Moon's Graden

by **BarbnBea** » Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:12:48

I have in my opinion the cutest little pal named Beau.
A gift from a customer he is 8 months old now, (he was a single pup from 8
lbs parents) 13 lbs now a miniature poodle/ neutered/ apricot-blonde with
cinnamon ears and big warm brown eyes. I was hoping he might finish at about
10 lbs but it's too late to send him back... he has my heart now!
We live in a two storey Apt building so it is imperative we are both quiet
and well behaved. Beau and I started training each other (together) right at
eight weeks. Potty training, bathing, grooming and behavior ( ok Obedience)
We were pretty lucky, when I went to work friends downstairs babysat him and
the potty training and behavior training continued just as I would do. Beau
was doing great then we had to make some changes as my friends moved away
and Beau along with our cat Buttons were going to have to spend more time
alone!:(
Luckily I work for the local pharmacy and deliver medication to long term
care patients all over our county, and work 3-9pm so am home the rest of the
day. When our friends announced they were moving I started leaving Beau
alone for short periods of time and gradually upping the length of time to 3
hours or so. Wow I must have done something right, I would go to work, pop
home pick him up, he would ride with me for a couple of hours then back home
and I would return an hour and a half later. He was doing so well training
on and off lead and paying attention to hand commands too....up until three
weeks ago!!
Now this wonderful ***ager is exhibiting separation anxiety.... ugh. Lets
see, he has eaten buttons off one of my coats, and a pair of boots. He has
chewed his harness and the clip off his lead, destroyed a pair of my socks,
tore up newspaper, gift wrap and shredded some cardboard boxes .... yikes
must be the water or he is possessed?( just kidding)
That is when I joined this newsgroup... and have read every post, all in
hopes of finding someone with more knowledge and experience than me. I
wanted to nip this behavior in the bud as they say.
I found some very bright dog training professionals, many of whom had
differing opinions and methods of training.... ALL OF WHOM PLACE LITTLE OR
NO VALUE ON EACH OTHER'S SKILL AND OR OPINION....ALL SEEM TO HAVE FORGOTTEN
THE LESSONS AND SOCIAL SKILLS, WE ALL LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN!!
It is very sad ....( and this is where I make it to file 13...Delete..or
some other bin..this never happens if you remain quiet:))
Yep, one of these very clever, but not always pleasant to others is "The
Puppy Wizard" Jerry Howe...
I went to his site, read and reread Wits End Dog Training Manual more than a
few times. Having confidence in what I have already accomplished with Beau I
decide to try something a little different. I opened myself up to change
and tried Mr. Howe's training method.... WELL LIKE IT OR NOT..... HIS
METHODS WORK! for me.
If I have to throw down a set of keys for noise in conjunction with a
command ( it's all I had in my hand at the time) and my dog jumps to
complete the requested task.... immediately, and completely tuned into
me.... Now that got my attention!

I assume most in here are ***s, Please excuse the childish behavior and
look past it all, read everything of value and decide for yourself . Listen
to what many of these talented people have to say... try some of their
approaches and use what works best for you and your dog!! No one has to
take poop ... ok ***from anyone else.
Wow I finally said it ...
Good Luck, and Happy Training All,
Barb

by **Jane** » Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:35:54

ALL OF WHOM PLACE LITTLE OR
NO VALUE ON EACH OTHER'S SKILL AND OR OPINION....ALL SEEM TO HAVE
FORGOTTEN
THE LESSONS AND SOCIAL SKILLS, WE ALL LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN!!

Welcome Barb!

Unfortunately, you're off the mark here. Many of us here have friendly
disagreements. We vary in our methods, our breeds, our activities. We
may good naturedly (and sometimes not) give each other a hard time
about something. Some folks flit in and disappear quickly as well,
some of us are long timers and consider others our friends, even if we
don't always agree.

Your "wonder trainer" is the exception. Quite bluntly, he's whacko.
His ideas are not his own (well, spiking a dog's and causing diarrhea
hopefully is!), and he really is someone in need of professional help.
There is nothing professional or even congenial about him in any way.
Every once in awhile, he seems to find an ummmmm "follower" to post his
glorys. Lovely - glad whatever works, works for you. Don't think it's
unique, don't think he deserves to be out of anyone's killfiles. He's
there for a reason. The rest of us? Agree to disagree, have heated
discussions, and act like normal people.

If you "opened yourself up" to PW methods, perhaps you can open
yourself up to sanity and good conversation as well.

by **BarbnBea** » Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:45:09

Hello Janet,

Thank you for the welcome.
It may well be that "I am off the mark" and I certainly appreciate there are
is always room for friendly, good natured disagreements. As a matter of fact
you are welcome to completely disagree with me at anytime...I generally just
appreciate politeness and don't find it necessary to be rude and crude to
make a point.
I don't have a trainer..or "wonder trainer" and you are quite correct PW has
acted like a jerk in some of his rude and crude postings as well. I don't
know the man and have not communicated with him. Many of us from time to
time have acted inappropriately or as a total jerk... doesn't always mean we
are one. He may not even have written the manual, but somebody did .... and
call me foolish but without yelling, reprimand or a negative approach on my
part, my little guy has turned some not so great behavior around. I am so
pleased with the changes I could have a parade... well maybe just cake and
balloons:):) It would be my pleasure to be open and look forward to
sanity, and good conversation anywhere, anytime! After re reading my post
.. it appears I tarred everyone with the same brush and that was not my
intention as only a few came across in a demeaning manner. Thanks for
helping me see that.
Cheers,
Barb

Quote:

> ALL OF WHOM PLACE LITTLE OR
> NO VALUE ON EACH OTHER'S SKILL AND OR OPINION....ALL SEEM TO HAVE
> FORGOTTEN
> THE LESSONS AND SOCIAL SKILLS, WE ALL LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN!!

> Welcome Barb!

> Unfortunately, you're off the mark here. Many of us here have friendly
> disagreements. We vary in our methods, our breeds, our activities. We
> may good naturedly (and sometimes not) give each other a hard time
> about something. Some folks flit in and disappear quickly as well,
> some of us are long timers and consider others our friends, even if we
> don't always agree.

> Your "wonder trainer" is the exception. Quite bluntly, he's whacko.
> His ideas are not his own (well, spiking a dog's and causing diarrhea
> hopefully is!), and he really is someone in need of professional help.
> There is nothing professional or even congenial about him in any way.
> Every once in awhile, he seems to find an ummmmm "follower" to post his
> glorys. Lovely - glad whatever works, works for you. Don't think it's
> unique, don't think he deserves to be out of anyone's killfiles. He's
> there for a reason. The rest of us? Agree to disagree, have heated
> discussions, and act like normal people.

> If you "opened yourself up" to PW methods, perhaps you can open
> yourself up to sanity and good conversation as well.

by **Unsurrealit** » Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:50:57

Would you support a store that sells a great item at an incredible
price but treats the customers like total shit? Or would you go to a
different place with the same item, costs a bit more, but treats the
customers as valued people?

Quote:

> Hello Janet,

> Thank you for the welcome.
> It may well be that "I am off the mark" and I certainly appreciate
there are
> is always room for friendly, good natured disagreements. As a matter
of fact
> you are welcome to completely disagree with me at anytime...I
generally just
> appreciate politeness and don't find it necessary to be rude and
crude to
> make a point.
> I don't have a trainer..or "wonder trainer" and you are quite correct
PW has
> acted like a jerk in some of his rude and crude postings as well. I
don't
> know the man and have not communicated with him. Many of us from time
to
> time have acted inappropriately or as a total jerk... doesn't always
mean we
> are one. He may not even have written the manual, but somebody did
.... and
> call me foolish but without yelling, reprimand or a negative approach
on my
> part, my little guy has turned some not so great behavior around. I
am so
> pleased with the changes I could have a parade... well maybe just
cake and
> balloons:):) It would be my pleasure to be open and look forward to
> sanity, and good conversation anywhere, anytime! After re reading my
post
> .. it appears I tarred everyone with the same brush and that was not
my
> intention as only a few came across in a demeaning manner. Thanks for
> helping me see that.
> Cheers,
> Barb

> > ALL OF WHOM PLACE LITTLE OR
> > NO VALUE ON EACH OTHER'S SKILL AND OR OPINION....ALL SEEM TO HAVE
> > FORGOTTEN
> > THE LESSONS AND SOCIAL SKILLS, WE ALL LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN!!

> > Welcome Barb!

> > Unfortunately, you're off the mark here. Many of us here have
friendly
> > disagreements. We vary in our methods, our breeds, our activities.
We
> > may good naturedly (and sometimes not) give each other a hard time
> > about something. Some folks flit in and disappear quickly as well,
> > some of us are long timers and consider others our friends, even if
we
> > don't always agree.

> > Your "wonder trainer" is the exception. Quite bluntly, he's
whacko.
> > His ideas are not his own (well, spiking a dog's and causing
diarrhea
> > hopefully is!), and he really is someone in need of professional
help.
> > There is nothing professional or even congenial about him in any
way.
> > Every once in awhile, he seems to find an ummmmm "follower" to post
his
> > glorys. Lovely - glad whatever works, works for you. Don't think
it's
> > unique, don't think he deserves to be out of anyone's killfiles.
He's
> > there for a reason. The rest of us? Agree to disagree, have
heated
> > discussions, and act like normal people.

> > If you "opened yourself up" to PW methods, perhaps you can open
> > yourself up to sanity and good conversation as well.

by **ba..** » Sun, 23 Jan 2005 02:46:39

HOWEDY janet,

Quote:

>Date: 20 Jan 2005 15:35:54 -0800
>Subject: Re: New to this Group..Heaven Help me Now!
> >ALL OF WHOM PLACE LITTLE OR NO VALUE ON EACH OTHER'S SKILL

janet and her pals shock ***bribe crate intimidate
and *** dogs and LIE abHOWET it:

Quote:

> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss

Quote:

> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

Quote:

> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had apointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.

Jerking *** and shockin and lockin dogs
in boxes and ignoring their cries makes their
dogs go "EWWWW" but they don't NOTICE
EXXXCEPT to spray BINACA in their eyes
and jerk and ***them on pronged spiked
pinch ***collars and shock and spray MOORE
aversives in their faces.

Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL cause
the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's been sprayed
in the face and the dog won't know HOWE COME
IT was MACED?

Quote:

> > My dogs are not human children wearing
> > fur- they are DOGS.

They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL
LYING DOG ABUSERS HURT and ***.

Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST

Quote:

> And Sally responded:
> >Who said that? I would never do or recommend
> >that, and neither would most of the regulars on here.
> >Sally Hennessey
> I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed to do so.
> Take it out of context and you'd think I was flinging puppies
> across the room!
> here's what I said (keep in mind that we're talking about a
> 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
> A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> very persistant.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?

I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very
persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the
loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight
shake to the *skin*".

Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."

Aggression, Opposition And Allelomimetic Behavior -
Teaching RESPECT For Your HIGHER INTELLIGENCE -
"BAD DOG ALWAYS WORKS!!!"

Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:

"Mine will go "bonkers" if he has been exercise deprived."

Subject: Re: new puppy bitting/chewing hands
Date: 1999/07/05

writes:
:

Quote:

> I would assume that all puppies like to bite and
> chew on just about anything. How do you train a
> young puppy NOT to chew on hands and feet? Although
> there is a time and place for saying 'no' and giving
> the dog a scruff shake I do no know if this is
> appropriate at this age.

At this point, "No" does not have any behavi***
function. But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy
by its neck and shake it a bit, and the frequency
of the biting decreases then you will have achieved
too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has
decreased; and two, you have established "No"
as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted biting.

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before
mild forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's
mouth closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad
Dog" came before stronger punishement (the
kind discussed above).

My dog is about 1.5 years old. "No" is usually
sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog" to
stop a behavior.

"Bad Dog" ALWAYS works.

then, of course, quickly say "Good Dog" when
he is appropriately behaving.

In providing verbal punishment and reinforcement
as in using nonverbal punishement and reinforcement,
timing is very important.

Use these consquences to control behavior much
as in the game where a child is told "your getting
hot" or "your getting cold." If the delay between the
behavior and the consquence is too long then the
behavior will not appropriately change.
--Marshall

Subject: Re: Update on Puppy Biting
Date: 1999/06/14

writes: :

Quote:

> My previous thread seems to have deteriorated
> off topic, but I would still like some input on
> biting and aggressive behavior. To recount I
> have a Chow/Lab mix who is now 9 weeks old.
> The biggest problem I had with him is biting.
:
> This could have been when petting him, walking
> by, or when playing. This seems to be his way of
> playing or getting attention, but it can drive me
> nuts.
> To stop this I've distracted with chew toys,

Distraction can be a BIG mistake! Why? Because if
your manipulation of the chew toy is reinforcing then
you are inadvertently reinforcing your dog for biting
if you follow his biting with activating the chew toy.

The standard way to curtail biting is to either "yelp
loudly," "clamp the dog's mouth shut with your hand,"
or "pick him up by the scruff of his neck" and say
"no" whenever he bites.

All of these are punishment procedures and
to work they must be put into place promptly,
within say .5 sec, after the bite.

Isolating the dog after a bite is another form
of punishment called time-out (from reinforcement
but it is hard to rapidly implement--within .5
sec of a bite.

If one of these procedures does not work, that is,
your dog behaves as if it were a game, then you
are not using an effective punisher/procedure.

Quote:

> I said NO, and failing that put him in my room
> alone for a few min. When in there he barks
> and whines, but afterwards behaves much better.

> After about a week of this the biting has decreased
> remarkably, but hasn't stopped outright. Still does
> it when he gets into hyper Puppy Jihad mode.

Well, be patient.

You can, of course, use differential reinforcement
of other behavior to eliminate biting. If there is a
situation in which your dog often bites. then create
the situation and if your dog goes without biting for
1 sec. offer a reinforcer (click and treat if you use
a clicker).

Then gradually increase the time that your dog
must go without biting for the reinforcer to be
delivered. Eventually, your dog will not bite and
the other behaviors that you have been reinforcing
will be more frequent.

Another factor to consider is whether your dog
is getting sufficient exercise.

Mine will go "bonkers" if he has been exercise
deprived.

Best wishes,
Marshall

Quote:

> AND OR OPINION....

Your OPINIONS HURT INTIMDIATE and *** DOGS.

Quote:

>ALL SEEM TO HAVE FORGOTTEN THE LESSONS AND SOCIAL SKILLS,

You think HURTING INTIMIDATING and ***ING dogs is POLITE?:

captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A
ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog
The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And
Give A Popping Sound To The Dog."

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
professora gingold.

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will
Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe.
This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times
It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author: "Courteous Canine."

"I have heard advice stating that you should
pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work
as efficiently as possible. What does this mean?

When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first
time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth
and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with
this but just ignore him and continue your normal
behavior." --Mike Dufort author of the zero selling
book "Courteous Canines"

"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."

lying frosty dahl sez she doesn't twist:

"None of my posts, prior to or subsequent to
Jerry Howe's attacks, encourage anyone to
twist ears, beat dogs, confront, intimidate,
frighten, or any of the ***he constantly
attributes to me," lying frosty dahl.

lying frosty dahl says:

"To me, training a dog without using intimidation,
confrontation, or punishment is, indeed, everything. I
certainly reject "force" as Marilyn defines it. And "fear"
can be included under the category of intimidation.

Not a one of these is constructive in the training
of a dog; all are bad for the dog/handler relationship,
the dog's confidence, the dog's ultimate potential, etc.

But I do make use of tools and methods which I believe to
cause physical discomfort, including electric collars, pinch
collars, chain collars, switches, and the ear pinch.

I just don't equate the reaction with the tool/method--I look
at the dog to know its reaction. I think that is what some
people don't do: they are so full of surmises about what
causes what, that they never bother to regard the dog as
the authority.

I don't beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the
benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses
not to read the article (SHE'D REALLY LIKE IT IF
YOU DON'T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of
"twisting ears (INDEED, SHE PINCHES THEM WITH
SPIKES).

I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO
BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM).

I would never advise anyone to slap a dog
(SHE'S A PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER,
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Quote:

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice

Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWING everything.

I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self *** - paw***ing, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals,
especially animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there is no
treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavi***Medicine

The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

I have studied canine behavior and dog training
for years. I have a huge library that covers
every system of training.

The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End
Training Method is by far the most scientific,
the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest
and the most effective training method yet
discovered.

It is not an assortment of training tips and
tricks; it is a logically consistent system.
Every behavior problem and every obedience
skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.

Please study his manual carefully. Please
endeavor to understand the basis of his system
and please follow his directions exactly. His
manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with
theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur
and how their solution should be approached.

One should not pick and choose from among his
methods based upon what you personally like or
dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a complete
and integrated system for not only training a dog
but for raising a loving companion.

When I once said to Jerry that his system
creates for you the dog of your dreams, his
response was that it produces for your dog the
owner of his dreams.

You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are
gentle with your dog then he will be gentle
with you, if you praise your dog every time he
looks at you, then you will become the center
of your dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound
distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train
your dog to not misbehave (even in your
absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning to train
my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly and let me
clip his nails).

Using Jerry's scientific method (sound
distraction / praise / alteration / variation)
it takes just minutes to train you dog to
respond to your commands.

What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week
old puppy running as fast has his wobbly little
legs would carry him in response to my recall
command-and he comes running every time I call
no matter where we are or what he is doing.

At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains
upon his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold
exercises and his Family Pack Leadership
exercises.

Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog,
if you scream at him, if you intimidate him, if
you hurt him, if you force him then his natural
response is to oppose you.

Is Jerry a nut?

It doesn't make any difference to me whether he
is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge a
person's ideas based upon their personality. As
far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his heart
upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when he
hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding
or hurting dogs.

More than that, he knows that force is not
effective and that it will certainly lead to
behavior problems; sometime problems so severe
that people put their dogs down because of those
problems.

I believe that it is natural for humans to want to
control their dog by force. Jerry knows this too.
We have all been at our wits' end, haven't we?

Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In
scientific literature it is referred to
allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in like kind
to force; they respond in like kind to praise.

Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your
praise. You will be astonished at how your dog 's
anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior
problems will dissipate along with their anxiety.

Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as
you would the law of gravity and you will have
astounding success.

Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a
sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will surely
get a little gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).
--Larry

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."

Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:31 AM
Subject: How does diagnosis shape treatment?

How does diagnosis shape treatment?

Nearly every week I have a visit from Jerry Howe, who
publicizes himself as The Puppy Wizard. Jerry is a
master at behavi***modification of dogs.

His fundamental bedrock is the work Pavlov's last student,
the late Sam Corson, Ph.D., did at the U of Ohio (at Oxford,O).

Sam always pointed out if the dog stopped working for
you in the lab, Pavlov and he always took the dog away
from the lab, and put him in a loving home and gave him
TLC for a couple of months, and then started, very carefully,
over again.

Jerry believes that reward and constraint focused training
is immoral. I've watched him in one short session calm
impossible dogs, just about to be ***ed (oops "put to
sleep") because of their "incorrigibly" *** behavior.

Sam was one of the first people to apply amphetamine to
hyperactivity (he searched the Middle West for hyperactive
dogs); but he never lost sight of the fundamental reality that
a dog is not a human, but does respond, doggily, to dog love.

You might be surprised to go to B. F. Skinner's "Cumulative
Record" and read the essay by Breland and Breland, "The
Misbehavior of Organisms".

Animals cannot be successfully trained unless the
trainer attends to the evolutionary history, the individual's
developmental history, and the environmental niche of
the animal being trained.

Yep, right there in Skinner's last and summary book.
Even with behavior mod, you must know the animal.

<snip>

Dogs or little boys, you have to know the individual
history, and the nature of he disorder.

Dr. Von

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> > HOWEDY People,

> Well, thanks for taking the time to reply as you
> kindly did. Yeah, ok, I think I got to hand it to you
> lol So it's back to the manual for a while and I'll
> let you know how we get on! I'm still eating my
> humble pie so excuse crumbs ~;0)

> I really didn't think the rewarding bad behaviour
> had a chance in hell but you have proved me wrong......

> He was blanking me like crazy the
> other day, I lost my rag (Got the flu so on a short
> leash myself lol) Gave it a 'Good boy, yeah you
> really are!' and he did what I'd been asking him to
> do for 5 mins straight away lol Doh!! Tickles me now
> when he's up to no good and I say Good Boy, he turns
> straight back to my sweety and he doesn't even know
> it! It's applied physchology all the way with Dobies
> in particular and I know it's often better to turn a
> blind eye rather than confront at that particular
> time, I've always distracted rather than corrected
> at this young age but I'm going your way!!

> Thanks all
> ziggy

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by **Unsurrealit** » Sun, 23 Jan 2005 04:04:50

Quote:

> The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
> INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
> Method Manual Students GET 100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CON-
> TROLL NEARLY INSTANTLY... there AIN'T no MOORE effective faster
> gentler method in the Whole Wild World.

> You can take it or leave it.

Yeah. I've chosen. LEAVE IT! The FACT IS: it's NOT 100% SUCCESSFUL!
That's not an OPINION, IT'S A *FACT*.

Quote:

> But you CAN'T DISAGREE with it on accHOWENT of
> it's a PROVEN FACT that The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
> 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
> FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students
> GET 100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CON-TROLL of ALL behaviors
> and ALL critters NEARLY INSTANTLY.

Of COURSE I can disagree, as I have! IT DIDN'T WORK FOR MY DOG! You
just choose not to listen and live in your little fantasy world you
dumb shit you.

by **Unsurrealit** » Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:57:04

Quote:

> HOWEDY janet,

> >Date: 20 Jan 2005 15:35:54 -0800
> >Subject: Re: New to this Group..Heaven Help me Now!

> > >ALL OF WHOM PLACE LITTLE OR NO VALUE ON EACH OTHER'S SKILL

> janet and her pals shock ***bribe crate intimidate
> and *** dogs and LIE abHOWET it:

This coming from the same idiot who says if a dog's temp goes above
102.5 take it to the vet, yet spikes dogs' temps to 106.

You figure out who's insane.

I don't shock, bribe or crate train, so who is this imbecile talking
about?

Pat

by **BarbnBea** » Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:56:21

Gees.... I feel like I just flew over the cuckoo's nest OR perhaps gained
access to the asylum :))(smiling)
I must admit I am thoroughly amused, I never imagined one single little post
expressing a newcomers point
of view or perspective would prove to be so controversial and threatening.
* Jerry, I assume that is you, sharing archives of conversations well ahead
of my posting,
or time I may have spent here..WTMI (way to much information)
I truly have no interest in that war of words, your manual makes much more
sense and is of far greater value.
Imagine I could have just sat here and read, put my hands in my pocket and
never let my fingers loose
on the keyboard... but oh no not this Canuk.( these blonde moments of mine
do take a toll -sigh)
The first thing I did was RTFM( read the frigging manual)"Wits End Dog
Training Manual."
The second thing I did was comment on the fact that "it was working for me
and more importantly Beau..my dog"
Upon reflection I could have been more tactful expressing my view on some of
the comments folks make to each other here.
What's that quote: "Tact, the ability to describe others as they see
themselves."
Strange how easy it seems to be to make smart ass comments... to anyone, but
not so easy to look at ourselves.
Not so easy to look in the mirror and question or admit error about self,
choose to change self's approach,
or learn a new lesson.
There have been too many times in my life, I stayed silent, not stood up for
what was right or wrong....
heck people like silence so much better, it's so none threatening to
everyone. It also shouts acceptance!
Who is Jerry "The Puppy Wizard" don't know him only know of him, I have
never talked or typed to him personally.
Aristotle thought,"There was never a genius without a tincture of madness."
Is Jerry a "wonder trainer"? Could be.
Does he express himself HERE tactfully? Nope... doesn't seem to play nice
with people.
Is he a Whacko or Savant? hmmm haven't a clue, perhaps he runs the asylum,
and frankly I don't give a damn!
As Abraham Lincoln once said "Whatever you are, be a good one."
He has a method, a systematic humane approach, he wrote and shares a fine
piece of work in the form of a manual.
I have read, tried and worked the system as written...(ok breathe everyone
or close your eyes for the rest..)
IT WORKS!!.... imagine that.
"The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing."
You are welcome to put me in "killfiles" or forward a scarlet letter,
perhaps just a rock around my neck.. whatever.
"You have to do your own growing, no matter how tall your grandfather was."
I will attempt to contact Jerry privately for any further help..perhaps he
will answer, perhaps not. He has helped me get Beau's undivided attention,
and get to his heart, and that is more than I could possibly repay!

My truth, my thoughts in black and white, imagine .."Pleasure in the job
puts perfection in the work"
Do bullets travel as an attachment? Just thought I'd ask:):)

Cheers All
Barb n Beau

Quote:

>> HOWEDY janet,

>> >Date: 20 Jan 2005 15:35:54 -0800
>> >Subject: Re: New to this Group..Heaven Help me Now!

>> > >ALL OF WHOM PLACE LITTLE OR NO VALUE ON EACH OTHER'S SKILL

>> janet and her pals shock ***bribe crate intimidate
>> and *** dogs and LIE abHOWET it:

> This coming from the same idiot who says if a dog's temp goes above
> 102.5 take it to the vet, yet spikes dogs' temps to 106.

> You figure out who's insane.

> I don't shock, bribe or crate train, so who is this imbecile talking
> about?

> Pat

by **The Amazing Puppy Wizar** » Tue, 25 Jan 2005 04:23:00

HOWEDY BarbnBeau,

Quote:

>Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:12:48 -0500
>Local: Wed, Jan 19 2005 11:12 pm
>Subject: New to this Group..Heaven Help me Now!

WELCOME to The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Forums
School Of HARD KNOCKS And HUMAN BEHAVIOR
RESEARCH LABORATORY.

Quote:

>Yep, one of these very clever, but not always
>pleasant to others is "The Puppy Wizard" Jerry
>Howe... I went to his site, read and reread Wits
>End Dog Training Manual more than a few times.
>Having confidence in what I have already
>accomplished with Beau I decide to try something
>a little different. I opened myself up to change
> and tried Mr. Howe's training method....
> WELL LIKE IT OR NOT.....
>HIS METHODS WORK!
> for me.

There has NEVER been an unusccessful FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Student. Ask
anyWON. Ask "unsureality," for EXXXAMPLE. You know
enough abHOWET The UNMENTIONALBLE WON'S METHODS to
ask her WHAT DIDN'T WORK and HOWE did she DO IT and
THEN you can tell her HOWE COME she couldn't train
her dog USING The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Methods
on accHOWENT of you'll SEE SHE NEVER STUDIED the
manual and she's EITHER a LIAR or a MENTAL CASE.

Quote:

>If I have to throw down a set of keys for noise in
>conjunction with a command ( it's all I had in my
>hand at the time) and my dog jumps to complete the
>requested task.... immediately, and completely tuned
>into me.... Now that got my attention!

Yeah, but it's a little MOORE complicated than THAT.
First, you've got to establish TRUST and that means
you can't PUNISH your dogs noMOORE EVER or the
method will certainly FAIL.

Ask anyWON.

Quote:

>I assume most in here are ***s, Please excuse the
>childish behavior and look past it all, read
>everything of value and decide for yourself . Listen
>to what many of these talented people have to say...
>try some of their approaches and use what works best
>for you and your dog!!

INDEEDY.

Quote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."

Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:31 AM
Subject: How does diagnosis shape treatment?

How does diagnosis shape treatment?

Nearly every week I have a visit from Jerry Howe,
whopublicizes himself as The Puppy Wizard. Jerry
is a master at behavi***modification of dogs.

His fundamental bedrock is the work Pavlov's last
student, the late Sam Corson, Ph.D., did at the U of
Ohio (at Oxford,O).

Sam always pointed out if the dog stopped working for
you in the lab, Pavlov and he always took the dog away
from the lab, and put him in a loving home and gave
him TLC for a couple of months, and then started, very
carefully, over again.

Jerry believes that reward and constraint focused
training is immoral. I've watched him in one short
session calm impossible dogs, just about to be
***ed (oops "put to sleep") because of their
"incorrigibly" *** behavior.

Sam was one of the first people to apply amphetamine
to hyperactivity (he searched the Middle West for
hyperactive dogs); but he never lost sight of the
fundamental reality that a dog is not a human, but
does respond, doggily, to dog love.

You might be surprised to go to B. F. Skinner's
"Cumulative Record" and read the essay by Breland and
Breland, "The Misbehavior of Organisms".

Animals cannot be successfully trained unless the
trainer attends to the evolutionary history, the
individual's developmental history, and the
environmental niche of the animal being trained.

Yep, right there in Skinner's last and summary book.
Even with behavior mod, you must know the animal.

Dogs or little boys, you have to know the individual
history, and the nature of he disorder.

Dr. Von

PS if you are interested in dogs, then take a look at

Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavi***function.

But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?*******

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE.

Ain't it.

Ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE HOWE he reconciles
ALLELOMIMETIC behavior with his kids crawling
all over a Giant breed dog on the livin room
floor. What's he gonna do if the dog dog scruff
shakes his kid?

>No one has to take poop ...

The Amazing Puppy Wizard came here to IDENTIFY
EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT the Gang Of Lying Dog
Ausing Punk Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM
INCURABLE MENTAL CASES we got HURTING BRIBING
INTIMIDATING CRATING and ***ING dogs.

> ok ***from anyone else.

THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard
QUOTES their CASE HISTORIES of lies and abuse.

>Wow I finally said it ...

You can say "shit" here but you CAN'T MENTION
The UNMENTIONABLE WON unless you put NINNYBOY
in the subject header and snip text and trim
cross posts to avoid EMBARRASSMENT.

Ask ed w of PET LOSS DOT COIN.

>Good Luck,

Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK.

Is it.

You've PROVEN THAT.

> and Happy Training All,

LikeWIZE.

>Barb

The Amazing Puppy Wizard reveres a dedicated Student.

Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST

> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff
> > said.

> > Mike

> Ok Mike which part worked for you?

It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.

Works like a charm.

My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.

Sorry that slipped my mind.

I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.

Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left
over.

Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.

Seemed he learned through osmosis.

Nice side benefit there.

It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.

I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.

I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.

I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.

Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.

Mike

----- Original Message -----

To: "The Puppy Wizard"
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 12:44 PM
Subject: Re:***er with ear infection

> Thanks Jerry,

> I enjoyed the scientific discussion debunking
> operant conditioning for teaching thinking animals.
> Humans think by forming concepts. All of their
> knowledge is held as a hierarchy of concepts
> (more complex concepts defined in terms of
> simpler ones). In my mind, to treat such a being
> as a B. F. Skinner robot is criminal.

> I don't believe that dogs hold their knowledge
> as concepts as do humans but their ability to
> think is unquestionable.

> Operant conditioning doesn't utilize an animal's
> ability to think. When you show a dog what you
> want them to do, then they are able to grasp the
> problem; they are able to think about it and to
> integrate possible solutions into their mind.

> But with operant conditioning a trainer is actually
> hiding the problem to be solved from the animal.

> For example, it is good for your dog's attention to
> be upon you. When heeling, he will notice your
> movements, your subtle hand signals, your ***
> expressions and he will immediately sense your
> next command. But the clicker trainers have
> forgotten the reasons why a dog's attention should
> be upon you.

> So they condition a dog to unnaturally*** his head
> to stare upward at you. The dog doesn't appreciate
> the meaning of this and neither does the trainer.
> Since this unnatural behavior is prized in the
> obedience ring, the clicker trainers are motivated
> to condition it.

> Don't you think that the "high five" hand shake that
> clicker trainers use to motivate novices looks like
> a Nazi salute (an unthinking reflex). It is not at
> all like a warm hand shake from a loving companion,
> is it?

> Some of your testimonials bring tears to my eyes. I
> love to see how some "thinking" people appreciate
> your methods.
> --Larry

Subject: House training and such...
Date:

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by **Unsurrealit** » Tue, 25 Jan 2005 04:55:03

Quote:

> Gees.... I feel like I just flew over the cuckoo's nest OR perhaps
gained
> access to the asylum :))(smiling)
> I must admit I am thoroughly amused, I never imagined one single
little post
> expressing a newcomers point
> of view or perspective would prove to be so controversial and
threatening.
> * Jerry, I assume that is you, sharing archives of conversations well
ahead
> of my posting,
> or time I may have spent here..WTMI (way to much information)
> I truly have no interest in that war of words, your manual makes much
more
> sense and is of far greater value.
> Imagine I could have just sat here and read, put my hands in my
pocket and
> never let my fingers loose
> on the keyboard... but oh no not this Canuk.( these blonde moments of
mine
> do take a toll -sigh)
> The first thing I did was RTFM( read the frigging manual)"Wits End
Dog
> Training Manual."
> The second thing I did was comment on the fact that "it was working
for me
> and more importantly Beau..my dog"

Well that's great, but I *still* wouldn't support someone or company
who treats people CONSISTENTLY like garbage when the same material can
be found from people who treat people decently.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:

> Upon reflection I could have been more tactful expressing my view on
some of
> the comments folks make to each other here.
> What's that quote: "Tact, the ability to describe others as they see
> themselves."
> Strange how easy it seems to be to make smart ass comments... to
anyone, but
> not so easy to look at ourselves.
> Not so easy to look in the mirror and question or admit error about
self,
> choose to change self's approach,
> or learn a new lesson.
> There have been too many times in my life, I stayed silent, not stood
up for
> what was right or wrong....
> heck people like silence so much better, it's so none threatening to
> everyone. It also shouts acceptance!
> Who is Jerry "The Puppy Wizard" don't know him only know of him, I
have
> never talked or typed to him personally.
> Aristotle thought,"There was never a genius without a tincture of
madness."
> Is Jerry a "wonder trainer"? Could be.
> Does he express himself HERE tactfully? Nope... doesn't seem to
play nice
> with people.
> Is he a Whacko or Savant?

I've been here for years. Yes, he's a whacko.

Quote:

> hmmm haven't a clue, perhaps he runs the asylum,

No. He's in a nursing home.

Quote:

> and frankly I don't give a damn!
> As Abraham Lincoln once said "Whatever you are, be a good one."

That he is good at. Being such an ass as he is takes a lot of work.

Quote:

> He has a method, a systematic humane approach, he wrote and shares a
fine
> piece of work in the form of a manual.
> I have read, tried and worked the system as written...(ok breathe
everyone
> or close your eyes for the rest..)
> IT WORKS!!.... imagine that.

Guess what? IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK!! It didn't for me, yet other
methods have turned my Dobe into the perfect dog. I have a problem
with him saying it's 100% effective and the ONLY right training method.
It's not. I know a few dozen folk where his "100% effective" system
did NOT work.

by **The Amazing Puppy Wizar** » Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:42:23

Quote:

>Date: 23 Jan 2005 11:55:03 -0800
>Subject: Re: New to this Group..Heaven Help me Now!
>[ninnyboy] [jerry]

>> Gees.... I feel like I just flew over the cuckoo's
>> nest OR perhaps gained access to the asylum :))
>> (smiling)

Another 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Student.

Quote:

>> I must admit I am thoroughly amused, I never
>> imagined one single little post expressing a
>> newcomers point of view or perspective would
>> prove to be so controversial and threatening.

Well, we're always open to new ideas here abHOWETS.

Quote:

>> * Jerry, I assume that is you, sharing archives of
>> conversations well ahead of my posting,

Yeah. Some dead president sez we oughta look
at HOWER past history as a predictor of HOWER
future or sumpthin like that.

Quote:

>> or time I may have spent here..

Those LYING DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASES
who's POSTED CASE HISTORIES The Amazing
Puppy Wizard CITES to DISCREDIT them, are
still posting here like as if they've NEVER been
bagged hurtin intimidating and ***ing dogs
and lying abHOWET it, just like as if THAT was
NORMAL.

Well, it AIN'T NORMAL to jerk and ***and
shock and spray aversives in dogs faces and
beat them with sticks and *** dogs they're
AFRAID to jerk and ***and shock and spray
in the face and beat with sticks noMOORE.

Quote:

>> WTMI (way to much information)

Yeah. Some PRETTY *** STUFF The
Amazing Puppy Wizard QUOTES, ain't it.

Quote:

>> I truly have no interest in that war of words,

That's O.K. It's only important to the lying dog
abusing punk thug cowards and active long
term incurable mental cases The Amazing
Puppy Wizard has IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED
and DISCREDITED, and of curse, to HISTORIANS
and RESEARCHERS, like ANAL-ytice behaviorISTS
from all over the Whole Wild World for the next
hundred or MOORE years of study.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAHAA!!!

THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard
only posts HIS VENOM to pubicly archived news groups.

AND SENDS Cc's to those DOG ABUSING MENTAL
CASES like professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer and
his punk pal dr. plonsky of UofWI, dog abusing mental
cases they are.

You'd think they'd at least DEFEND their lies and
abuses intead of hiding from the facts. They're
PROVEN DOG ABUSING COWARDS and FRAUDS.

Quote:

>> your manual makes much more
>> sense and is of far greater value.

Yeah. But you don't understand, BarbnBeau.
This AIN'T abHOWET you and The Amazing
Puppy Wizard and your dog, this is abHOWET
the DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASES that nearly
got your littled dog Beau DEAD on us.

Quote:

>> Imagine I could have just sat here and read,
>> put my hands in my pocket and never let my
>> fingers loose on the keyboard... but oh no not
>> this Canuk.( these blonde moments of mine
>> do take a toll -sigh)

You ain't likely to make a lotta friends here abHOWETS.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard ain't the sort to chit chat.
And noWON else will have NUTHIN to do with you if
you ain't a dog abusing mental case like them...

Quote:

>> The first thing I did was RTFM( read the frigging
>> manual)"Wits End Dog Training Manual."

A WIZE IDEA.

Quote:

>> The second thing I did was comment on the
>> fact that "it was working for me and more
>> importantly Beau..my dog"

Ooops! There goes the neighborhood. <{) ; ~ ) >

Quote:

> Well that's great, but I *still* wouldn't support
> someone or company who treats people
> CONSISTENTLY like garbage

You mean HE treats lying dog abusing mental
cases like lying dog abusing mental cases.

Quote:

> when the same material can be found from
> people who treat people decently.

Not so, unsurreality. You AIN'T gonna FIND
better INFORMATION anywhere in the Whole
Wild World. Ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE
or dr plonsky or Master Of Deception blankman
or ed w of PET LOSS DOT COIN.

Quote:

>> Upon reflection I could have been more tactful
>> expressing my view on some of the comments
>> folks make to each other here.

Try some of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training MEthod Manual
Student's CASE HISTORIES.

What do you think of THEM? There AIN'T a behavior
in the Whole Wild World that ain't been REPORTED
CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY.

Quote:

>> What's that quote: "Tact, the ability to describe
>> others as they see themselves."

You mean, LIKE THIS?:

Subject: biting and attention
Date: 1999/10/13

I hope I'm not being a pest,(I have at least one
question a week) but I've never owned a lab
before and I think my 8month old lab/shepherd
has severe problems.

This newsgroup made me realize she is normal.

Her major problem is biting but I'm told labs and
shepherds are both bad for that as puppies.

Tonight I went to answer the phone and she took
my arm and wouldn't let go. I had to hang up as
my arm still has puncture wounds.

Has anyone had this problem?

I think she gets upset that all my attention is not
on her anymore. (I do spend a lot of time with
her and everyone tells me that I spoil her too much)

She also bites when she needs to go outside.

Any suggestions?

------------------------------------------------------------------

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

Subject: housebreaking good but now bad
Monday, December 06, 2004 10:15 PM

Quote:

> My 5 month old puppy was doing very well
> for a bit with his housebreaking and now he
> seems to have forgotten everything he ever
> learned.

> We will both not survive if we have to start over.

> What can I do as a quick refresher?

> I haven't changed the routine at all, just take
> him out whenever he's at the door or every
> hour even if he hasn't been at the door.

> He gets treats when he comes in (after going
> potty only). What can I do? HELP! Thanks!

---------------------------------

I recently rehomed one of my dogs that
***ly urinated, we tried for two
years to get him over it but nothing worked.
It is not a behavior I can live with.
--------------------

NHOWE HOWE THE HEEL YOU GONNA
WORK WITH THAT KINDA IDIOCY???

Quote:

>> Strange how easy it seems to be to make
>> smart ass comments... to anyone, but
>> not so easy to look at ourselves.

Yeah? TRY THIS:

Quote:

> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile ***at the hands of supposedly
*** dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog
into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that
hide behind fake names are more honest than people that
use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante
dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than
those that have studied and lived by their craft for
decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

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> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

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> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

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>Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

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>> Not so easy to look in the mirror and
>> question or admit error about self,
>> choose to change self's approach,
>> or learn a new lesson.

Well that's only on accHOWENT of it's PAINFUL:

P.S. Contacting Dr. P:

Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.

In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.

That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.

Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.

If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavi***Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.

P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!

Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.

"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, ...

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