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Post by gary.thomas » Thu, 11 Jan 2001 05:52:26



Please can anyone help,
I own two Stafford bull terriers a *** who is 4 and was rescued and a dog
who is 2 from a puppy.
I cant get to grips with them at the moment they are causing all sorts of
stress
I love them dearly but am considering letting them go to better homes as the
quality of life for them and me is of great concern to me.
the problems are as follows

1 I walk the two of them together and the *** keeps pulling and pulling
and I pull her back ,she then starts to chew the lead and has broken free
before now !!!!!!!!!!

2 don't call at our house coz the dogs jump all over you and then when they
are stopped they fight each other in the middle of the lounge

3 as soon as I leave the room they start to wind each other up until they
fight or the *** try's to mount the dog !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have tried a clicker , a halti which she ripped off with her paws  I have
also tried micki discs and I threw them and they hit the dog in the eye
causing him to have a cataract !!!!!!!!!!!

can any help me solve this problem (can I be told how to solve the problem
so we can live together in a less stressful environment

best regards Gary      UK

 
 
 

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Post by gary.thomas » Thu, 11 Jan 2001 05:55:22


Please can anyone help,
I own two Stafford bull terriers a *** who is 4 and was rescued and a dog
who is 2 from a puppy.
I cant get to grips with them at the moment they are causing all sorts of
stress
I love them dearly but am considering letting them go to better homes as the
quality of life for them and me is of great concern to me.
the problems are as follows

1 I walk the two of them together and the *** keeps pulling and pulling
and I pull her back ,she then starts to chew the lead and has broken free
before now !!!!!!!!!!

2 don't call at our house coz the dogs jump all over you and then when they
are stopped they fight each other in the middle of the lounge

3 as soon as I leave the room they start to wind each other up until they
fight or the *** try's to mount the dog !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have tried a clicker , a halti which she ripped off with her paws  I have
also tried micki discs and I threw them and they hit the dog in the eye
causing him to have a cataract !!!!!!!!!!!

can any help me solve this problem (can I be told how to solve the problem
so we can live together in a less stressful environment

best regards Gary      UK

 
 
 

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Post by karma-dog-NO SPAM » Thu, 11 Jan 2001 06:17:53


Questions:

How long have you had the rescue? maybe she hasn't had time to settle in, could
have had some abuse/neglect in her past and may be over anxious

How much hard exercise do they get? Remember that 'a tired dog is a good dog'.

Are they spayed/neutered? If not I would suggest getting that done. My dog has
been much less anxious since he was neutered.

Have you taken these dogs to obedience school? I would look at an obedience
class. My dog had many of those behaviours and obedience school made a huge
difference for him. Its a praise/positive reinforcement based class, and he was
admittedly a challenge, but is much less high strung than before. If they are
fighting, you may also want to talk to someone who is familiar with dog
agression.

My dog is a Pit bull jack russell terrier mix. What that equals is a strong dog
(size of a small pit) with the energy, attention span and attitude of a JRT. He
was adopted from a shelter after an abusive first year of life. He almost drove
us crazy with chewing, seperation anxiety, hyperness etc., but we did our own
training and invested in obedience classes and allowed him to adjust. And
literally 'just like that' he became the wonderpet. He is not perfect at
obedience yet, but he is trying and learning every day. And if he has a hyper
day-- we take him for a loooong walk /run and usually he's too exhausted to
bother trying to get away with anything.

tara

Quote:

> Please can anyone help,
> I own two Stafford bull terriers a *** who is 4 and was rescued and a dog
> who is 2 from a puppy.
> I cant get to grips with them at the moment they are causing all sorts of
> stress
> I love them dearly but am considering letting them go to better homes as the
> quality of life for them and me is of great concern to me.
> the problems are as follows

> 1 I walk the two of them together and the *** keeps pulling and pulling
> and I pull her back ,she then starts to chew the lead and has broken free
> before now !!!!!!!!!!

> 2 don't call at our house coz the dogs jump all over you and then when they
> are stopped they fight each other in the middle of the lounge

> 3 as soon as I leave the room they start to wind each other up until they
> fight or the *** try's to mount the dog !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> I have tried a clicker , a halti which she ripped off with her paws  I have
> also tried micki discs and I threw them and they hit the dog in the eye
> causing him to have a cataract !!!!!!!!!!!

> can any help me solve this problem (can I be told how to solve the problem
> so we can live together in a less stressful environment

> best regards Gary      UK

 
 
 

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Post by Jerry How » Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:39:22


Hello dog ma,



Quote:
> Questions:
> How long have you had the rescue? maybe she hasn't
> had time to settle in,

That's not an acceptable excuse.

Quote:
> could have had some abuse/neglect in her past and
> may be over anxious

That's what my training techniques will address.

Quote:
> How much hard exercise do they get? Remember that > 'a tired dog is a good

dog'.

No. Exercise to control behavior problems is only avoiding the problem. When
the exercise routine is disrupted because of illness or weather, you're in
for big trouble.

Quote:
> Are they spayed/neutered?

Spaying and neutering is for birth control, NOT behavior problems.

Quote:
> If not I would suggest getting that done.

You would, I wouldn't. I've been training dogs for three dozen years. HOWE
long have you?

Quote:
> My dog has been much less anxious since he was
> neutered.

That so? Good for you. That's not usually the case.

Quote:
> Have you taken these dogs to obedience school?

Obedience school is likely to teach them the wrong things, and make the
situation worse. It will probably take weeks to get started in a class, and
more weeks and months to finish.

Quote:
> I would look at an obedience class.

I often do, and usually come away rather dissatisfied with the "lesson."

Quote:
> My dog had many of those behaviours and obedience
> school made a huge difference for him.

Well, perhaps you got lucky.

Quote:
> Its a praise/positive reinforcement based class, and
> he was admittedly a challenge, but is much less high
> strung than before.

Good. Probably could be better though.

Quote:
> If they are fighting, you may also want to talk to
> someone who is familiar with dog agression.

Yeah. Good luck.

Quote:
> My dog is a Pit bull jack russell terrier mix. What that
> equals is a strong dog (size of a small pit) with the
> energy, attention span and attitude of a JRT. He
> was adopted from a shelter after an abusive first year
> of life. He almost drove us crazy with chewing,
> seperation anxiety, hyperness etc., but we did our
> own training and invested in obedience classes and
> allowed him to adjust. And literally 'just like that' he
> became the wonderpet. He is not perfect at
>  obedience yet, but he is trying and learning every
> day.
> And if he has a hyper day-- we take him for a loooong
> walk /run and usually he's too exhausted to
> bother trying to get away with anything.

My methods will finish calming him down without the long walks.

Quote:
> tara

Sounds like you're doing pretty good. The chances of finding a good
obedience class are SLIM. I suggest you read the Wits' End Dog Training
Method manual to learn the things your obedience class overlooked.

The exercises in the Wits' End Dog Training Method
manual available for free at
http://www.doggydoright.com are designed exactly for
situations like this.

The Wits' End Dog Training Method manual is provided
by the BIOSOUND Scientific Elves as an alternative to
Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too).

Your pal, Jerry "The Phony," Howe.

 
 
 

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Post by Ruffruf » Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:40:12


Gary,
Read everything you can get your hands on.  Not every one method of training is
right for every dog and human partner.  Always, always use the methods with the
least amount of discipline as possible first, then you have somewhere to go if
they don't work.
The big thing - make everything fun and interesting for your dogs, and they
will improve by leaps and bounds.
Check out the Association of Pet Dog Trainers web page....they may have a
listing of trainers in your area.  And, if a trainer ever does anything or
suggests anything that you feel is not right for you and your dogs, don't do
it.  Ask or look for a different way.
 
 
 

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Post by Jerry How » Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:31:39


Excellent advice, Ruffruff1,

All the information they need is in the Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com


Quote:
> Gary,
> Read everything you can get your hands on.  Not every one method of
training is
> right for every dog and human partner.  Always, always use the methods
with the
> least amount of discipline as possible first, then you have somewhere to
go if
> they don't work.
> The big thing - make everything fun and interesting for your dogs, and
they
> will improve by leaps and bounds.
> Check out the Association of Pet Dog Trainers web page....they may have a
> listing of trainers in your area.  And, if a trainer ever does anything or
> suggests anything that you feel is not right for you and your dogs, don't
do
> it.  Ask or look for a different way.

 
 
 

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Post by Cind » Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:08:35


OK, juuuuuuuuuuust for you!


Quote:


>>Gary, Read everything you can get your hands on.  Not every one
>>method of training is right for every dog and human partner.

I suspect you didn't have a problem with this part, though.

Quote:
>>Always, always use the methods with the least amount of discipline
>>as possible first, then you have somewhere to go if they don't work.

>In my opinion, Ruff, that's not very good advice.

Cheers,
--Cindy
--

 
 
 

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Post by Marily » Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:49:15


Where do you live Gary?

--
Marilyn Bergeman
Somerset, UK
Domestic Dog Trainer
www.soundplaydogs.com

Author of 'Essentials for the Domestic Dog Owner' with six week training
course -  ISBN:  0953890619.


Quote:
> Please can anyone help,
> I own two Stafford bull terriers a *** who is 4 and was rescued and a
dog
> who is 2 from a puppy.
> I cant get to grips with them at the moment they are causing all sorts of
> stress
> I love them dearly but am considering letting them go to better homes as
the
> quality of life for them and me is of great concern to me.
> the problems are as follows

> 1 I walk the two of them together and the *** keeps pulling and pulling
> and I pull her back ,she then starts to chew the lead and has broken free
> before now !!!!!!!!!!

> 2 don't call at our house coz the dogs jump all over you and then when
they
> are stopped they fight each other in the middle of the lounge

> 3 as soon as I leave the room they start to wind each other up until they
> fight or the *** try's to mount the dog !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> I have tried a clicker , a halti which she ripped off with her paws  I
have
> also tried micki discs and I threw them and they hit the dog in the eye
> causing him to have a cataract !!!!!!!!!!!

> can any help me solve this problem (can I be told how to solve the problem
> so we can live together in a less stressful environment

> best regards Gary      UK