Letter About Crate - Starry's Scary Night - Re: Crate Training Question

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Letter About Crate - Starry's Scary Night - Re: Crate Training Question

Post by Jerry How » Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:03:24

HOWEDY jenn,


> > > 9 1/2 wks old...she still a little *** sometimes!!

> > > > if she's housebroken, why the crate?
> > Still trainable even at that age
> > Paul
>  Yabbut,

Yabbut NUTHIN.

> you have to be home in order to train a baby,

It's not a baby it's a puppy. And it only takes a couple
hours to train a puppy not to get into things... but you
got to know HOWE.

> Paul.

That's Disciple Paul. You should talk to him jenn, he's pretty
smart... about dogs anyHOWE.

> Jay, tough one.


You're about as knowledgeable as leah... our other
pestmart "trainer."

> I don't like the idea of a pup being in a crate 16 hours.

Yuo don't like the idea of jerking and *** and shocking
dogs either, but you do it cause that's all you know HOWE.

> I can see why you are wrestling with it,

Thanks for the empathy! What's your training solution, jenn?

> as I would too.

You mean if you had a puppy...

> If she *is* potty trained,

You mean HOWESbroken, jenn?

> she will do her level best to hold it until you can get her outside.

You mean outside of her crate, jenn? Her crate is her HOWES.
Your HOWES is the dog's territory to foul, jenn... That's HOWE
COME you can't HOWESbreak a dog in a day or two... like my
100% nearly instantly successful FREE Wits' End Dog Training
Method students report here. You know jenn, the ones you and
your lying dog abusing Thug pals like to call liars, paid shills for
Jerry and FORGERIES, jenn. Remember? Hahahahaha!!! Lots
of sockpupettets, eh jenn? hahahahahaaa!!!

> She may have a hard time holding it for four hours at her age,

Whatever... What's the solution, jenn?

> but she seems to be doing OK so far.

If he was doin OK so far, the OP wouldn't be writing
askin for HELP, jenn. Would he?

> Why don't you try blocking off a room without carpet,
> like the kitchen, and see how it goes?

Yeah? What's gonna stop the dog from destroying the
floors and walls like leah's dog did to her HOWES?

> Jenn, Frodo & Anja, and Hemingway & Edgar, and Leah the eeevil bird
> http://www.moonsgarden.com/


> Okay, here's the situation that's driving me and my
> girlfriend insane.

No problem. For some of us it's a round trip.

> We have a 6 month old Boston Terrier who is defecating
> in his crate nearly every night.

There's no reason to crate him. Crating inhibits HOWESbreaking
and disavails us of training opportunities and causes animosity,
hyperactivity, separation anxiety, fear of thunder, barking,
whining, chewing, pacing, digging, self ***, car sickness,
intestinal and digestive disorders, shyness, aggression, OCD
behaviors and idiopathic epilepsy.

See my post "crate training JERRYIZED."

> This is a recent occurrence, and aside from initial
> housebreaking accidents, we've had few problems.  For the
> last two weeks, he has almost invariably pooped in his cage
> at night.

He's upset.

> We took him to the vet after the second time it happened,
> thinking he may have worms.  They checked his stool and found
> nothing wrong w/him physically,

Of course not. He's having crate anxiety.

> but gave us some antibiotics as a precaution.

That's idiocy, malpractice in my book.

>  Well, those came and went and the problem persists.

Of course. You're giving antibiotics because of an
anxiety problem.

> He has NO problem holding it when he is allowed
> out (during the weekends he is allowed out as long as we
> remain in his presence).

IOW he'll relieve himself when you can't catch him... That's
a message, not an accident, Brian.

> Here's his daily schedule (M-F):

I ain't interested.

> We wake up btwn 7-8 take him outside, feed him, and take him
> outside one more time before we leave.

Sounds pretty normal.

> One of us gets home between 12-1, lets him out 1-2 times.


> We both get home around 6-7 and let him out then feed him.


> Outside one more time before bed time at 10pm.

He's doin fine. What's the problem other than the crate
is confining and making him frustrated.

> My girlfriend thinks I should start yelling at him when we
> find an accident in his cage, but I think that's pointless
> since he won't associate the scolding with the behavior.

That's idiocy on both parts. The dog is having anxiety
problems, not HOWESbreaking problems. His HOWESbraking
is lacking because of your hypervigilance.

> I think he needs to be prompted to correct this behavior
> himself.


> To do this, I recommended that we don't clean his
> crate right away when we find an accident in the morning.

That sounds vindictive.

> What we do now when we find an accident is one of us takes
> him outside, the other cleans the cage, and then we give him
> a bath if necessary.  I don't think this is helping the
> situation.

No, he's probably getting worse because of the stress
and attention to the problem.

> I think that if he starts to realize that when he
> has an accident that it is not going to 'magically' disappear
> when mommy and daddy show up, then perhaps he will hold it
> longer.

He's not having an accident, he's having an anxiety attack.
You cause that by locking him in the box.

> Aside from this, I am going to try to feed him earlier in the
> evening so that he has more time to completely defecate
> before bed time.

That's idiocy. He's not having a HOWESbreaking problem,
he's having a crate anxiety problem, like what killed
tara o's dog Summer.

> any advice is greatly appreciate.

You won't be gettin any advice from our crate and
pronged spiked pinch ***and shock collar fans here,
Brian. Our dog lovers are liars and dog abusers.

Subject: letter about crate
Starrey's Scary Night

    Anyone reading this letter is familiar with my white
shepherd Starr and her problems with fear and anxiety.
Starr has made a lot of progress since my last letter
and continues to make progress almost daily.

    For a while Starr was going through a transition
period where she was expecting me to go back to the old
ways of training and discipline. She would refuse to
perform the commands right and just not want to work.

With a ton of self-control I kept the exercises simple
during this time, spending most of our training session
doing the "hot and cold exercise."

     Starr soon bounced out of her unsure sliding-back-
and-forth stage and is stable now. The reason for this
letter is to talk about crates and the emotional state
they can put a dog in.

    Only after I dealt with the crate situation I'll be
explaining was Starr able to make real progress. After
that the back sliding mentioned above was only a matter
of time, patients and being consistent.

     First let me just say that I'm not saying that you
shouldn't use a crate. Only that you make sure to use
it right for the emotional state of your dog.

     Ever since Starr was a pup whenever I left her alone
I put her in her crate. If we had company Starr went in
her crate because she was not friendly and would bark and
hide. Nights she also spent in her crate which seemed like
a retreat to her, a comfort zone. But that false sense of
security made the world outside her crate seem all the
more scary.

     Starr was unintentionally "taught" that whenever
something was unusual in the house that she was to go to
her "safe place" and then everything would be all right.

     The problem became evident when we got Starr home
afterher training in FL. Starr was so much more confident
in herself. But her fear was triggered by all her past
feelings associated with her familiar surroundings.

Mr. Howe told me to expect Starr might back-slide and
to simply keep working her until she came around.

     I worked with my dog but at night I put her in her
crate. The next morning all the work I had been through
the day before, and whatever progress she had made seemed
to have disappeared.

     I spoke to Mr. Howe about what was going on and he
explained that the false sense of security Starr got from
the crate was making her fear the outside world.  When she
got in the crate she felt safe, after all that was where
I put her whenever something was unstable [if I left, company
etc..] When she came out she was leaving behind that security.

     At first I was going to try to recondition her to being
in the crate but I was so afraid of all the training and
confidence she got in FL being lost that I decided to just
stop using the crate. So I left her in my bed room instead.

     She was not comfortable with this at first. It seemed
like she felt she didn't know where she belonged and that
made her anxious. But using the "surrogate toy" technique
and sound distraction and praise cured her of this anxiety
in less then a half hour.

     Now Starr is comfortable and content to hang out alone
in my room. She's not emotionally confined to just my bed
or to her doggy bed and she is not at all destructive. I
am lucky that Starr's separation anxiety was never expressed
in messing or chewing, though once she took my violin shoulder
rest from my closet and kept it with her on my bed. She did,
however tip over my waste basket twice. Both times I addressed
the expression as it says in Jerry's manual and that's no
longer a problem.

                     Crystal Arcidy