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two behavior questions and two health questions

Post by De Ceuster Pete » Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:00:00



behavior:

-how can i learn my puppie dog without traumatizing him that he has to sleep
in his
 lovley basket (don't know how to write) in stead of sleeping there for some
houres,
 moving to the ground, asking me to get him in bed,...
-is there any REAL GOOD FREE dog training html on the internet? P L E A S E
!!!

health:

-sometimes, my dog has (don't know how you people write this) the 'hik', you
know, when you swallow some air, and when you have to hold your breath
it just happens, and it seems to be badley, but it gets away soon
-he cries often in his dreams, or barks
-how can i make him more comf. in the car?  he shakes a lot, he has a hard
time to sleep

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

Peter

 
 
 

two behavior questions and two health questions

Post by core » Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:00:00


c'mon Jerry.  Give it up.



Quote:
> behavior:

> -how can i learn my puppie dog without traumatizing him that he has to
sleep
> in his
>  lovley basket (don't know how to write) in stead of sleeping there for
some
> houres,
>  moving to the ground, asking me to get him in bed,...
> -is there any REAL GOOD FREE dog training html on the internet? P L E A S
E
> !!!

> health:

> -sometimes, my dog has (don't know how you people write this) the 'hik',
you
> know, when you swallow some air, and when you have to hold your breath
> it just happens, and it seems to be badley, but it gets away soon
> -he cries often in his dreams, or barks
> -how can i make him more comf. in the car?  he shakes a lot, he has a hard
> time to sleep

> THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

> Peter

 
 
 

two behavior questions and two health questions

Post by Jerry How » Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:00:00




Quote:
>c'mon Jerry.  Give it up.




Hello Corkey

Only an idiot and moron like you would think that was me.....Jerry.

 
 
 

two behavior questions and two health questions

Post by Bob » Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:00:00


One word...crate training..ooppss...that's two words...

Seriously, you don't need to teach your dog to sleep in a basket.  That
might be cute, but what about the dog?  Your dog needs to be comfortable
when sleeping.  A crate will provide that comfort and keep him out of
trouble.  The crate can also go in the car when you need to transport the
little guy.  It is a lot safer than having him roam around the car all
nervous and anxious.  What if your involved in an auto accident?  The dog
will be protected in the crate.  Do some research on this crate trraining.
It works wonders!

The hicups may be a sign of a gastro intestenal disorder.  Have your vet
check that out.  It might also be a result of diet or stress.  My dogs get
the hicups 1 or 2 times per year and they go away pretty quickly.  And they
also growl in their sleep when they are really tired.  I don't think that's
a problem, and it may go away if the pup sleeps in a crate.

B



Quote:
> behavior:

> -how can i learn my puppie dog without traumatizing him that he has to
sleep
> in his
>  lovley basket (don't know how to write) in stead of sleeping there for
some
> houres,
>  moving to the ground, asking me to get him in bed,...
> -is there any REAL GOOD FREE dog training html on the internet? P L E A S
E
> !!!

> health:

> -sometimes, my dog has (don't know how you people write this) the 'hik',
you
> know, when you swallow some air, and when you have to hold your breath
> it just happens, and it seems to be badley, but it gets away soon
> -he cries often in his dreams, or barks
> -how can i make him more comf. in the car?  he shakes a lot, he has a hard
> time to sleep

> THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

> Peter

 
 
 

two behavior questions and two health questions

Post by Jerry How » Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:00:00


Hiccups are NORMAL. CRATING ISN'T. Jerry.


Quote:
> One word...crate training..ooppss...that's two words...

> Seriously, you don't need to teach your dog to sleep in a basket.
That
> might be cute, but what about the dog?  Your dog needs to be
comfortable
> when sleeping.  A crate will provide that comfort and keep him out
of
> trouble.  The crate can also go in the car when you need to
transport the
> little guy.  It is a lot safer than having him roam around the car
all
> nervous and anxious.  What if your involved in an auto accident?
The dog
> will be protected in the crate.  Do some research on this crate
trraining.
> It works wonders!

> The hicups may be a sign of a gastro intestenal disorder.  Have
your vet
> check that out.  It might also be a result of diet or stress.  My
dogs get
> the hicups 1 or 2 times per year and they go away pretty quickly.
And they
> also growl in their sleep when they are really tired.  I don't
think that's
> a problem, and it may go away if the pup sleeps in a crate.

> B



> > behavior:

> > -how can i learn my puppie dog without traumatizing him that he
has to
> sleep
> > in his
> >  lovley basket (don't know how to write) in stead of sleeping
there for
> some
> > houres,
> >  moving to the ground, asking me to get him in bed,...
> > -is there any REAL GOOD FREE dog training html on the internet? P
L E A S
> E
> > !!!

> > health:

> > -sometimes, my dog has (don't know how you people write this) the
'hik',
> you
> > know, when you swallow some air, and when you have to hold your
breath
> > it just happens, and it seems to be badley, but it gets away soon
> > -he cries often in his dreams, or barks
> > -how can i make him more comf. in the car?  he shakes a lot, he
has a hard
> > time to sleep

> > THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

> > Peter

 
 
 

two behavior questions and two health questions

Post by Jerry How » Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
> c'mon Jerry.  Give it up.

Hello corey,

What's WRONG with you? I do not post anonymously.  You lack intellect
and self esteem. I suggest you stay away from any living beings that
require care and consideration. j;~}

You can get all the information you need to properly handle and train
your dog using non force, non confrontational, scientific and
psychological behavior modification and conditioning techniques,
from the Wits' End Dog Training Method manual available for free at
http://www.moonsgarden.com/

BEWARE the forgeries to confuse you and the warnings offered to you
from our rpdb Gang Of Thugs regarding killfiling my posts and the
Wits' End Dog Training Method manual. These people are frantic at the
thought
of not having anymore EXCUSE for being able to jerk and ***dogs on
pronged, choke, and electronic shock collars.

You cannot trust your dog's well being to people who tell you to
killfile my advice... and tell you to punish, confine, and confront
your dog's behavior problems. Our Gang Of Thugs are easily
identifiable
by their warnings about my posts, and their killfile instructions to
prevent me from EXPOSING THEM as the vicious, abusive, cretins
they are, AND WANT YOU TO BE, so they don't look out of sorts.

"Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and
judge things by reason's way, not by popular say." Montaigne

"*** is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin

"If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman.

DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS... j;~)

"CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw.

"I know that most men, including those at ease with problems
of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the
simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to
admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in
explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which
they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their
lives."
                                             Leo Tolstoy

Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more
complaints to my personal email than any other controversial
post I have made to date, bar none?:

                                            caveat
If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would
rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing them. If you
have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, ***
him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold,
hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are
appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the punisher,
or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can't train your
dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe.

Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Wits' End Dog Training

http://www.moonsgarden.com/
Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
                      -Francis Bacon-

There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem,
bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who
ever can't hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.
                     -Nietzsche-

The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned
qualities.

The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter.

The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split
seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless
hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.
                  -Jerry Howe-

 
 
 

two behavior questions and two health questions

Post by Bob » Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:00:00


May not be normal in your training, but that does not make it wrong.  And, I
might add, I don't have a 42 line disclaimer about everyone being against me
and my ideas.  Use my information if you chose, don't use it if you chose
not to...I don't give a rats %%%.

B


Quote:
> Hiccups are NORMAL. CRATING ISN'T. Jerry.



> > One word...crate training..ooppss...that's two words...

> > Seriously, you don't need to teach your dog to sleep in a basket.
> That
> > might be cute, but what about the dog?  Your dog needs to be
> comfortable
> > when sleeping.  A crate will provide that comfort and keep him out
> of
> > trouble.  The crate can also go in the car when you need to
> transport the
> > little guy.  It is a lot safer than having him roam around the car
> all
> > nervous and anxious.  What if your involved in an auto accident?
> The dog
> > will be protected in the crate.  Do some research on this crate
> trraining.
> > It works wonders!

> > The hicups may be a sign of a gastro intestenal disorder.  Have
> your vet
> > check that out.  It might also be a result of diet or stress.  My
> dogs get
> > the hicups 1 or 2 times per year and they go away pretty quickly.
> And they
> > also growl in their sleep when they are really tired.  I don't
> think that's
> > a problem, and it may go away if the pup sleeps in a crate.

> > B



> > > behavior:

> > > -how can i learn my puppie dog without traumatizing him that he
> has to
> > sleep
> > > in his
> > >  lovley basket (don't know how to write) in stead of sleeping
> there for
> > some
> > > houres,
> > >  moving to the ground, asking me to get him in bed,...
> > > -is there any REAL GOOD FREE dog training html on the internet? P
> L E A S
> > E
> > > !!!

> > > health:

> > > -sometimes, my dog has (don't know how you people write this) the
> 'hik',
> > you
> > > know, when you swallow some air, and when you have to hold your
> breath
> > > it just happens, and it seems to be badley, but it gets away soon
> > > -he cries often in his dreams, or barks
> > > -how can i make him more comf. in the car?  he shakes a lot, he
> has a hard
> > > time to sleep

> > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

> > > Peter

 
 
 

two behavior questions and two health questions

Post by Jerry How » Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
> May not be normal in your training, but that does not make it
wrong.  And, I
> might add, I don't have a 42 line disclaimer about everyone being
against me
> and my ideas.  Use my information if you chose, don't use it if you
chose
> not to...I don't give a rats %%%.

> B

Hello bob,

Crating dogs frequently causes anxiety that results in other,
seemingly non related behavior problems, such as hyperactivity,
obsessive chewing, barking, digging, pacing, whining,
self-***, and aggression. Any one of those can get a dog
thrown out of the home and KILLED.

I am not concerned with being condemned by a bunch of punks who twist
ears,  shock, jerk, and ***dogs on pronged ***collars, being
OFFENDED by my NON FORCE, NON CONFRONTATIONAL methods.

They are fighting to defend their worthless reputations and to
protect their miserable, vicious, lousy careers, jerking, ***,
and KILLING DOGS who will not submit to their AUTHORITY...

You can get all the information you need to properly handle and train
your dog
using non force, non confrontational, scientific and psychological
behavior
modification and conditioning techniques, from the Wits' End Dog
Training Method manual available for free at
http://www.moonsgarden.com/

BEWARE the forgeries to confuse you, and the warnings offered to you
from our
rpdb Gang Of Thugs regarding killfiling my posts and the Wits' End
Dog Training Method manual. These people are frantic at the thought
of not having anymore
EXCUSE for being able to jerk, choke, and hurt dogs on pronged,
choke, and electronic shock collars.

You cannot trust your dog's well being to people who tell you to
killfile my advice...
and tell you to punish, confine, and confront your dog's behavior
problems. Our
Gang Of Thugs are easily identifiable by their warnings about my
posts, and their
killfile instructions to prevent me from EXPOSING THEM as the
vicious, abusive,
cretins they are, AND WANT YOU TO BE, so they don't look out of
sorts.

"Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and
judge things by reason's way, not by popular say." Montaigne

"*** is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin

"If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman.

DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS... j;~)

"CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw.

"I know that most men, including those at ease with problems
of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the
simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to
admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in
explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which
they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their
lives."
                                             Leo Tolstoy

Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more
complaints to my personal email than any other controversial
post I have made to date, bar none?:

                                            caveat
If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would
rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing them. If you
have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, ***
him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold,
hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are
appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the punisher,
or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can't train your
dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe.

Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Wits' End Dog Training

http://www.moonsgarden.com/
Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
                      -Francis Bacon-

There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem,
bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who
ever can't hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.
                     -Nietzsche-

The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned
qualities.

The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter.

The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split
seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless
hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.
                  -Jerry Howe-

 
 
 

two behavior questions and two health questions

Post by Jerry How » Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:00:00




Quote:
> behavior:

> -how can i learn my puppie dog without traumatizing him that he has
to sleep
> in his
>  lovley basket (don't know how to write) in stead of sleeping there
for some
> houres,
>  moving to the ground, asking me to get him in bed,...
> -is there any REAL GOOD FREE dog training html on the internet? P L
E A S E
> !!!

> health:

> -sometimes, my dog has (don't know how you people write this) the
'hik', you
> know, when you swallow some air, and when you have to hold your
breath
> it just happens, and it seems to be badley, but it gets away soon
> -he cries often in his dreams, or barks
> -how can i make him more comf. in the car?  he shakes a lot, he has
a hard
> time to sleep

> THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

> Peter

Hello Peter,

You can get all the information you need to properly handle and train
your dog
using non force, non confrontational, scientific and psychological
behavior
modification and conditioning techniques, from the Wits' End Dog
Training Method manual available for free at
http://www.moonsgarden.com/

BEWARE the forgeries to confuse you, and the warnings offered to you
from our
rpdb Gang Of Thugs regarding killfiling my posts and the Wits' End
Dog Training Method manual. These people are frantic at the thought
of not having anymore
EXCUSE for being able to jerk, choke, and hurt dogs on pronged,
choke, and electronic shock collars.

You cannot trust your dog's well being to people who tell you to
killfile my advice...
and tell you to punish, confine, and confront your dog's behavior
problems. Our
Gang Of Thugs are easily identifiable by their warnings about my
posts, and their
killfile instructions to prevent me from EXPOSING THEM as the
vicious, abusive,
cretins they are, AND WANT YOU TO BE, so they don't look out of
sorts.

"Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and
judge things by reason's way, not by popular say." Montaigne

"*** is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin

"If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman.

DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS... j;~)

"CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw.

"I know that most men, including those at ease with problems
of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the
simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to
admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in
explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which
they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their
lives."
                                             Leo Tolstoy

Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more
complaints to my personal email than any other controversial
post I have made to date, bar none?:

                                            caveat
If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would
rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing them. If you
have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, ***
him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold,
hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are
appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the punisher,
or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can't train your
dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe.

Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Wits' End Dog Training

http://www.moonsgarden.com/
Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
                      -Francis Bacon-

There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem,
bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who
ever can't hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.
                     -Nietzsche-

The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned
qualities.

The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter.

The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split
seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless
hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.
                  -Jerry Howe-

 
 
 

two behavior questions and two health questions

Post by Bob » Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:00:00


Proper crate training does not cause these problems...leaving the dog in any
confined area, against it's will, for long periods of time...ie...putting
them in the crate to get them out of sight and out of mind...will cause
those problems...which, by the way, is not proper crate training.  Anyone
against crate training has no idea what he's talking about...and I am not
attcking you Jerry...your attacking yourself...watch your back, you might
hurt yourself.

B


Quote:


> > May not be normal in your training, but that does not make it
> wrong.  And, I
> > might add, I don't have a 42 line disclaimer about everyone being
> against me
> > and my ideas.  Use my information if you chose, don't use it if you
> chose
> > not to...I don't give a rats %%%.

> > B

> Hello bob,

> Crating dogs frequently causes anxiety that results in other,
> seemingly non related behavior problems, such as hyperactivity,
> obsessive chewing, barking, digging, pacing, whining,
> self-***, and aggression. Any one of those can get a dog
> thrown out of the home and KILLED.

> I am not concerned with being condemned by a bunch of punks who twist
> ears,  shock, jerk, and ***dogs on pronged ***collars, being
> OFFENDED by my NON FORCE, NON CONFRONTATIONAL methods.

> They are fighting to defend their worthless reputations and to
> protect their miserable, vicious, lousy careers, jerking, ***,
> and KILLING DOGS who will not submit to their AUTHORITY...

> You can get all the information you need to properly handle and train
> your dog
> using non force, non confrontational, scientific and psychological
> behavior
> modification and conditioning techniques, from the Wits' End Dog
> Training Method manual available for free at
> http://www.moonsgarden.com/

> BEWARE the forgeries to confuse you, and the warnings offered to you
> from our
> rpdb Gang Of Thugs regarding killfiling my posts and the Wits' End
> Dog Training Method manual. These people are frantic at the thought
> of not having anymore
> EXCUSE for being able to jerk, choke, and hurt dogs on pronged,
> choke, and electronic shock collars.

> You cannot trust your dog's well being to people who tell you to
> killfile my advice...
> and tell you to punish, confine, and confront your dog's behavior
> problems. Our
> Gang Of Thugs are easily identifiable by their warnings about my
> posts, and their
> killfile instructions to prevent me from EXPOSING THEM as the
> vicious, abusive,
> cretins they are, AND WANT YOU TO BE, so they don't look out of
> sorts.

> "Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and
> judge things by reason's way, not by popular say." Montaigne

> "*** is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin

> "If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman.

> DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS... j;~)

> "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw.

> "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems
> of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the
> simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to
> admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in
> explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which
> they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their
> lives."
>                                              Leo Tolstoy

> Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more
> complaints to my personal email than any other controversial
> post I have made to date, bar none?:

>                                             caveat
> If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would
> rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing them. If you
> have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, ***
> him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold,
> hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are
> appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the punisher,
> or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can't train your
> dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe.

> Sincerely,
> Jerry Howe,
> Wits' End Dog Training

> http://www.moonsgarden.com/
> Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
>                       -Francis Bacon-

> There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem,
> bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who
> ever can't hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.
>                      -Nietzsche-

> The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned
> qualities.

> The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
> centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
> develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter.

> The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split
> seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless
> hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.
>                   -Jerry Howe-

 
 
 

two behavior questions and two health questions

Post by Jerry How » Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

>Proper crate training does not cause these problems...leaving the dog in any
>confined area, against it's will, for long periods of time...ie...putting
>them in the crate to get them out of sight and out of mind...will cause
>those problems...which, by the way, is not proper crate training.  Anyone
>against crate training has no idea what he's talking about...and I am not
>attcking you Jerry...your attacking yourself...watch your back, you might
>hurt yourself.

>B





>> > May not be normal in your training, but that does not make it
>> wrong.  And, I
>> > might add, I don't have a 42 line disclaimer about everyone being
>> against me
>> > and my ideas.  Use my information if you chose, don't use it if you
>> chose
>> > not to...I don't give a rats %%%.

>> > B

>> Hello bob,

>> Crating dogs frequently causes anxiety that results in other,
>> seemingly non related behavior problems, such as hyperactivity,
>> obsessive chewing, barking, digging, pacing, whining,
>> self-***, and aggression. Any one of those can get a dog
>> thrown out of the home and KILLED.

>> I am not concerned with being condemned by a bunch of punks who twist
>> ears,  shock, jerk, and ***dogs on pronged ***collars, being
>> OFFENDED by my NON FORCE, NON CONFRONTATIONAL methods.

>> They are fighting to defend their worthless reputations and to
>> protect their miserable, vicious, lousy careers, jerking, ***,
>> and KILLING DOGS who will not submit to their AUTHORITY...

>> You can get all the information you need to properly handle and train
>> your dog
>> using non force, non confrontational, scientific and psychological
>> behavior
>> modification and conditioning techniques, from the Wits' End Dog
>> Training Method manual available for free at
>> http://www.moonsgarden.com/

>> BEWARE the forgeries to confuse you, and the warnings offered to you
>> from our
>> rpdb Gang Of Thugs regarding killfiling my posts and the Wits' End
>> Dog Training Method manual. These people are frantic at the thought
>> of not having anymore
>> EXCUSE for being able to jerk, choke, and hurt dogs on pronged,
>> choke, and electronic shock collars.

>> You cannot trust your dog's well being to people who tell you to
>> killfile my advice...
>> and tell you to punish, confine, and confront your dog's behavior
>> problems. Our
>> Gang Of Thugs are easily identifiable by their warnings about my
>> posts, and their
>> killfile instructions to prevent me from EXPOSING THEM as the
>> vicious, abusive,
>> cretins they are, AND WANT YOU TO BE, so they don't look out of
>> sorts.

>> "Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and
>> judge things by reason's way, not by popular say." Montaigne

>> "*** is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin

>> "If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman.

>> DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS... j;~)

>> "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw.

>> "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems
>> of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the
>> simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to
>> admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in
>> explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which
>> they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their
>> lives."
>>                                              Leo Tolstoy

>> Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more
>> complaints to my personal email than any other controversial
>> post I have made to date, bar none?:

>>                                             caveat
>> If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would
>> rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing them. If you
>> have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, ***
>> him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold,
>> hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are
>> appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the punisher,
>> or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can't train your
>> dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe.

>> Sincerely,
>> Jerry Howe,
>> Wits' End Dog Training

>> http://www.moonsgarden.com/
>> Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
>>                       -Francis Bacon-

>> There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem,
>> bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who
>> ever can't hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.
>>                      -Nietzsche-

>> The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned
>> qualities.

>> The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
>> centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
>> develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter.

>> The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split
>> seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless
>> hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.
>>                   -Jerry Howe-

Hello ***.

Well at least you have now proven you are an idiot and a moron with
your total lack of training knowledge...................Jerry;~}

 
 
 

two behavior questions and two health questions

Post by Bob » Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:00:00


Good come back...I think I'll pass that on to my 4 year old daughter...she
may be able to use it next year in kindergarten.

By the way...I never perported to be anything but an idiot.  But thank you
for noticing.

B


Quote:

> >Proper crate training does not cause these problems...leaving the dog in
any
> >confined area, against it's will, for long periods of time...ie...putting
> >them in the crate to get them out of sight and out of mind...will cause
> >those problems...which, by the way, is not proper crate training.  Anyone
> >against crate training has no idea what he's talking about...and I am not
> >attcking you Jerry...your attacking yourself...watch your back, you might
> >hurt yourself.

> >B





> >> > May not be normal in your training, but that does not make it
> >> wrong.  And, I
> >> > might add, I don't have a 42 line disclaimer about everyone being
> >> against me
> >> > and my ideas.  Use my information if you chose, don't use it if you
> >> chose
> >> > not to...I don't give a rats %%%.

> >> > B

> >> Hello bob,

> >> Crating dogs frequently causes anxiety that results in other,
> >> seemingly non related behavior problems, such as hyperactivity,
> >> obsessive chewing, barking, digging, pacing, whining,
> >> self-***, and aggression. Any one of those can get a dog
> >> thrown out of the home and KILLED.

> >> I am not concerned with being condemned by a bunch of punks who twist
> >> ears,  shock, jerk, and ***dogs on pronged ***collars, being
> >> OFFENDED by my NON FORCE, NON CONFRONTATIONAL methods.

> >> They are fighting to defend their worthless reputations and to
> >> protect their miserable, vicious, lousy careers, jerking, ***,
> >> and KILLING DOGS who will not submit to their AUTHORITY...

> >> You can get all the information you need to properly handle and train
> >> your dog
> >> using non force, non confrontational, scientific and psychological
> >> behavior
> >> modification and conditioning techniques, from the Wits' End Dog
> >> Training Method manual available for free at
> >> http://www.moonsgarden.com/

> >> BEWARE the forgeries to confuse you, and the warnings offered to you
> >> from our
> >> rpdb Gang Of Thugs regarding killfiling my posts and the Wits' End
> >> Dog Training Method manual. These people are frantic at the thought
> >> of not having anymore
> >> EXCUSE for being able to jerk, choke, and hurt dogs on pronged,
> >> choke, and electronic shock collars.

> >> You cannot trust your dog's well being to people who tell you to
> >> killfile my advice...
> >> and tell you to punish, confine, and confront your dog's behavior
> >> problems. Our
> >> Gang Of Thugs are easily identifiable by their warnings about my
> >> posts, and their
> >> killfile instructions to prevent me from EXPOSING THEM as the
> >> vicious, abusive,
> >> cretins they are, AND WANT YOU TO BE, so they don't look out of
> >> sorts.

> >> "Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and
> >> judge things by reason's way, not by popular say." Montaigne

> >> "*** is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin

> >> "If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman.

> >> DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS... j;~)

> >> "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw.

> >> "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems
> >> of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the
> >> simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to
> >> admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in
> >> explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which
> >> they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their
> >> lives."
> >>                                              Leo Tolstoy

> >> Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more
> >> complaints to my personal email than any other controversial
> >> post I have made to date, bar none?:

> >>                                             caveat
> >> If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would
> >> rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing them. If you
> >> have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, ***
> >> him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold,
> >> hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are
> >> appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the punisher,
> >> or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can't train your
> >> dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe.

> >> Sincerely,
> >> Jerry Howe,
> >> Wits' End Dog Training

> >> http://www.moonsgarden.com/
> >> Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
> >>                       -Francis Bacon-

> >> There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem,
> >> bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who
> >> ever can't hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.
> >>                      -Nietzsche-

> >> The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned
> >> qualities.

> >> The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
> >> centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
> >> develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter.

> >> The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split
> >> seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless
> >> hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.
> >>                   -Jerry Howe-

> Hello ***.

> Well at least you have now proven you are an idiot and a moron with
> your total lack of training knowledge...................Jerry;~}

 
 
 

two behavior questions and two health questions

Post by Jerry How » Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

>Good come back...I think I'll pass that on to my 4 year old daughter...she
>may be able to use it next year in kindergarten.

>By the way...I never perported to be anything but an idiot.  But thank you
>for noticing.

>B




>> >Proper crate training does not cause these problems...leaving the dog in
>any
>> >confined area, against it's will, for long periods of time...ie...putting
>> >them in the crate to get them out of sight and out of mind...will cause
>> >those problems...which, by the way, is not proper crate training.  Anyone
>> >against crate training has no idea what he's talking about...and I am not
>> >attcking you Jerry...your attacking yourself...watch your back, you might
>> >hurt yourself.

>> >B





>> >> > May not be normal in your training, but that does not make it
>> >> wrong.  And, I
>> >> > might add, I don't have a 42 line disclaimer about everyone being
>> >> against me
>> >> > and my ideas.  Use my information if you chose, don't use it if you
>> >> chose
>> >> > not to...I don't give a rats %%%.

>> >> > B

>> >> Hello bob,

>> >> Crating dogs frequently causes anxiety that results in other,
>> >> seemingly non related behavior problems, such as hyperactivity,
>> >> obsessive chewing, barking, digging, pacing, whining,
>> >> self-***, and aggression. Any one of those can get a dog
>> >> thrown out of the home and KILLED.

>> >> I am not concerned with being condemned by a bunch of punks who twist
>> >> ears,  shock, jerk, and ***dogs on pronged ***collars, being
>> >> OFFENDED by my NON FORCE, NON CONFRONTATIONAL methods.

>> >> They are fighting to defend their worthless reputations and to
>> >> protect their miserable, vicious, lousy careers, jerking, ***,
>> >> and KILLING DOGS who will not submit to their AUTHORITY...

>> >> You can get all the information you need to properly handle and train
>> >> your dog
>> >> using non force, non confrontational, scientific and psychological
>> >> behavior
>> >> modification and conditioning techniques, from the Wits' End Dog
>> >> Training Method manual available for free at
>> >> http://www.moonsgarden.com/

>> >> BEWARE the forgeries to confuse you, and the warnings offered to you
>> >> from our
>> >> rpdb Gang Of Thugs regarding killfiling my posts and the Wits' End
>> >> Dog Training Method manual. These people are frantic at the thought
>> >> of not having anymore
>> >> EXCUSE for being able to jerk, choke, and hurt dogs on pronged,
>> >> choke, and electronic shock collars.

>> >> You cannot trust your dog's well being to people who tell you to
>> >> killfile my advice...
>> >> and tell you to punish, confine, and confront your dog's behavior
>> >> problems. Our
>> >> Gang Of Thugs are easily identifiable by their warnings about my
>> >> posts, and their
>> >> killfile instructions to prevent me from EXPOSING THEM as the
>> >> vicious, abusive,
>> >> cretins they are, AND WANT YOU TO BE, so they don't look out of
>> >> sorts.

>> >> "Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and
>> >> judge things by reason's way, not by popular say." Montaigne

>> >> "*** is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin

>> >> "If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman.

>> >> DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS... j;~)

>> >> "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw.

>> >> "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems
>> >> of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the
>> >> simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to
>> >> admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in
>> >> explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which
>> >> they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their
>> >> lives."
>> >>                                              Leo Tolstoy

>> >> Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more
>> >> complaints to my personal email than any other controversial
>> >> post I have made to date, bar none?:

>> >>                                             caveat
>> >> If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would
>> >> rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing them. If you
>> >> have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, ***
>> >> him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold,
>> >> hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are
>> >> appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the punisher,
>> >> or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can't train your
>> >> dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe.

>> >> Sincerely,
>> >> Jerry Howe,
>> >> Wits' End Dog Training

>> >> http://www.moonsgarden.com/
>> >> Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
>> >>                       -Francis Bacon-

>> >> There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem,
>> >> bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who
>> >> ever can't hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.
>> >>                      -Nietzsche-

>> >> The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned
>> >> qualities.

>> >> The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
>> >> centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
>> >> develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter.

>> >> The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split
>> >> seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless
>> >> hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.
>> >>                   -Jerry Howe-

>> Hello ***.

>> Well at least you have now proven you are an idiot and a moron with
>> your total lack of training knowledge...................Jerry;~}

Hello ***

You're welcome......Jerry. J;~}

 
 
 

two behavior questions and two health questions

Post by Bob » Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:00:00


Damn Jerry...your killing me...I was having a bad day but you certianly
brightened it up...thank you.

B


Quote:

> >Good come back...I think I'll pass that on to my 4 year old
daughter...she
> >may be able to use it next year in kindergarten.

> >By the way...I never perported to be anything but an idiot.  But thank
you
> >for noticing.

> >B




> >> >Proper crate training does not cause these problems...leaving the dog
in
> >any
> >> >confined area, against it's will, for long periods of
time...ie...putting
> >> >them in the crate to get them out of sight and out of mind...will
cause
> >> >those problems...which, by the way, is not proper crate training.
Anyone
> >> >against crate training has no idea what he's talking about...and I am
not
> >> >attcking you Jerry...your attacking yourself...watch your back, you
might
> >> >hurt yourself.

> >> >B





> >> >> > May not be normal in your training, but that does not make it
> >> >> wrong.  And, I
> >> >> > might add, I don't have a 42 line disclaimer about everyone being
> >> >> against me
> >> >> > and my ideas.  Use my information if you chose, don't use it if
you
> >> >> chose
> >> >> > not to...I don't give a rats %%%.

> >> >> > B

> >> >> Hello bob,

> >> >> Crating dogs frequently causes anxiety that results in other,
> >> >> seemingly non related behavior problems, such as hyperactivity,
> >> >> obsessive chewing, barking, digging, pacing, whining,
> >> >> self-***, and aggression. Any one of those can get a dog
> >> >> thrown out of the home and KILLED.

> >> >> I am not concerned with being condemned by a bunch of punks who
twist
> >> >> ears,  shock, jerk, and ***dogs on pronged ***collars, being
> >> >> OFFENDED by my NON FORCE, NON CONFRONTATIONAL methods.

> >> >> They are fighting to defend their worthless reputations and to
> >> >> protect their miserable, vicious, lousy careers, jerking, ***,
> >> >> and KILLING DOGS who will not submit to their AUTHORITY...

> >> >> You can get all the information you need to properly handle and
train
> >> >> your dog
> >> >> using non force, non confrontational, scientific and psychological
> >> >> behavior
> >> >> modification and conditioning techniques, from the Wits' End Dog
> >> >> Training Method manual available for free at
> >> >> http://www.moonsgarden.com/

> >> >> BEWARE the forgeries to confuse you, and the warnings offered to you
> >> >> from our
> >> >> rpdb Gang Of Thugs regarding killfiling my posts and the Wits' End
> >> >> Dog Training Method manual. These people are frantic at the thought
> >> >> of not having anymore
> >> >> EXCUSE for being able to jerk, choke, and hurt dogs on pronged,
> >> >> choke, and electronic shock collars.

> >> >> You cannot trust your dog's well being to people who tell you to
> >> >> killfile my advice...
> >> >> and tell you to punish, confine, and confront your dog's behavior
> >> >> problems. Our
> >> >> Gang Of Thugs are easily identifiable by their warnings about my
> >> >> posts, and their
> >> >> killfile instructions to prevent me from EXPOSING THEM as the
> >> >> vicious, abusive,
> >> >> cretins they are, AND WANT YOU TO BE, so they don't look out of
> >> >> sorts.

> >> >> "Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and
> >> >> judge things by reason's way, not by popular say." Montaigne

> >> >> "*** is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin

> >> >> "If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman.

> >> >> DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS... j;~)

> >> >> "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw.

> >> >> "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems
> >> >> of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the
> >> >> simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to
> >> >> admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in
> >> >> explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which
> >> >> they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their
> >> >> lives."
> >> >>                                              Leo Tolstoy

> >> >> Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more
> >> >> complaints to my personal email than any other controversial
> >> >> post I have made to date, bar none?:

> >> >>                                             caveat
> >> >> If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would
> >> >> rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing them. If you
> >> >> have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, ***
> >> >> him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold,
> >> >> hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are
> >> >> appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the punisher,
> >> >> or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can't train your
> >> >> dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe.

> >> >> Sincerely,
> >> >> Jerry Howe,
> >> >> Wits' End Dog Training

> >> >> http://www.moonsgarden.com/
> >> >> Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
> >> >>                       -Francis Bacon-

> >> >> There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem,
> >> >> bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who
> >> >> ever can't hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.
> >> >>                      -Nietzsche-

> >> >> The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned
> >> >> qualities.

> >> >> The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
> >> >> centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
> >> >> develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter.

> >> >> The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split
> >> >> seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless
> >> >> hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.
> >> >>                   -Jerry Howe-

> >> Hello ***.

> >> Well at least you have now proven you are an idiot and a moron with
> >> your total lack of training knowledge...................Jerry;~}

> Hello ***

> You're welcome......Jerry. J;~}

 
 
 

two behavior questions and two health questions

Post by Bob » Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:00:00


Your welcome Peter...I hope you don't take my word for it, but do some
research on the crate training.  Most reputable trainers will offer a lot of
advice on this.

B



Quote:
> thank you very much Bob

>      --

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