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Help: Dead puppy

Post by C. van Dee e/o I.P. van Dee-Grootenboe » Mon, 02 Jun 1997 04:00:00



Hello,

Recently, we found our 12 weeks old male dashound with severe damage to the
skull and brains, it died within 10 minites. We have another dog witch is a
german sheppard ***. There was no fight, and no bitemarks on the puppy.
During the two weeks we had this new puppy they got along fine.

We don't know what happened that night ?

It is known that sometimes on rare occasions dogs kill their own puppys.
Can anyone tell me how do they do that ?

I know this sounds morbid, but were desperately trying to find out what
could have happened.

 
 
 

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Post by Kieron Dodd » Mon, 02 Jun 1997 04:00:00


I gather you didn't have an autopsy done.  Duh.
--
Kieron Dodds

 C. van Dee e/o I.P. van Dee-Grootenboer wrote in article <01bc6e69$1a0fdd40

Quote:
>Hello,

>Recently, we found our 12 weeks old male dashound with severe damage to
the
>skull and brains, it died within 10 minites. We have another dog witch is
a
>german sheppard ***. There was no fight, and no bitemarks on the puppy.
>During the two weeks we had this new puppy they got along fine.

>We don't know what happened that night ?

>It is known that sometimes on rare occasions dogs kill their own puppys.
>Can anyone tell me how do they do that ?

>I know this sounds morbid, but were desperately trying to find out what
>could have happened.

 
 
 

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Post by CCCPU » Tue, 03 Jun 1997 04:00:00


Do you have any children?  It is not uncommon for a child to drop a new
puppy or a small dog and not admit to it out of fright.  Also, did anyone
inadvertently shut the pup's head in a door?  Sounds stupid, I know, but
it does happen.  

However, my best guess would be a pressure bite from the older dog to the
puppy's head.  

I cannot believe that your veterinarian would be entirely clueless on this
matter....

C***te Creeley

 
 
 

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Post by DogStar7 » Tue, 03 Jun 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>I gather you didn't have an autopsy done.  Duh.<

I know that I had a  vet that could not diagnose the sudden death of our
German Shepherd, and wanted $100.00 for an autopsy.  We elected to remain
ignorant, couldn't afford the extra money.  Be nice!
 
 
 

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Post by scri.. » Tue, 03 Jun 1997 04:00:00


For this insensitive post so typical of you, Kieron, welcome to my killfile.
To the family who lost their dog, I'm really sorry about your loss. It
sounds like an accident that could've happened during rough play. C***te
Creeley also raised some reasonable possibilities. - Michelle


Quote:

>I gather you didn't have an autopsy done.  Duh.
>--
>Kieron Dodds

> C. van Dee e/o I.P. van Dee-Grootenboer wrote in article <01bc6e69$1a0fdd40

>>Hello,

>>Recently, we found our 12 weeks old male dashound with severe damage to
>the
>>skull and brains, it died within 10 minites. We have another dog witch is
>a
>>german sheppard ***. There was no fight, and no bitemarks on the puppy.
>>During the two weeks we had this new puppy they got along fine.

>>We don't know what happened that night ?

>>It is known that sometimes on rare occasions dogs kill their own puppys.
>>Can anyone tell me how do they do that ?

>>I know this sounds morbid, but were desperately trying to find out what
>>could have happened.

 
 
 

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Post by Kieron Dodd » Tue, 03 Jun 1997 04:00:00


Well, thank you very much Misheel, I feel honored.
--
Kieron Dodds


Quote:
>For this insensitive post so typical of you, Kieron, welcome to my
killfile.
>To the family who lost their dog, I'm really sorry about your loss. It
>sounds like an accident that could've happened during rough play.
C***te
>Creeley also raised some reasonable possibilities. - Michelle


>>I gather you didn't have an autopsy done.  Duh.
>>--
>>Kieron Dodds

>> C. van Dee e/o I.P. van Dee-Grootenboer wrote in article <01bc6e69$1a0fdd
40

>>>Hello,

>>>Recently, we found our 12 weeks old male dashound with severe damage to
>>the
>>>skull and brains, it died within 10 minites. We have another dog witch
is
>>a
>>>german sheppard ***. There was no fight, and no bitemarks on the
puppy.
>>>During the two weeks we had this new puppy they got along fine.

>>>We don't know what happened that night ?

>>>It is known that sometimes on rare occasions dogs kill their own
puppys.
>>>Can anyone tell me how do they do that ?

>>>I know this sounds morbid, but were desperately trying to find out what
>>>could have happened.

 
 
 

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Post by Kieron Dodd » Tue, 03 Jun 1997 04:00:00


Sudden Death?  Do you keep multiple dogs?  I'ld beg, borrow, but probably
not steal, just to find out if my other dogs (or I, myself, even) were in
danger.  $100 is not all that much money, especially considering what good
GSDs go for.  I try to be nice, but in a multi-dog household, or a
household with children in it, how could you NOT request an autopsy.  What
if indications were different?  What if it were Lyme disease?  What then?
What is it's Parvo or Distemper?  What if the other dog isn't up on it's
vaccines?  There is absolutely NO reason why an autopsy should not have
been done.  Heck, they could have even, if money were that tight, turned it
into the local SPCA and said that they found the dog a few days ago and
were now worried for their dog and/or children and would there be anything
the SPCA could do.
--
Kieron Dodds


...

Quote:

>>I gather you didn't have an autopsy done.  Duh.<

>I know that I had a  vet that could not diagnose the sudden death of our
>German Shepherd, and wanted $100.00 for an autopsy.  We elected to remain
>ignorant, couldn't afford the extra money.  Be nice!

 
 
 

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Post by DogStar7 » Wed, 04 Jun 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>Sudden Death?  Do you keep multiple dogs?  I'ld beg, borrow, but probably
>not steal, just to find out if my other dogs (or I, myself, even) were in
>danger.  $100 is not all that much money, especially considering what
good
>GSDs go for.  I try to be nice, but in a multi-dog household, or a
>household with children in it, how could you NOT request an autopsy.

In my case, no, we only had the one dog at the time, and she was going on
11 years. Plus our vet (who I now consider rather an idiot) said he didn't
think it was necessary, but if we wanted to know, he would do an autopsy.
In the case of this person, it sounds like it was an obvious head injury,
which I don't think would be caused by disease.  Instead of saying "Duh",
you could have answered them like you just answered me.   People come here
asking for advice, and I think they should get polite advice, even if it
may seem ignorant to you.
 
 
 

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Post by Susan Mudgett aka little gat » Wed, 04 Jun 1997 04:00:00


: In my case, no, we only had the one dog at the time, and she was going on
: 11 years. Plus our vet (who I now consider rather an idiot) said he didn't
: think it was necessary, but if we wanted to know, he would do an autopsy.

This is not meant to say you should have had one done, but when I did
I was very glad I had. My 16 year old cat Kimmy died suddenly last
year. He'd had a checkup and ***work the prvious month showing
nothing deadly.  Cats tend to give each other deadly contagious
diseases more than dogs do, and I was worried he'd found something
poisonous in the house, or that He'd had some symptoms I hadn't
noticed.

They charged $US75 for a partial necropsy. That means all they did was
open him and look, no tissue analysis. It showed Kimmy had died of
hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, a heart disease which is noncontagious,
undetectable by most veterinary diagnostic methods, and incurable. The
other cats were safe, I had not missed anything, and if we'd known he
had this condition it wouldnt have helped him. Often the very first
visible symptom of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy is sudden death.

My husband was startled that I insisted on the test, but he agreed
later it was worth it to know what we found out. He had just figured
that old cats die and you don't always know the reason.

 
 
 

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Post by Charlene Vicke » Thu, 05 Jun 1997 04:00:00


Just to add on to this long thread, but the person who wrote
the original post lives in the Netherlands. Please, people,
don't assume that just because an autopsy can be done in
your country, and the cost is relatively low, that this is
the case in the Netherlands. I don't know about veterinary
costs in Europe or whether autopsies are regularly done; do
you?

--
Charlene Vickers, Yellowknife, NWT

"Be gone! Before someone drops a house on you!"