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Thank you all for your understanding and hospitality

Post by The Puppy Wizar » Sat, 03 Aug 2002 01:20:57





Quote:



> > > > Don't "oh nonsense" me.  Its condescending,
> And Beth is perfectly right in stating that her opinion is as valid as
> anyone else's.  Unless Mary can quote statistics which prove that ACDs
> with docked tails are more difficult to place than those with undocked
> tails, then she is just expressing an opinion that Beth is free to
> disagree with.  Resorting to condescension is often the tactic of
> people with a weak argument.

> Further, I agree that the large numbers of ACDs available for adoption
> is not that surprising for the reason that ACDs, like many of the
> other working dogs, are more difficult to make into pets than many
> other breeds.  This is just another illustration of the need to
> educate the public in how to select a pet dog.

> When I took my dog through basic obedience, there was a woman in the
> class with a BC puppy.  This was an older woman, at least in her 60's
> with no obvious talent for dog training to begin with.  She seemed
> incapable of modulating her tone of voice appropriately for giving the
> puppy praise, or correction.  She also was physically handicapped and
> needed a cane for assistance.  Meanwhile, she had what is possibly the
> smartest breed of dog, an energetic 3 month old puppy to boot, who was
> very clearly in charge.  The prospects for a long and happy
> association seemed minute.  I'm sure this happens all too frequently.
> S.

Happens only because the training methods are inappropriate for all animals.


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> > > >I ENJOYED reading your book, and
> > > >AGREED with what you had to say.
> > > >I find it sick to hear what people do
> > > >with their dogs.
> > > Keep in mind that everything he says that the regular posters of this
> > > ng do to their dogs are lies.  All of it.  Every last bit.
> > All of it? Ear pinching? Shock collars? Spiked chokers?
> > The regulars lie more in their denials than Howe does in his accusing of
> > them.
> Uh, Frank?  Who do you see denying anything?
> Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself would see denials when
> everyone has Jerry killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts, let
> alone respond to them.

Tell us about Binaca bethf's advanced temperament and
behavior modification using the Binaca Eye Spray Technique???

Here's the Three Amigos in action:


Quote:
> You know what is frustrating?

Lemme guess? Gettin sprayed in the eyes with Binaca Peppermint Breath Spray?

Quote:
> folks come here with dog behavior problems -

And Thugs like you mislead them and tell them to hurt and kill their dogs.

Quote:
> dogs behaving inappropriately towards other dogs, or humans, in a way
> that might be dangerous for other dogs or other people.

That's HOWE COME we train  them. Ever heard of training Binaca bethf?

Quote:
> These people are in the situation because they refused to accept that the
> dog may actually have a problem

The dog is near perfect. The OP needs to know HOWE to train his dog
do respond HOWE he'd like. You can't tell him HOWE to modify her
behavior. That's EZ. Any of my students could fix that fast.

Quote:
> or that they might actually have to tell the dog that that behavior is

unacceptable

Well, that might actually make the dog moore aggressive, Binaca bethf.

Quote:
> in the first place.

That's HOWE COME you have to kill some dogs.

Quote:
> Is like those parents in the supermarket whose kids are running rampant,

Let's try to keep on topic.

Quote:
> pulling ***off of shelves,

Brief variable distraction followed instantly by prolonged non physical
praise.

Quote:
> or at school the kid is beating up other kids

They learn that at home from being punished.

Quote:
> and the mother is either ignoring the problem or else
> saying that "oh, its just kids stuff".

Shove it. We're talking dog training. You don't have methods to train dogs
not to eat the garbage or steal food off counters or eat poo or dig holes
or jump fences or stay off of furniture or break separation anxiety or
fear of thunder or anything else unless you can ***shock or spray
or avoid it.

Quote:
> So the dog parent realized they might be getting into trouble -the problem
> escalates a bit, and they realize that they might have let things go to

far,

No problem. Training takes only a few minutes.

Quote:
> but they STILL dont' accept that the dog needs correction.

Right. Hurting dogs isn't training.

Quote:
> So, Norman, WTF do you think "motherly protectiveness" is?

It's doin what she's doing, she's not hurting the troublemaker.

Quote:
> Isn't someone being mothering and protective automatically think they
> are being *** over others?

I dunno what other's think. You spray Binaca in your dog's eyes cause
his whining wasn't enough to set off his shock collar.

Quote:
> Isn't your mom the boss of you?

Talk dogs if you can Binaca bethf. What gives you the idea you need
to jerk and ***dogs and spray aversives in their faces and get out
calling that training? You're a dog abusing Thug.

Quote:
> What happens when your motherly and protective dog meets a dog
> who decides its the mother?

What happens if he just trains his dog to do as he'd prefer?

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> I DO understand your hesitance to use a shock collar,

You don't understand anything about training dogs HOWEver.

Quote:
> however you yourself have said you have no possible way to correct your

dog

That's HOWE COME he's not a trainer. You're a trainer Binaca bethf. Tell us
HOWE you'd train this dog Binaca bethf.

Quote:
> or call her back from a distance.

He said she's got an excellent recall. The problem is she's often out of
sight
playing with the pack. He needs to train his dog so she doesn't NEED
to be supervised and called back to be trustworthy. Any good trainer should
be able to train this dog EZ.

Quote:
> I suspect your behaviorist responded to your unwillingness to consider

options

Options, Binaca bethf? Like spraying Binaca in her eyes? That's an option
you
chose.

Quote:
> (i.e going to GET your dog when she behaves badly,

Dogs don't behave badly, Binaca bethf. Dogs behave like dogs.

Quote:
> or possibly supervising her better)

That's the problem Binaca bethf. The problem is he wants to train his dog
so she don't NEED to be supervised, Binaca bethf.

Quote:
> with the only long distance option you can think of.

You mean the shock collar. What does distance have to do with this,
Binaca bethf? Distance has absolutely nothing to do with training unless
you need to be close enough to spray your Binaca in the dog's eyes
for his BAD behaviors.

Quote:
> I didn't read what jerry had to say about your situation,

I told him if he'd study my manual a couple days ago, he'd have
trained the dog before he got to see the fake behaviorist.

Quote:
> but I suspect if you liked his alternatives best

My methods are the fastest and most effective in the world. And
we don't hurt dogs and lie about it like you do.

Quote:
> then I am sure they aren't in any way addressing the problem,

That's probably right, Binaca bethf. My methods aren't dependent
on seeing the behavior or the specific problem. My method relies
on PERFECT behavior at all times without fear, force, confrontation,
restriction, avoidance or punishment and the dogs work on their own
cause they WANT to do everything we ask cause we never tell them
NO or punish or scold or lock them in boxes for their BAD behavior
Binaca bethf.

Quote:
> because you are clearly not willing to do so.

Because hurting his dog is unnecessary and might get someone hurt and
get her DEAD.

Quote:
> --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop

Now get the heel outta here. j;~)


Quote:
> Whoops, sorry for the blank post - DOH

It wasn't as funny as this post but the content was better in the
blank post... better than waltzin us by our willies someMOORE.

Quote:
> In any case, I wasn't specifically addressing your statements,

Well, Duh-Oh! So what's nu?

Quote:
> really,

REALLY???

You never do. You've usually got the same problems the
posters write in with and you give em the same advice that
got you there.

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> I just have a whole bunch of friends

SHAZZAAAAM!

Quote:
> who get way too hung up with winning

DAMN!!! You got me twice in a row, believing you. I thought
you was saying you had lots of friends cause you BULL$#!T them
like you're doin right here right now... BINACA bethf.

Quote:
> and forget that its supposed to be fun.

Dogs are built for FUN. Dogs LOVE being HAPPY!!! And I make dogs
very very very HAPPY!!! cause that's my job. Basically I'm a *** mean
spirited old crow who hates dogs and doesn't even touch them so to be really
really really CRUEL, I figger out HOWE to get them to do everything we
ask and THEN - make them do stuff.

Quote:
> Samoyeds aren't exactly Mighty,

Size don't count Binaca bethf. Brains counts. Size is relative and
irrelevant. I handle a giant breed dog EXACTLY as a toy breed.
They're both equally delicate. The amount of force on a Chi's throat
when he hits the end of a chain is going to feel the same to him as it
would feel do a Dane doin the same exercise. Just cause YOU don't
experience any discomfort with the Chi, you can disregard the dog
and ignore it or force it.

Like  diddler did to her sick dog for three nites with the barking and
whining. Same treatment you'd have given except she didn't have any
BINACA.

You wouldn't get away with handling the ...

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Post by The Puppy Wizar » Sat, 03 Aug 2002 07:51:48



Quote:





> > > How about she just says whatever it was that got him to jump at her ?
> > maybe she, like me, has no idea?  honestly, i haven't a clue what makes
> > him say the things about me that he says.  i can guarantee you though,
> > without even reading them, that they're big, fat lies.
> He posted the forced fetch stuff - that was true.
> The posts about Matt - I dont believe that stuff.

I freakin quoted matty, Patch.

Quote:
> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make the
> > > dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we
> > > want to do.
> > And neither does anyone else, Jerome.  No matter
> > what Jerry Howe states.
> > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual.  I feel very sorry
> > for her and her family.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt,  please provide a quote
> > (an original quote, not from one of Jerry  Howe's heavily edited
> > diatribes) that shows a regular poster promoting
> > or using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

Is that true, Marilyn?

Of course not~ but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the
dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his
ears and climb all over it like a***d ape growling into
his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a
pronged spiked pinch ***collar or pop him in the
snout with the heel of your palm.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either
They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog.
Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch:
You Must Keep The Pressure Up" sindy "don't let the dog
SCREAM" mooreon, author of our FAQ'S pages at K9 WEB.

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And
 Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few
 Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
 "Courteous Canine."

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as
possible. What  does this mean?

When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."

  --Mike Dufort
    author of the zero selling book
    "Courteous Canines"

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?
Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?


  "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
  something you twisted out of context, because you
  are full of bizarro manure."

Quote:
> There are some issues which you and I disagree strongly on,
> however, it doesnt stop me communicating with you

That's too bad, cause your tolerance towards our lying dog
abusing Thugs legitimizes them...

Quote:
> and sometimes even agreeing with you <gasp !!>

Agree when you agree and call a spade a spade when it's RIGHT.

Quote:
> Some of the sparring we have done has actually been fun ;-)

Yeah? Ask Fritz. Ask Peach. Ask Sampson. Ask Raggdoll. Ask Usul.
Ask "my golden retriever bit the UPS guy." Ask "interested in hearing."

Quote:
> > > It pulled up 245 just in rpdb which is a lot more than your 95.
> > > Different googles perhaps ?!
> > did you do an advanced search with Jerry's email address in the author
> > field?  if so, i don't know why you got different results than i did.
if
> > you just put his name in the first search box, then you're going to get
a
> > bunch of posts that aren't actually from Jerry.
> I did do the advanced search, yes, and only on one addy, not any of the
> morphs, so I dont know why they came up different either. I could copy and
> paste the results if you want to check !!

Seems everybody's accusing me of lying cause I post quote of them lying...

Quote:
> > > Hardly the way to behave toward someone who *could* be bothered to
> > > listen to her side......

Having discussions with liars and dog abusers only legitimizes them, Patch.

Quote:
> > i disagree.  why can't you take Christy's (or mine or anyone else's)
word
> > that Jerry is lying about them?

Because Jerry's not lying about nobody.

Quote:
> >  it would seem simpler.

Of course. That's HOWE COME the conspriacy to repress every
non *** trainer since day one of this forum.

Quote:
> > afterall, Christy is the expert on whether or not others are lying about

her.

Lemme see... That conjurs up images of a fox dressed in kakhi
carrying a rifle guarding a chicken coop.

Quote:
> She may well be but her spiteful and *** attitude [from the get go]
> doesnt exactly get me to lean toward believing her.

Do attitudes effect the truth, Patch?

Quote:
> Patch

Can you tell the difference between an outright lie and an exaggeration?
There ain't nun. You're rubbin elbows with liars and dog abusers and
all you're doin is legitimizing these Thugs who hate all non ***
trainers
and will do and say anything to defend their alleged right to hurt and kill
dogs to train them.

It'd be real EZ to get them to stop tellin folks here to ***shock crate
and kill their dogs if honest decent people was inclined to bear these bums
a while and tell new posters what's goin down here... till there's moore
decent people posting than our Gang Of Thugs. Then the Tugs will go
away cause they can only exist amongst their own kind, Patch.

Quote:
> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make the
> > > dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we
> > > want to do.
> > And neither does anyone else, Jerome.  No matter
> > what Jerry Howe states.
> > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual.  I feel very sorry
> > for her and her family.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt,  please provide a quote
> > (an original quote, not from one of Jerry  Howe's heavily edited
> > diatribes) that shows a regular poster promoting
> > or using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

Is that true, Marilyn?

Of course not~ but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the
dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his
ears and climb all over it like a***d ape growling into
his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a
pronged spiked pinch ***collar or pop him in the
snout with the heel of your palm.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either
They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog.
Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch:
You Must Keep The Pressure Up" sindy "don't let the dog
SCREAM" mooreon, author of our FAQ'S pages at K9 WEB.

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And
 Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few
 Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
 "Courteous Canine."

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as
possible. What  does this mean?

When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."

  --Mike Dufort
    author of the zero selling book
    "Courteous Canines"

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?
Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?


  "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
  something you twisted out of context, because you
  are full of bizarro manure."


Quote:
> >Di,
> I don't believe you mentioned a particular kind of training. If you
> are interested in training retrieval behavior than do consider
> our own Amy Dahl's:
> The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a Well-Mannered, Obedient and
> Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a Day
> by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl

You failed to mention your pals the dahls are proven liars and dog
abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"

 "I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not Believe There
 Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything
 But Destructive," "I don't see why anyone would want to ***or
 beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get a good working dog by
 making them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl
 who continues:

Quote:
> just $17.95 at Amazon.com.
> (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few regulars here who
> are either ill-tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.)
> --Marshall

amy lying frosty dahl continues:

 "On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained
 require much more frequent and heavy application of
 pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

 This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the
 job is not done until it is overcome

 Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it
 yourself. Tougher,  less tractable dogs may require you to progress to
 striking them more sharply

 Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar,  even the
 buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in

 but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the
 ear pinch

 You can press
...

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Post by The Puppy Wizar » Sat, 03 Aug 2002 07:51:48



Quote:





> > > How about she just says whatever it was that got him to jump at her ?
> > maybe she, like me, has no idea?  honestly, i haven't a clue what makes
> > him say the things about me that he says.  i can guarantee you though,
> > without even reading them, that they're big, fat lies.
> He posted the forced fetch stuff - that was true.
> The posts about Matt - I dont believe that stuff.

I freakin quoted matty, Patch.

Quote:
> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make the
> > > dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we
> > > want to do.
> > And neither does anyone else, Jerome.  No matter
> > what Jerry Howe states.
> > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual.  I feel very sorry
> > for her and her family.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt,  please provide a quote
> > (an original quote, not from one of Jerry  Howe's heavily edited
> > diatribes) that shows a regular poster promoting
> > or using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

Is that true, Marilyn?

Of course not~ but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the
dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his
ears and climb all over it like a***d ape growling into
his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a
pronged spiked pinch ***collar or pop him in the
snout with the heel of your palm.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either
They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog.
Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch:
You Must Keep The Pressure Up" sindy "don't let the dog
SCREAM" mooreon, author of our FAQ'S pages at K9 WEB.

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And
 Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few
 Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
 "Courteous Canine."

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as
possible. What  does this mean?

When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."

  --Mike Dufort
    author of the zero selling book
    "Courteous Canines"

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?
Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?


  "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
  something you twisted out of context, because you
  are full of bizarro manure."

Quote:
> There are some issues which you and I disagree strongly on,
> however, it doesnt stop me communicating with you

That's too bad, cause your tolerance towards our lying dog
abusing Thugs legitimizes them...

Quote:
> and sometimes even agreeing with you <gasp !!>

Agree when you agree and call a spade a spade when it's RIGHT.

Quote:
> Some of the sparring we have done has actually been fun ;-)

Yeah? Ask Fritz. Ask Peach. Ask Sampson. Ask Raggdoll. Ask Usul.
Ask "my golden retriever bit the UPS guy." Ask "interested in hearing."

Quote:
> > > It pulled up 245 just in rpdb which is a lot more than your 95.
> > > Different googles perhaps ?!
> > did you do an advanced search with Jerry's email address in the author
> > field?  if so, i don't know why you got different results than i did.
if
> > you just put his name in the first search box, then you're going to get
a
> > bunch of posts that aren't actually from Jerry.
> I did do the advanced search, yes, and only on one addy, not any of the
> morphs, so I dont know why they came up different either. I could copy and
> paste the results if you want to check !!

Seems everybody's accusing me of lying cause I post quote of them lying...

Quote:
> > > Hardly the way to behave toward someone who *could* be bothered to
> > > listen to her side......

Having discussions with liars and dog abusers only legitimizes them, Patch.

Quote:
> > i disagree.  why can't you take Christy's (or mine or anyone else's)
word
> > that Jerry is lying about them?

Because Jerry's not lying about nobody.

Quote:
> >  it would seem simpler.

Of course. That's HOWE COME the conspriacy to repress every
non *** trainer since day one of this forum.

Quote:
> > afterall, Christy is the expert on whether or not others are lying about

her.

Lemme see... That conjurs up images of a fox dressed in kakhi
carrying a rifle guarding a chicken coop.

Quote:
> She may well be but her spiteful and *** attitude [from the get go]
> doesnt exactly get me to lean toward believing her.

Do attitudes effect the truth, Patch?

Quote:
> Patch

Can you tell the difference between an outright lie and an exaggeration?
There ain't nun. You're rubbin elbows with liars and dog abusers and
all you're doin is legitimizing these Thugs who hate all non ***
trainers
and will do and say anything to defend their alleged right to hurt and kill
dogs to train them.

It'd be real EZ to get them to stop tellin folks here to ***shock crate
and kill their dogs if honest decent people was inclined to bear these bums
a while and tell new posters what's goin down here... till there's moore
decent people posting than our Gang Of Thugs. Then the Tugs will go
away cause they can only exist amongst their own kind, Patch.

Quote:
> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make the
> > > dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we
> > > want to do.
> > And neither does anyone else, Jerome.  No matter
> > what Jerry Howe states.
> > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual.  I feel very sorry
> > for her and her family.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt,  please provide a quote
> > (an original quote, not from one of Jerry  Howe's heavily edited
> > diatribes) that shows a regular poster promoting
> > or using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

Is that true, Marilyn?

Of course not~ but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the
dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his
ears and climb all over it like a***d ape growling into
his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a
pronged spiked pinch ***collar or pop him in the
snout with the heel of your palm.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either
They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog.
Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch:
You Must Keep The Pressure Up" sindy "don't let the dog
SCREAM" mooreon, author of our FAQ'S pages at K9 WEB.

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And
 Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few
 Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
 "Courteous Canine."

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as
possible. What  does this mean?

When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."

  --Mike Dufort
    author of the zero selling book
    "Courteous Canines"

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?
Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?


  "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
  something you twisted out of context, because you
  are full of bizarro manure."


Quote:
> >Di,
> I don't believe you mentioned a particular kind of training. If you
> are interested in training retrieval behavior than do consider
> our own Amy Dahl's:
> The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a Well-Mannered, Obedient and
> Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a Day
> by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl

You failed to mention your pals the dahls are proven liars and dog
abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"

 "I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not Believe There
 Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything
 But Destructive," "I don't see why anyone would want to ***or
 beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get a good working dog by
 making them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl
 who continues:

Quote:
> just $17.95 at Amazon.com.
> (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few regulars here who
> are either ill-tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.)
> --Marshall

amy lying frosty dahl continues:

 "On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained
 require much more frequent and heavy application of
 pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

 This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the
 job is not done until it is overcome

 Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it
 yourself. Tougher,  less tractable dogs may require you to progress to
 striking them more sharply

 Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar,  even the
 buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in

 but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the
 ear pinch

 You can press
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