speaking of collars... plastic connector /buckle type

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speaking of collars... plastic connector /buckle type

Post by Sue and Jade » Sun, 09 Jul 2000 04:00:00



I was reading a post about a buckle collar and got to thinking.

Jadee has a nylon collar that has not a buckle, but a plastic connector.
I'm sure you know the type.  Squeeze the sides in, collar releases.

This collar has only been used for tagging purposes.   We've always walked
her on a training collar and have been recently trying walks without a
training, as we supposedly have our manners under control.  She does very
well, most of the time.  Ultimate goal for me is the ability to go leashless
on our walks.  Not that I would, just that I could.

Now the question:

 Has anyone had any problems with those coming undone under stress?  I'm not
talking a normal, non pulling walk, but a "look mom, a cat.. I'm saying the
heck with manners and sproinggggg... I'm at the end of the leash" .  It
seems pretty strong to me.

Do they hold up to the occassional jolt of a 70 lb lab on a flexi lead?  I'd
hate to have her collarless, and tagless while collarless.  Her recall isn't
100% yet, but that's another post.

Sue and Jadee

 
 
 

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Post by tibb » Sun, 09 Jul 2000 04:00:00



Quote:

>  Has anyone had any problems with those coming undone under stress?

I've heard of it happening occasionally.  Mostly it when the collar's
been under stress too enough.  Maybe replace the collar more frequently
if you get worried about it.

Quote:
> Do they hold up to the occassional jolt of a 70 lb lab on a flexi lead?  

When I have Heris on flexi she's in a harness with plastic buckles, and
haven't had any problems with it.
 
 
 

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Post by Cindy Tittle Moo » Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:00:00




Quote:
> Has anyone had any problems with those coming undone under stress?  I'm not
>talking a normal, non pulling walk, but a "look mom, a cat.. I'm saying the
>heck with manners and sproinggggg... I'm at the end of the leash" .

Yep -- 8 month old Lab puppy, "Look Mom, a VOLLEYBALL!!"  **pow**

--Cindy

 
 
 

speaking of collars... plastic connector /buckle type

Post by shell » Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:00:00


On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:50:01 -0400, "Sue and Jadee"

Quote:

> Has anyone had any problems with those coming undone under stress?  

elliott broke one when he was younger.  however, that
doesn't say as much about the breakability of the collars as
it does about elliott's strength and determination. <G>
when he gets e***d about something, i cease to exist.
he's *much* better at paying attention to me now, but it's
been a constant struggle.

i now use a martingale collar on him for everyday.
martingales are easy to slip on and off plus they're sturdy
and nearly impossible to slip out of while on lead.

shelly and elliott & harriet
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Post by Sue and Jade » Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:00:00


damn, i was afraid of that.   Thanks.

Sue and Jadee



Quote:


> > Has anyone had any problems with those coming undone under stress?  I'm
not
> >talking a normal, non pulling walk, but a "look mom, a cat.. I'm saying
the
> >heck with manners and sproinggggg... I'm at the end of the leash" .

> Yep -- 8 month old Lab puppy, "Look Mom, a VOLLEYBALL!!"  **pow**

> --Cindy

 
 
 

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Post by vagabond... » Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:00:00


I've had them come apart under stress, but it took more than one pull.  I think
they are designed to give under repeated stress so they don't hang a dog.  I was
actually trying to see about that because I keep them collared and tagged all
the time.  I was therefore happy that I could get it to break apart with enough
force.  I haven't had to worry about it coming apart under normal conditions,
though.
Paula
Quote:

> I was reading a post about a buckle collar and got to thinking.

> Jadee has a nylon collar that has not a buckle, but a plastic connector.
> I'm sure you know the type.  Squeeze the sides in, collar releases.

> This collar has only been used for tagging purposes.   We've always walked
> her on a training collar and have been recently trying walks without a
> training, as we supposedly have our manners under control.  She does very
> well, most of the time.  Ultimate goal for me is the ability to go leashless
> on our walks.  Not that I would, just that I could.

> Now the question:

>  Has anyone had any problems with those coming undone under stress?  I'm not
> talking a normal, non pulling walk, but a "look mom, a cat.. I'm saying the
> heck with manners and sproinggggg... I'm at the end of the leash" .  It
> seems pretty strong to me.

> Do they hold up to the occassional jolt of a 70 lb lab on a flexi lead?  I'd
> hate to have her collarless, and tagless while collarless.  Her recall isn't
> 100% yet, but that's another post.

> Sue and Jadee

 
 
 

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Post by brije » Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Has anyone had any problems with those coming undone under stress?  I'm not

Quote:
> talking a normal, non pulling walk, but a "look mom, a cat.. I'm saying
the
> heck with manners and sproinggggg... I'm at the end of the leash" .  It
> seems pretty strong to me.

> Do they hold up to the occassional jolt of a 70 lb lab on a flexi lead?
I'd
> hate to have her collarless, and tagless while collarless.  Her recall
isn't
> 100% yet, but that's another post.

> Sue and Jadee

>HI Sue,

No, they don't. I work at a pet store, and you would not beleive how many of
those collars get returned for that reason! If I were to hazard a guess, I'd
say about 65% of those sold. They are really only good for tag-holding only,
IMO.

Jenn

 
 
 

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Post by Jerry How » Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Hello Sue and Jadee,



Quote:
> Now the question:
>  Has anyone had any problems with those coming undone under
> stress?

Oh, oh. Wrong question. The question should be, ''should my dog be
pulling on her collar?"

Quote:
> I'm not talking a normal, non pulling walk, but a "look mom,
> a cat.. I'm saying the heck with manners and sproinggggg... I'm at
> the end of the leash" .  It seems pretty strong to me.

Most people don't tell me ''my dog is all trained, but she won't
behave, she pulls on the lead and chases cats."

Quote:
> Do they hold up to the occassional jolt of a 70 lb lab on a flexi

lead?

Oh, oh. Wrong question again. Mostly I'm concerned with the dog
holding up to the occasional jolt of a dog on a fif*** foot lead.

Quote:
> I'd hate to have her collarless, and tagless while collarless.  Her
> recall isn't 100% yet, but that's another post.

Oh, oh. Wrong question again. If the dog does not come everytime the
first time he's called, he hasn't learned the come command.

Quote:
> Sue and Jadee

I think you're asking the right questions. Instead of worrying about
forcing control and making her behave, focus on teaching her to be
calm and relaxed, and to instantly come to you the first time you
call. It should take just a couple of hours work to get everything to
happen as it should, but you can't do it with muscle... Jerry.

"Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and
judge things by reason's way, not by popular say." Montaigne

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hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are
appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the punisher,
or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can't train your
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centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter.

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seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless
hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.
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Post by Jerry How » Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Surprise, surprise, surprise... j;~)


Quote:
> On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:50:01 -0400, "Sue and Jadee"

> > Has anyone had any problems with those coming undone under
stress?

> elliott broke one when he was younger.  however, that
> doesn't say as much about the breakability of the collars as
> it does about elliott's strength and determination. <G>
> when he gets e***d about something, i cease to exist.
> he's *much* better at paying attention to me now, but it's
> been a constant struggle.

> i now use a martingale collar on him for everyday.
> martingales are easy to slip on and off plus they're sturdy
> and nearly impossible to slip out of while on lead.

> shelly and elliott & harriet
> http://www.moonsgarden.com/
> remove SPAMALOPE for e-mail
> --
> I recommend to all rpdb readers that Jerry Howe
> should be ignored as a crank and waste of time

 
 
 

speaking of collars... plastic connector /buckle type

Post by May » Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:00:00


I have not used one of these collars, but have lots of other stuff
with the same plastic fasteners.  They are said to be unbreakable, but
quite a number of them have eventually broken, especially when
suddenly jerked, like they would be on a dog's collar.  Personally, I
would not trust them.  That being said, it is not unheard of for metal
fittings to break as well.

---
Ruth Mays
Beautiful Downtown Cinnaminson

It's important to keep an open mind,
But not so open that your brains fall out.

 
 
 

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Post by louise richmon » Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:00:00


I had this prob with a boxer at kennels i used to work at. He hated kennels
so you had to hold his collor to prevent him escaping when you went through
the kennel door....but the collor undid itself and he escaped into the
corridor!

I now use half check collors on my***er spaniels and find them really
good. Less harsh than a check chain and will hold id tag and won't ***dog
like a check chain if 'hung' but on the same idea....wont come off when hung
but IMO all dogs should be supervised when wearing colars. Mine dont wear
them in the house as they are show dogs but also the garden etc is made
secure.

louise

http://www.moonsgarden.com/



Quote:
> I was reading a post about a buckle collar and got to thinking.

> Jadee has a nylon collar that has not a buckle, but a plastic connector.
> I'm sure you know the type.  Squeeze the sides in, collar releases.

> This collar has only been used for tagging purposes.   We've always walked
> her on a training collar and have been recently trying walks without a
> training, as we supposedly have our manners under control.  She does very
> well, most of the time.  Ultimate goal for me is the ability to go
leashless
> on our walks.  Not that I would, just that I could.

> Now the question:

>  Has anyone had any problems with those coming undone under stress?  I'm
not
> talking a normal, non pulling walk, but a "look mom, a cat.. I'm saying
the
> heck with manners and sproinggggg... I'm at the end of the leash" .  It
> seems pretty strong to me.

> Do they hold up to the occassional jolt of a 70 lb lab on a flexi lead?
I'd
> hate to have her collarless, and tagless while collarless.  Her recall
isn't
> 100% yet, but that's another post.

> Sue and Jadee

 
 
 

speaking of collars... plastic connector /buckle type

Post by Sue and Jade » Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Ours are stamped "ITW NEXIS" on one, and "NATIONAL MOLDING" on the other.


Quote:
> I wonder about the brand of buckle used.  The original, said to be
> unbreakable buckle is called a Fastex buckle, and it is stamped on the
> buckle.  Do you suppose there are some cheap copies out there?

<snip>
 
 
 

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Post by jd.. » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00


I wonder about the brand of buckle used.  The original, said to be
unbreakable buckle is called a Fastex buckle, and it is stamped on the
buckle.  Do you suppose there are some cheap copies out there?  I prefer
metal buckles myself, but that is because of my background with horses.  My
partner the mechanical engineer said they tested some fastex buckles for use
at his job, and they were as strong as advertised.  jdoee

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Quote:

> Has anyone had any problems with those coming undone under stress?  I'm not
>> talking a normal, non pulling walk, but a "look mom, a cat.. I'm saying
> the
>> heck with manners and sproinggggg... I'm at the end of the leash" .  It
>> seems pretty strong to me.

>> Do they hold up to the occassional jolt of a 70 lb lab on a flexi lead?
> I'd
>> hate to have her collarless, and tagless while collarless.  Her recall
> isn't
>> 100% yet, but that's another post.

>> Sue and Jadee

>>HI Sue,

> No, they don't. I work at a pet store, and you would not beleive how many of
> those collars get returned for that reason! If I were to hazard a guess, I'd
> say about 65% of those sold. They are really only good for tag-holding only,
> IMO.

> Jenn

 
 
 

speaking of collars... plastic connector /buckle type

Post by May » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00



floss on pure irish linen:

Quote:
>I wonder about the brand of buckle used.  The original, said to be
>unbreakable buckle is called a Fastex buckle, and it is stamped on the
>buckle.  Do you suppose there are some cheap copies out there?

The ones that broke on me were Fastex, it was stamped right on them.
Yes, they are said to be unbreakable.....but mine broke anyway.  I
guess nobody told the buckle...

---
Ruth Mays
Beautiful Downtown Cinnaminson

It's important to keep an open mind,
But not so open that your brains fall out.

 
 
 

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Post by WebbWea » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Why not get a good, sturdy leather collar for the tags? Moon wears hers all the
time, only takes it off while *IN* a show. Martingales and whatever other
collars can go on at the same time.
I found one that has an O ring at the back of the neck (for hooking onto) which
leaves the tags (charms)*** down in front. So if (when) she pulls, she
doesn't get tags in the ear.
Jane Webb
 & Moonpie