      HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
      reward not received is experienced as a punishment
      and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
      (Azrin et al, 1966)."

                               SEE?

                AND HERE'S HOWE COME:

      "The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
      technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
      (1966) report a standard contingent reward /
      punishment procedure developing imitative speech
      in two severly disturbed non verbal schizophrenic
      boys. After twenty-six days the boys are reported
      to have been learning new words with alacrity.

           HOWEver, when REWARDS were moved to
      a delayed contingency the behavior and learning
      immediately deteriorated."

                              SEE?

               AND HERE'S HOWE COME:

      "It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
      deviant behavior of children can be achieved
      through brief, simple educative routines with
      their mothers which modify the mother's social
      behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
      clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
      child THERAPY through changing the clinical
      emphasis from clinical to parental HANDLING of
      the child (Szrynski 1965).

                              SEE?

               AND HERE'S HOWE COME:

      A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
      preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
      of children was required, and almost ALL cases SHOWE
      a remarkably shortened period for therapy. Quite severe
      cases of anorexia nervosa have been treated in own to
      five months by simply REPLACING the parents temporarily
      with EFFUSIVELY LOVING SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."

                        SEE? SEE?? SEE???

     APUPRIATE, EFFECTIVE, NON-PHYSICAL SCIENTIFIC
methods of raisin handlin trainin an care AIN'T matters of OPINION
or PREFERENCES; they're matters of SCIENCE and FACTS:

               Punishment ALWAYS Deranges Behavior.
           "NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavi***Function
                                   EXCEPT
                      To DERANGE Behaviors.

                                    SEE?

                        HERE'S HOWE COME:

B.F. Skinner: Re-evaluation of Punishment

Punishment, unfortunately traditionally overused,
actually has been proven not effective at long-
term behavi***change, and creatures will find
other ways of getting what it wants. In "Freedom
and the control of men" American Scholar, Winter
1955-56, 25, 47-65. 1956 he states:

If we no longer resort to torture in what we call
the civilized world, we nevertheless still make
extensive use of punitive techniques in both
domestic and foreign relations. And apparently for
good reasons. Nature if not God has created man
in such a way that he can be controlled punitively.

People quickly become skillful punishers (if not,
thereby, skillful controllers), whereas alternative
positive measures are not easily learned.

The need for punishment seems to have the support
of history, and alternative practices threaten the
cherished values of freedom and dignity.

Fear involved with punishment causes frustration:
with typical results loathing, hostility and apathy.
Skinner's teaching on the superiority of posittive
reinforcement's benefits for keeping desired behavior
have proved very valuable.

                              SEE?

               AND HERE'S HOWE COME:

Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005
Subject: Doggy advice

Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.

I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self *** - paw***ing, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).

You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavi***Medicine

                              SEE?

               AND HERE'S HOWE COME:

              The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

               I have studied canine behavior and dog training
               for years. I have a huge library that covers
               every system of training.

               The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End
               Training Method is by far the most scientific,
               the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest
               and the most effective training method yet
               discovered.

               It is not an assortment of training tips and
               tricks; it is a logically consistent system.
               Every behavior problem and every obedience
               skill is treated in the same logically
               consistent manner.

               Please study his manual carefully. Please
               endeavor to understand the basis of his system
               and please follow his directions exactly. His
               manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with
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