Elvis the Papillon

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Elvis the Papillon

Post by The Puppy Wizar » Thu, 27 Mar 2003 00:17:40

HOWEDY gwen honey,

That a Papillion cannot live in the same HOWES with a GSD is only
because of inappropriately and ineffectively mishandled dogs...

Do tell us about the TRAGICK ACCIDENT that just killed you dog.

THAT'S HOWE COME you can't "qualify" to own a Papillion...cause

Tell us all about your shock collar seminar, gwen honey?

Perhaps you'll discuss gettin your dog DEAD if The Puppy Wizzzard
was MOORE  KINDLY to lying dog abuing Punk Thug Cowards like
you, matty, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn, and lying frosty dahl???

Here's a couple others who got DEAD DOGS cause they preferred to
believe you and your punk pals?:


> I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's not here
> with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her loss. I'm the one
> who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I
> was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have
> any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using
> it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I
> started using the e-fence...well, then my concern became how to keep
> them from running off for days on end.
> I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock
> debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
> I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits
> End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up
> stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time. IOW a great
> companion and friend.
> Thanks Jerry!


> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
> Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no
> collars.
> Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to
> come back in the yard and would run for days. The
> last time, Peach didn't come back home.
> I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to
> train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
> minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the
> yard.
> She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her
> from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we
> walk around the yard.
> I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
> e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
> then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an
> electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again.
> The price was too high:-(
> ~misty


 > Jerry has taken the time to help me out off the NG. I have a
 > very loud***atoo who has been having problems adjusting to
 > my 8 month old son.

 > Joey is learning to walk. He likes to use Buddy's cage as a
 > hold on for dear life object.

 > Buddy wasn't exposed to toddlers prior to Joey.. my older
 > two boys went through this stage in a different house where
 > Buddy had his own room and the boys had only visits, not
 > daily contact 24/7.

 > Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny" humans. Joey has
 > been driving him nuts! He showed his disapproval by non-stop
 > screaming. A***atoo scream can be heard a block away with
 > all the widows shut <g> being in the house it makes your
 > ears pop and your nerves crawl.

 > Jerry sent me Free his DDR. He sent instructions on how to
 > use it. He answered my questions quite politely.

 > I have been using the DDR in my kitchen ( where Buddy is
 > located~ ***sy 4 room house) for 3 weeks.

 > At first I noticed no difference in Buddy's behavior. Then I
 > realized after a week that he no longer screamed for hours
 > on end. This isn't to say he stopped completely <bg> he
 > still demands his share of all meals. But he doesn't start
 > screaming at 10 pm when he wants _everyone_ to go to bed.

 > Last week he had a day where he screamed all day. My nerves
 > were frazzled. I went to turn the DDR up a notch per Jerry's
 > instructions. I discovered the DDR was shut off! I turned it
 > back on and left it on the lowest setting. Buddy calmed back
 > down and quit screaming.

 > In the time that I've had the DDR on I've had a lot of c*ts
 > come to my house. One I adopted and he's quite the sweetie.
 > He's a yellow tiger named Gatomon ( means c*t monster) who
 > is very friendly with my kids and Zelda.

 > I may not like how Jerry treats other posters but I do like
 > the methods he shares. Being on a limited budget I like
 > things that are free. I also like the fact that I can e-mail
 > him and get advice whenever I need it.

 > Even my DH who is a technical minded kind of guy thinks the
 > DDR is working. ( He went to Devry and has a degree in
 > electronics, knows alot about radios and anything
 > mechanical... he's a jack of all trades around the house
 > <g>). He does NDT for a living.

 > We don't expect to need the DDR forever.. As soon as Joey is
 > walking, Buddy will realize that he's not a strange animal..
 > some kind of furless dog or c*t <bg>.


> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile ***at the hands of supposedly
*** dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog
into good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that
hide behind fake names are more honest than people that
use their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante
dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than
those that have studied and lived by their craft for

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.


Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)


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> -----Original Message-----

> Sent: Friday, 28 February 2003 11:53 a.m.

> Subject: Jerry Howe

> Hi,
> Jerry uses your email in his posts and I was wondering what you have to
> say of his training methods.
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: Jerry Howe

> If you have read the newsgroup posts then you must already have a good
> idea about what I think.

> His methods are the best I have come across. They aren't a quick fix but
> an entire training concept so if you aren't in for the long haul then
> don't bother.  If you go his way then you have to forget all the other
> gibberish that other people spew, you have to believe in what you are
> doing, then and only then will you get the results.

> You can't combine his methods with other training methods, not until you
> understand what  you are trying to achieve, and even then I have only ever
> combined about 2 other trainers ideas and even then just a snip of what
they > suggest which works in parallel with the Wits End concept.

> His methods make you as the trainer completely responsible for your
> actions, his methods make you think and work out your own solutions for
> any given situation, the default (the recall) is always there to get
> things under control again.  His ideas and concepts teach you to work
> with the dog, to develop a team and a willingness to work together which
> is surely the best way to be.

> His methods don't use force or intimidation but they do totally
> emphasize the absolute importance of pack (family pack) structure,
> without that you can achieve almost nothing.

> If you are wondering how a dog can be trained without any negativity the
> answer lies in the recall, anytime your dog doesn't follow through with
> a request you call him / her to you, since the recall is the first thing
> taught and it is taught in such a way it becomes a reflex the dog always
> returns to you, it is a subordinate position for the dog and we release
> it by asking for a "heel" which is an "equal" position.

> His methods are very good, his understanding of dogs is excellent, I
> recommend his methods.

> Paul Bousie

 Thank you,
 Jerry Howe,
 Director of Research,
 BIOSOUND Scientific
 Director of Training,
 Wits' End Dog Training
 1611 24th St
 Orlando, FL 32805
 Phone: 1-407-425-5092
 Phone: 1-888-BIOSOUND (1-888-246-7686)
 Phone: 1-888-WITSEND  (1-888-948-7363)

 The Puppy Wizard. <TPW;-)>

         (_o_)  Have a great day!
          /  V)
          (l l l)        Your Puppy Wizzzard. <}YPW;~} >

> > Lynn K. said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> > > I'm impressed - this is a nice breed.

> > Rocky's breeder, when she decided to get serious about
> > obedience, bypassed Aussies and went directly to Papillons.
> > They're nice little dogs.

> > --
> > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

> Unfortunately it may be hard for me to find a breeder that will allow
> a papillon with a GSD since their bones are so small. I have emailed
> one and got back response that said they would refuse to place on
> of their puppies in a home with a GSD.

> Of course I do understand.

> Gwen