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Noni Juice for Pets

Post by Gail » Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:47:11



Noni Juice is an amazing health product for humans & animals.  Vet's have
had good results from giving it to dogs for all sorts of health problems.
check it out www.noni.com/wayne
 
 
 

Noni Juice for Pets

Post by Gary » Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:00:26


Pure spam trash...

Quote:

> Yonibaloney Juice is an amazing money wasting product for humans & animals. Easily fooled people have
> been giving it to any sucker for every sort of health problem. It has even cured
> some of nail biting and farting in public. If you have money and want to throw it away
> check it out www.yonibaloney.com

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Noni Juice for Pets

Post by Sue and Att » Mon, 24 Dec 2001 00:41:59


Unfortunately, Gary, I don't agree with you.  Noni Juice was one of the
things that helped Jadee when she was in kidney failure.  Of course it did
not cure her.  She had an incurable disease.  I was not looking for a cure.
I was looking for something that would help how she felt.   (noting that
Gary is the one who changed Gail's email, not me).   Even though I am not in
favor of spamming and advertising on the newsgroups, I was impressed with
the product.

Sue and Atty


Quote:
> Pure spam trash...


> > Yonibaloney Juice is an amazing money wasting product for humans &

animals. Easily fooled people have
Quote:
> > been giving it to any sucker for every sort of health problem. It has
even cured

> > some of nail biting and farting in public. If you have money and want to
throw it away
> > check it out www.yonibaloney.com

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Post by Gary » Mon, 24 Dec 2001 00:55:34


I'm happy that Jadee is better and I'm not sure how you can determine
what actually worked...That said I find newsgroup spamming very
tacky...I see Yonibaloney advertised on TV for almost every
ill...Sorry,...but I just don't find this method of multi level
marketing OK...Now could I interest you in a future in Amway...Happy
Holidays...GG

Quote:

> Unfortunately, Gary, I don't agree with you.  Noni Juice was one of the
> things that helped Jadee when she was in kidney failure.  Of course it did
> not cure her.  She had an incurable disease.  I was not looking for a cure.
> I was looking for something that would help how she felt.   (noting that
> Gary is the one who changed Gail's email, not me).   Even though I am not in
> favor of spamming and advertising on the newsgroups, I was impressed with
> the product.

> Sue and Atty



>>Pure spam trash...


>>>Yonibaloney Juice is an amazing money wasting product for humans &

> animals. Easily fooled people have

>>>been giving it to any sucker for every sort of health problem. It has

> even cured

>>>some of nail biting and farting in public. If you have money and want to

> throw it away

>>>check it out www.yonibaloney.com

>>--
>>All files & e-mail scanned by NAV 2002...Version #8.00.58

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Noni Juice for Pets

Post by queenmothe » Mon, 24 Dec 2001 01:33:00


 It has even cured

Quote:
>> some of nail biting and farting in public.

Hey, now, I know some people who might be interested in giving this a try.
Or perhaps to give anonymously?

~~Judy
"The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most
precious and valuable possession of mankind." -- Theodorus Gaza

 
 
 

Noni Juice for Pets

Post by Sue and Att » Mon, 24 Dec 2001 02:08:04


Jadee died last Jan. 7 from kidney failure.  If you read my message, it said
that it did not cure her, it only made her feel better.  I can conclude that
it was the noni juice since she perked up when I started giving it to her.
Nothing else had changed.  Simple.  You will also see that in my post I
clearly state that I am not in favor of newsgroup spamming either.  Sorry,
not interested in Amway.

Happy Holidays.

Sue and Atty


Quote:
> I'm happy that Jadee is better and I'm not sure how you can determine
> what actually worked...That said I find newsgroup spamming very
> tacky...I see Yonibaloney advertised on TV for almost every
> ill...Sorry,...but I just don't find this method of multi level
> marketing OK...Now could I interest you in a future in Amway...Happy
> Holidays...GG


> > Unfortunately, Gary, I don't agree with you.  Noni Juice was one of the
> > things that helped Jadee when she was in kidney failure.  Of course it
did
> > not cure her.  She had an incurable disease.  I was not looking for a
cure.
> > I was looking for something that would help how she felt.   (noting that
> > Gary is the one who changed Gail's email, not me).   Even though I am
not in
> > favor of spamming and advertising on the newsgroups, I was impressed
with
> > the product.

> > Sue and Atty



> >>Pure spam trash...


> >>>Yonibaloney Juice is an amazing money wasting product for humans &

> > animals. Easily fooled people have

> >>>been giving it to any sucker for every sort of health problem. It has

> > even cured

> >>>some of nail biting and farting in public. If you have money and want
to

> > throw it away

> >>>check it out www.yonibaloney.com

> >>--
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Noni Juice for Pets

Post by Steve Cran » Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:31:39


Pure snake oil quackery from the get go.
 
 
 

Noni Juice for Pets

Post by MtnGrmet » Mon, 24 Dec 2001 16:04:15


Quote:
>Pure snake oil quackery from the get go.

I can't help but think you are basing your opinion with very little actual
knowledge about this product.  I have a friend that is a noni distributor who
does quite well, and I have read enough good reports on this to think that it
can be helpful to some.  I have read many positive testimonies as well where it
is helped people's pets.  So yes, advertising on this NG is a no no, but don't
assume it's a bad product because of the way it is marketed.  
Debbie
 
 
 

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Post by Steve Cran » Wed, 26 Dec 2001 02:20:42


Debbie,
    My objection isn't from the advertising aspect, it comes form being
tired of seeing millions of people getting bilked out of billions of dollars
for pure snake oil quackery. Your friend is doing well all right, at flim
flamming her customers out of the money they actually earned the hard way.
Morinda citronella does contain some anti cancer chemicals, a
polysaccharide-rich substance.  But the amount in the Noni Juice being sold
is nowhere near therapeutic, it is about as effective as looking at an
aspirin in the bottle when you have a headache, instead of taking it out of
the bottle and swallowing it.


Quote:
> >Pure snake oil quackery from the get go.

> I can't help but think you are basing your opinion with very little actual
> knowledge about this product.  I have a friend that is a noni distributor
who
> does quite well, and I have read enough good reports on this to think that
it
> can be helpful to some.  I have read many positive testimonies as well
where it
> is helped people's pets.  So yes, advertising on this NG is a no no, but
don't
> assume it's a bad product because of the way it is marketed.
> Debbie

 
 
 

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Post by MtnGrmet » Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:33:33


Steve, I'd be interested in seeing some proof to back up what you claim.  Feel
free to email me anything.
Debbie

Merry Christmas all!!!

 
 
 

Noni Juice for Pets

Post by Steve Cran » Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:21:56


Debbie,
    I'm not selling the stuff. Seems to me your friend should have all kinds
of peer reviewed published articles to support what they are selling. I've
asked the company themselves to send me documentation for claims, all I get
are testimonials which are utterly worthless. As you are certainly aware
proving a negative is a fools errand. Go ahead and prove that noni junk does
anything, not with testimonials of sudden cures for death, but with hard
published data that supports the amount of whatever in noni juice, is
sufficient to do have any therapeutic effect.


Quote:
> Steve, I'd be interested in seeing some proof to back up what you claim.
Feel
> free to email me anything.
> Debbie

> Merry Christmas all!!!

 
 
 

Noni Juice for Pets

Post by MtnGrmet » Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:26:12


Quote:
>Debbie,
>    I'm not selling the stuff. Seems to me your friend should have all kinds
>of peer reviewed published articles to support what they are selling.

Yes Steve, she does, I was just wondering what you had read to make you come to
the conclusion you did.  I, personally, have never tried it, but have been
tempted to.  We shouldn't forget that decades ago people laughed at
Chiropractors, Homeopathic doctors, and holistic approaches in general.  I'm
sure they lacked proof as well, but now are almost as common as traditional
medicine, and sometimes have helped where traditional medicine has failed.
Debbie
 
 
 

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Post by scott wees » Sat, 29 Dec 2001 03:51:03


If she does, indeed, have peer reviewed articles, I'd love to have the references.
I know next to nothing about Noni Juice and if you acn point me towards proper
research, I'd gladly look into it.

Scott Weese

Quote:

> >Debbie,
> >    I'm not selling the stuff. Seems to me your friend should have all kinds
> >of peer reviewed published articles to support what they are selling.

> Yes Steve, she does, I was just wondering what you had read to make you come to
> the conclusion you did.  I, personally, have never tried it, but have been
> tempted to.  We shouldn't forget that decades ago people laughed at
> Chiropractors, Homeopathic doctors, and holistic approaches in general.  I'm
> sure they lacked proof as well, but now are almost as common as traditional
> medicine, and sometimes have helped where traditional medicine has failed.
> Debbie

 
 
 

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Post by kass » Sun, 30 Dec 2001 03:54:00


Quote:

> Debbie,
>     I'm not selling the stuff. Seems to me your friend should have all kinds
> of peer reviewed published articles to support what they are selling. I've
> asked the company themselves to send me documentation for claims, all I get
> are testimonials which are utterly worthless. As you are certainly aware
> proving a negative is a fools errand. Go ahead and prove that noni junk does
> anything, not with testimonials of sudden cures for death, but with hard
> published data that supports the amount of whatever in noni juice, is
> sufficient to do have any therapeutic effect.

I know nothing about Noni juice (never heard of it before this thread,
but a two second websearch turned up these.  

1:  Liu G, Bode A, Ma WY, Sang S, Ho CT, Dong Z. Related Articles

Two novel glycosides from the fruits of Morinda citrifolia (noni)
inhibit AP-1 transactivation and cell transformation in the mouse
epidermal JB6 cell line.
Cancer Res. 2001 Aug 1;61(15):5749-56.
PMID: 11479211 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

The Hormel Institute, University of Minnesota, Austin, MN 55912, USA.

The fruit juice of Morinda citrifolia (noni), a plant originally grown
in the Hawaiian and Tahitian islands, has long been used by islanders
to treat diseases, including cancer. Two novel glycosides,
6-O-(beta-D-glucopyranosyl)-1-O-octanoyl-beta-D-glucopyranose and
asperulosidic acid, extracted from the juice of noni fruits, were used
to examine their effects on 12-O-tedtradecanoylphorbol-13-acetate
(TPA)- and epidermal growth factor (EGF)-induced AP-1 transactivation
and cell transformation in mouse epidermal JB6 cells. The results
indicated that both compounds were effective in suppressing TPA- or
EGF-induced cell transformation and associated AP-1 activity. TPA- or
EGF-induced phosphorylation of c-Jun, but not extracellular
signal-regulated kinases or p38 kinases, was also blocked by the
compounds, indicating that c-Jun N-terminal kinases were critical in
mediating TPA- or EGF-induced AP-1 activity and subsequent cell
transformation in JB6 cells.

2:  Mueller BA, Scott MK, Sowinski KM, Prag KA. Related Articles

Noni juice (Morinda citrifolia): hidden potential for hyperkalemia?
Am J Kidney Dis. 2000 Feb;35(2):310-2.
PMID: 10676732 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Department of Pharmacy Practice, Purdue University School of Pharmacy
and Pharmacal Sciences, Indianapolis, IN 46202-2879, USA.

We report the case of a man with chronic renal insufficiency who
self-medicated with an alternative medicine product known as noni
juice (Morinda citrifolia). The patient presented to the clinic with
hyperkalemia despite claiming adherence to a low-potassium diet. The
potassium concentration in noni juice samples was determined and found
to be 56.3 mEq/L, similar to that in orange juice and tomato juice.
Herbal remedies and alternative medicine products may be surreptitious
sources of potassium in patients with renal disease.

3:  Hirazumi A, Furusawa E. Related Articles

An immunomodulatory polysaccharide-rich substance from the fruit juice
of Morinda citrifolia (noni) with antitumour activity.
Phytother Res. 1999 Aug;13(5):380-7.
PMID: 10441776 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Department of Pharmacology, John A., Burns School of Medicine, 1960
East West Road, University of Hawaii, Honolulu, HI 96822, USA.

The fruit juice of Morinda citrifolia (noni) contains a
polysaccharide-rich substance (noni-ppt) with antitumour activity in
the Lewis lung (LLC) peritoneal carcinomatosis model. Therapeutic
administration of noni-ppt significantly enhanced the duration of
survival of inbred syngeneic LLC tumour bearing mice. It did not exert
significant cytotoxic effects in an adapted culture of LLC cells,
LLC1, but could activate peritoneal exudate cells (PEC) to impart
profound toxicity when co-cultured with the tumour cells. This
suggested the possibility that noni-ppt may suppress tumour growth
through activation of the host immune system. Concomitant treatment
with the immunosuppressive agent, 2-chloroadenosine (C1-Ade) or
cyclosporin (cys-A) diminished its activity, thereby substantiating an
immunomodulatory mechanism. Noni-ppt was also capable of stimulating
the release of several mediators from murine effector cells, including
tumour necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha), interleukin-1beta
(IL-1beta), IL-10, IL-12 p70, interferon-gamma (IFN-gamma) and nitric
oxide (NO), but had no effect on IL-2 and suppressed IL-4 release.
Improved survival time and curative effects occurred when noni-ppt was
combined with sub-optimal doses of the standard chemotherapeutic
agents, adriamycin (Adria), cisplatin (CDDP), 5-fluorouracil (5-FU),
and vincristine (VCR), suggesting important clinical applications of
noni-ppt as a supplemental agent in cancer treatment. Copyright 1999
John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.

PMID: 10441776 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

4:  Hirazumi A, Furusawa E, Chou SC, Hokama Y. Related Articles

Immunomodulation contributes to the anticancer activity of morinda
citrifolia (noni) fruit juice.
Proc West Pharmacol Soc. 1996;39:7-9. No abstract available.
PMID: 8895953 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

kassa

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Cran » Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:31:40


Both of these are either
a) anecdotal
    My father ate green peas as a child, he died of colon cancer when he was
37 years. Therefore green peas cause colon cancer. The first two facts are
true, but they don't make the third conclusion true. The anecdotal comments
about renal failure below is just that and entirely meaningless.

b) Illustrates that _within_ noni juice is a certain chemical which appears
to have some properties. That's a good place to start looking. But it in NO
way illustrates that the quantity of those chemicals (glycosides) contained
within the snake oil commercial product has ANY affect whatsoever. Neither
does it show that in vivo activity can be sustained or effective on any
human or animal.



Quote:
> > Debbie,
> >     I'm not selling the stuff. Seems to me your friend should have all
kinds
> > of peer reviewed published articles to support what they are selling.
I've
> > asked the company themselves to send me documentation for claims, all I
get
> > are testimonials which are utterly worthless. As you are certainly aware
> > proving a negative is a fools errand. Go ahead and prove that noni junk
does
> > anything, not with testimonials of sudden cures for death, but with hard
> > published data that supports the amount of whatever in noni juice, is
> > sufficient to do have any therapeutic effect.

> I know nothing about Noni juice (never heard of it before this thread,
> but a two second websearch turned up these.

> 1:  Liu G, Bode A, Ma WY, Sang S, Ho CT, Dong Z. Related Articles

> Two novel glycosides from the fruits of Morinda citrifolia (noni)
> inhibit AP-1 transactivation and cell transformation in the mouse
> epidermal JB6 cell line.
> Cancer Res. 2001 Aug 1;61(15):5749-56.
> PMID: 11479211 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> The Hormel Institute, University of Minnesota, Austin, MN 55912, USA.

> The fruit juice of Morinda citrifolia (noni), a plant originally grown
> in the Hawaiian and Tahitian islands, has long been used by islanders
> to treat diseases, including cancer. Two novel glycosides,
> 6-O-(beta-D-glucopyranosyl)-1-O-octanoyl-beta-D-glucopyranose and
> asperulosidic acid, extracted from the juice of noni fruits, were used
> to examine their effects on 12-O-tedtradecanoylphorbol-13-acetate
> (TPA)- and epidermal growth factor (EGF)-induced AP-1 transactivation
> and cell transformation in mouse epidermal JB6 cells. The results
> indicated that both compounds were effective in suppressing TPA- or
> EGF-induced cell transformation and associated AP-1 activity. TPA- or
> EGF-induced phosphorylation of c-Jun, but not extracellular
> signal-regulated kinases or p38 kinases, was also blocked by the
> compounds, indicating that c-Jun N-terminal kinases were critical in
> mediating TPA- or EGF-induced AP-1 activity and subsequent cell
> transformation in JB6 cells.

> 2:  Mueller BA, Scott MK, Sowinski KM, Prag KA. Related Articles

> Noni juice (Morinda citrifolia): hidden potential for hyperkalemia?
> Am J Kidney Dis. 2000 Feb;35(2):310-2.
> PMID: 10676732 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> Department of Pharmacy Practice, Purdue University School of Pharmacy
> and Pharmacal Sciences, Indianapolis, IN 46202-2879, USA.

> We report the case of a man with chronic renal insufficiency who
> self-medicated with an alternative medicine product known as noni
> juice (Morinda citrifolia). The patient presented to the clinic with
> hyperkalemia despite claiming adherence to a low-potassium diet. The
> potassium concentration in noni juice samples was determined and found
> to be 56.3 mEq/L, similar to that in orange juice and tomato juice.
> Herbal remedies and alternative medicine products may be surreptitious
> sources of potassium in patients with renal disease.

> 3:  Hirazumi A, Furusawa E. Related Articles

> An immunomodulatory polysaccharide-rich substance from the fruit juice
> of Morinda citrifolia (noni) with antitumour activity.
> Phytother Res. 1999 Aug;13(5):380-7.
> PMID: 10441776 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> Department of Pharmacology, John A., Burns School of Medicine, 1960
> East West Road, University of Hawaii, Honolulu, HI 96822, USA.

> The fruit juice of Morinda citrifolia (noni) contains a
> polysaccharide-rich substance (noni-ppt) with antitumour activity in
> the Lewis lung (LLC) peritoneal carcinomatosis model. Therapeutic
> administration of noni-ppt significantly enhanced the duration of
> survival of inbred syngeneic LLC tumour bearing mice. It did not exert
> significant cytotoxic effects in an adapted culture of LLC cells,
> LLC1, but could activate peritoneal exudate cells (PEC) to impart
> profound toxicity when co-cultured with the tumour cells. This
> suggested the possibility that noni-ppt may suppress tumour growth
> through activation of the host immune system. Concomitant treatment
> with the immunosuppressive agent, 2-chloroadenosine (C1-Ade) or
> cyclosporin (cys-A) diminished its activity, thereby substantiating an
> immunomodulatory mechanism. Noni-ppt was also capable of stimulating
> the release of several mediators from murine effector cells, including
> tumour necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha), interleukin-1beta
> (IL-1beta), IL-10, IL-12 p70, interferon-gamma (IFN-gamma) and nitric
> oxide (NO), but had no effect on IL-2 and suppressed IL-4 release.
> Improved survival time and curative effects occurred when noni-ppt was
> combined with sub-optimal doses of the standard chemotherapeutic
> agents, adriamycin (Adria), cisplatin (CDDP), 5-fluorouracil (5-FU),
> and vincristine (VCR), suggesting important clinical applications of
> noni-ppt as a supplemental agent in cancer treatment. Copyright 1999
> John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.

> PMID: 10441776 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> 4:  Hirazumi A, Furusawa E, Chou SC, Hokama Y. Related Articles

> Immunomodulation contributes to the anticancer activity of morinda
> citrifolia (noni) fruit juice.
> Proc West Pharmacol Soc. 1996;39:7-9. No abstract available.
> PMID: 8895953 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> kassa