FAT, FAT, FAT dogs

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FAT, FAT, FAT dogs

Post by G.E.Brookha » Sun, 05 Jun 1994 01:40:35



I was at a dog show recently and I was absolutely dismayed at how
many absolutely OBESE dogs there are in the breed ring.  I was
watching Bouvier des Flandres the most intensely but the Bearded
Collies and Australian Shepherds sharing the ring were just as
chunky.

Is Fat in this year on the show circuit?  Dogs were positively
rolling and waddling when they were asked to gait around the ring
and I can't help but cringe at how hard this is on the dogs.

So, what gives?  Why are people who should know better letting so
many dogs go to fat?

Curious in Cincinnati,

Gail

and three very trim dogs -- Casey, Toby and Reuben


 
 
 

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Post by Patty Studebaker Bra » Sun, 05 Jun 1994 03:57:12


Quote:


>Subject: Re: FAT, FAT, FAT dogs
>Date: 3 Jun 1994 18:24:25 GMT

[stuff deleted]

Quote:
>To anyone tuning into this thread, you should be able to easily
>feel your dog's ribs and see a waist--unless you have an extremely
>hairy, cowlicky dog.  Perhaps we humans are all doomed to have
>eating disorders to some degree or another, but it's truly pathetic to
>inflict our neuroses on our dogs.  I would never criticize a person's
>weight--but I have no qualms about calling a dog fat.  
>Scott (who could lose a few, but whose dogs are lean and mean. :-)

Although Pecos is a "lean, mean, fighting machine", my parents have two
female Goldens, 9 and 12 years old - grandmother and granddaughter, who are
both overweight.  I've tried to convince my parents to switch to low-fat, lo-
cal dog food, but my mom claims that it's just too expensive. I know, she's
not an exemplary dog owner :(  The 9 year old gets plenty of exercise, but
she's still fat.  The 12 year old has difficulty walking a lot, especially
since my parents house is on a steep hill (they live in Colorado).

Has anyone ever dealt with a situation like this?  If anyone has any advice
on ways to convince my parents to be more responsible dog owners, I'd be
grateful.  If I lived closer (I'm in Indiana), I'd just take care of the
dogs myself.  I really hate to see the dogs like that.  Especially since
it wasn't so long ago that they were absolutely beautiful.

Thanks in advance!

Patty and Pecos (and Brandy and Amaretto, the fat Goldens)

 
 
 

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Post by Laurie Ada » Sun, 05 Jun 1994 07:03:39


|> I was at a dog show recently and I was absolutely dismayed at how
|> many absolutely OBESE dogs there are in the breed ring.  I was
|> watching Bouvier des Flandres the most intensely but the Bearded
|> Collies and Australian Shepherds sharing the ring were just as
|> chunky.
|>
|> Is Fat in this year on the show circuit?  Dogs were positively
|> rolling and waddling when they were asked to gait around the ring
|> and I can't help but cringe at how hard this is on the dogs.
|>
|> So, what gives?  Why are people who should know better letting so
|> many dogs go to fat?
|>
|> Curious in Cincinnati,
|>
|> Gail
|>
|> and three very trim dogs -- Casey, Toby and Reuben
|>

|>
|>
|>
my dear,

Obviously you don't watch mastiffs and bulldogs very often! <g>

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Post by Scott Geor » Sun, 05 Jun 1994 03:24:25



Quote:
>I was at a dog show recently and I was absolutely dismayed at how
>many absolutely OBESE dogs there are in the breed ring.  I was
>watching Bouvier des Flandres the most intensely but the Bearded
>Collies and Australian Shepherds sharing the ring were just as
>chunky.

>Is Fat in this year on the show circuit?  Dogs were positively
>rolling and waddling when they were asked to gait around the ring
>and I can't help but cringe at how hard this is on the dogs.

>So, what gives?  Why are people who should know better letting so
>many dogs go to fat?

Curious that you should bring this up.  I've been thinking the same
thing  the past few weeks.  It's bad enough that dogs are fat in the
breed and obedience rings.  These people should know better.
But I've been really dismayed at the number of FAT dogs on the
flyball circuit--where there is positively NO good excuse for running
an overweight dog.  I saw some Aussies that plain couldn't make it
over four 16" hurdles--they literally crashed into some of the jumps.
I was truly digusted--and I consider this outright abuse.

To anyone tuning into this thread, you should be able to easily
feel your dog's ribs and see a waist--unless you have an extremely
hairy, cowlicky dog.  Perhaps we humans are all doomed to have
eating disorders to some degree or another, but it's truly pathetic to
inflict our neuroses on our dogs.  I would never criticize a person's
weight--but I have no qualms about calling a dog fat.  

Scott (who could lose a few, but whose dogs are lean and mean. :-)

 
 
 

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Post by Stephanie, Library Office, 61 » Tue, 07 Jun 1994 23:59:29



Quote:


>>Subject: Re: FAT, FAT, FAT dogs
>>Date: 3 Jun 1994 18:24:25 GMT

> [stuff deleted]

>>To anyone tuning into this thread, you should be able to easily
>>feel your dog's ribs and see a waist--unless you have an extremely
>>hairy, cowlicky dog.  Perhaps we humans are all doomed to have
>>eating disorders to some degree or another, but it's truly pathetic to
>>inflict our neuroses on our dogs.  I would never criticize a person's
>>weight--but I have no qualms about calling a dog fat.  

>>Scott (who could lose a few, but whose dogs are lean and mean. :-)

> Although Pecos is a "lean, mean, fighting machine", my parents have two
> female Goldens, 9 and 12 years old - grandmother and granddaughter, who are
> both overweight.  I've tried to convince my parents to switch to low-fat, lo-
> cal dog food, but my mom claims that it's just too expensive. I know, she's
> not an exemplary dog owner :(  The 9 year old gets plenty of exercise, but
> she's still fat.  The 12 year old has difficulty walking a lot, especially
> since my parents house is on a steep hill (they live in Colorado).

> Has anyone ever dealt with a situation like this?  If anyone has any advice
> on ways to convince my parents to be more responsible dog owners, I'd be
> grateful.  If I lived closer (I'm in Indiana), I'd just take care of the
> dogs myself.  I really hate to see the dogs like that.  Especially since
> it wasn't so long ago that they were absolutely beautiful.

> Thanks in advance!

> Patty and Pecos (and Brandy and Amaretto, the fat Goldens)

We had this situation with my mother's dog, a terrier cross, who was
grossly fat and fed all kinds of junk.  We lived in the same town at the
time, so saw him often, and tried to persuade/nag her that she was
doing him no favours.  He stayed with us a couple of times when she went
away for a week or two, and was fed dog food, walked regularly, and
improved noticeably, but went right back to her regimen when she returned,
even though she could see he was a different dog after he had stayed
with us.

This was a dog whose stool, due to his poor diet, was often *white*,
and the dog often constipated.   *NOTHING* we said made a difference.
He did not make old bones.

As a side note, my mother (now very old and I'm not about to nag her
any more) has a cat that is forced to drink milk exclusively, because
that is what cats drink, after all.  She is never offered water.

Stef

 
 
 

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Post by Virginia DeGior » Wed, 08 Jun 1994 20:01:41


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Quote:

> Although Pecos is a "lean, mean, fighting machine", my parents have two
> female Goldens, 9 and 12 years old - grandmother and granddaughter, who are
> both overweight.  I've tried to convince my parents to switch to low-fat, lo-
> cal dog food, but my mom claims that it's just too expensive. I know, she's
> not an exemplary dog owner :-

one of the things i have learned from my mother (and my vet) is that some  
people simply cannot afford the premium dog food - i don't know if this is the  
case with respect to your parents but it is with my mother who is retired and  
on a fixed income.  however there are some very decent low-cal store brands out  
there.  sam (mom's lab mix) is doing quite well on fit 'n trim (purina's store  
brand 'lite' dog food) and i believe that there are lots of similarly priced  
low cal foods priced for those without lots of disposable income.

now disposable income is also lots of times called 'discretionary' income - if  
your parents (or anyone) chosens to budget only some much $s for dog food -  
that's their right.  the only problems occur when the animals are being  
mistreated.  'forcing' a dog to eat non-premium food is not abuse.  it's just a  
choice made. (perhaps only x amount is budgeted for dog food so y amount can be  
spent on - well whatever - we all have choices to make with our limited  
paychecks.  my husband and i regularly eat less than prime cuts of meat so our  
guys can get premium dog food - just our choice.

there seems to be a general prejudice that if you can buy it in the grocery  
store and it's not a premium brand - the food isn't 'good' - hey, we all can't  
afford the best - the thing is to buy the best that we can afford.

***ia
(and blackhawk who still needs to put on weight, nicki who is 'ideal' and  
seawolf who is ACTIVE like the others but went from puppy food to 'lite' -  
genetics??)

 
 
 

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Post by Kyler Lai » Wed, 08 Jun 1994 21:37:59


Quote:

>one of the things i have learned from my mother (and my vet) is that some  
>people simply cannot afford the premium dog food

One of the things I learned from my AgEc classes is that some people
can't afford to feed low quality food.  For farmers, feeding such food
leads to poor weight gain (kind of a funny thought for this thread)
and health problems (for the animals, dummy).  For pet owners, such
feeding can lead to all sorts of poor health conditions.  Can a show
person afford to feed food which leaves a dog's coat dull?  Can a
person with little disposable income afford to feed food which results
in an expensive-to-treat problem?  (An overweight dog sounds like a
walking medical bomb to me.)

Note that I'm talking about "low quality" food.  This may not
necessarily be the same thing as "non-premium" food.

--kyler

 
 
 

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Post by Paula Wheel » Mon, 06 Jun 1994 14:59:00



 -=> Quoting G.e.brookhart to All <=-


 G.> Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
 G.> Subject: FAT, FAT, FAT dogs
 G.> Date: 3 Jun 1994 12:40:35 -0400

 G.> Organization: University of Cincinnati

 G.> I was at a dog show recently and I was absolutely dismayed at how
 G.> many absolutely OBESE dogs there are in the breed ring.  I was
 G.> watching Bouvier des Flandres the most intensely but the Bearded
 G.> Collies and Australian Shepherds sharing the ring were just as
 G.> chunky.
 G.>
 G.> Is Fat in this year on the show circuit?  Dogs were positively
 G.> rolling and waddling when they were asked to gait around the ring
 G.> and I can't help but cringe at how hard this is on the dogs.
 G.>
 G.> So, what gives?  Why are people who should know better letting so
 G.> many dogs go to fat?
 G.>
 G.> Curious in Cincinnati,
 G.>
 G.> Gail
 G.>
 G.> and three very trim dogs -- Casey, Toby and Reuben

I think it's the "bigger is better" syndrome at work!  I've
noticed it particularly in Bouv's and Rotties - people seem
to be confusing flab with muscle.  I think Laurie Adams was
rather prophetic in her message on the topic - we may just
see the dogs popped onto a scale and the beefiest get the
blue!  I run into people all the time who can't believe that
The Wookie is a Bouvier - she's just too active and lithe to
be the same breed as the oxen that one generally sees in this
neck of the woods bearing that name.  An acquaintance packs
the chow into her Staffordshire Bull Terriers "to help them
fill out" and the poor things are panting and gasping from
the strain of walking/waddling across the room.  Run?  I
doubt that it's possible.  She has to use A.I. as some of
her males can't raise themselves up to breed!  I hear folks
bragging about their dogs weight every day, in all mediums -
like it was some measure of quality! A woman on the Doghouse
echo in FIDO-net was boasting of her Aussie who weighs 120
lbs!  I can't even imagine it to tell the truth - I really
hope she was exaggerating!

I haven't really got a clue as to *why* people, especially dog
pros, are falling into this trap...  Maybe just a sign of the
rising paranoia index in this country - BIG dogs are TOUGH
dogs?  I dunno...  :{

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Post by Julie Webst » Tue, 14 Jun 1994 23:06:09



: >one of the things i have learned from my mother (and my vet) is that some  
: >people simply cannot afford the premium dog food

: One of the things I learned from my AgEc classes is that some people
: can't afford to feed low quality food.  For farmers, feeding such food
: leads to poor weight gain (kind of a funny thought for this thread)
: and health problems (for the animals, dummy).  For pet owners, such
: feeding can lead to all sorts of poor health conditions.  Can a show
: person afford to feed food which leaves a dog's coat dull?  Can a

Every now and then this claim surfaces that people can't afford to feed
premium food. Has anyone actually done a comparison? When I got my puppy,
the breeder recommended a premium food and I read in this group that they
don't cost more because you feed less. I have found this to be true. There
are 3 dogs in my immediate family. Two are fed premium and one is fed
whatever is on sale at the supermarket. The two on premium eat half as
much or less than the one on supermarket [quite a bit less comes out the
other end which may also explain why the 2 on premium always get picked
up after and the other doesn't]. At the local pet superstore I can buy a
40 pound bag of premium food for $22. So is it really more expensive?
--
                               Julie Webster
"Abolish Monday mornings and Friday afternoons."