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> The March 4 issue of New Scientist has an article on the "Mind of the
> Dog"  http://www.newscientist.com/features/features.jsp?id=ns22281
>  which is quite interesting.  It cites research that indicates that
> domestication (or at least genetic distinction from wolves) occurred
> 135,000 years ago, much longer ago than previous estimates (14,000
> years ago).  Another claim is that dogs are better at certain
> cognitive tasks than Rhesus monkeys, and have an emotional bond to
> their owners which can be show experimentally to be as strong as an
> infant's bond to its mother (or other primary caretaker).

> I'd be interested in other people's views on this article.  Are the
> sources legit, or is this another Sheldrake?

> Janet Gunn

> I read the article, and was disappointed at the amount
> of speculation it contained.  I would expect better from
> New Scientist.

> > The March 4 issue of New Scientist has an article on the "Mind of the
> > Dog"  http://www.newscientist.com/features/features.jsp?id=ns22281
> >  which is quite interesting.  It cites research that indicates that
> > domestication (or at least genetic distinction from wolves) occurred
> > 135,000 years ago, much longer ago than previous estimates (14,000
> > years ago).  Another claim is that dogs are better at certain
> > cognitive tasks than Rhesus monkeys, and have an emotional bond to
> > their owners which can be show experimentally to be as strong as an
> > infant's bond to its mother (or other primary caretaker).

> > I'd be interested in other people's views on this article.  Are the
> > sources legit, or is this another Sheldrake?

> > Janet Gunn

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> Amy Frost Dahl            Retriever Training            phone: (910) 295-6710

> Pinehurst, NC 28370                                             (http://www.oakhillkennel.com)

> > I read the article, and was disappointed at the amount
> > of speculation it contained.  I would expect better from
> > New Scientist.

> Science, IS speculation, Senorita Dahl.  And it has roots
> back to when  Renee DesCartes used to cut open dogs and
> watch them scream in agony, while "speculating" that the
> "sounds" they made were not evidence of pain, like a human
> would feel, but more of a mechanical reaction, as in a
> machine making a noise when it was broken.

> In some ways, scientists understandings of the way things
> work is far beyond the average person's.  And in some areas,
> scientists need massive amounts of time, data, research and
> contemplation to accept what is plain as day obvious to your
> average second grader.  The reason many scientists are thus
> mentally handicapped has roots back to the aforementioned
> French Mathematician, Philosopher, Scientist Speculator, Dog
> Mutilator/Torturer, etc..

> I like the name New Scientist.  Scientist who can acually
> think without Descartes speculating over their shoulders?
> Who'da thunk it?

> This is Michael
> Reporting Live...
> http://dogtv.com

> > > The March 4 issue of New Scientist has an article on the "Mind
of the
> > > Dog"

> > > I'd be interested in other people's views on this article.  Are
the
> > > sources legit, or is this another Sheldrake?

> > > Janet Gunn

> > --
> > Amy Frost Dahl            Retriever Training            phone:
(910) 295-6710
> > Oak Hill Kennel                 & Handling

> > > I read the article, and was disappointed at the amount
> > > of speculation it contained.  I would expect better from
> > > New Scientist.

> > Science, IS speculation, Senorita Dahl.  And it has roots
> > back to when  Renee DesCartes used to cut open dogs and
> > watch them scream in agony, while "speculating" that the
> > "sounds" they made were not evidence of pain, like a human
> > would feel, but more of a mechanical reaction, as in a
> > machine making a noise when it was broken.

> > In some ways, scientists understandings of the way things
> > work is far beyond the average person's.  And in some areas,
> > scientists need massive amounts of time, data, research and
> > contemplation to accept what is plain as day obvious to your
> > average second grader.  The reason many scientists are thus
> > mentally handicapped has roots back to the aforementioned
> > French Mathematician, Philosopher, Scientist Speculator, Dog
> > Mutilator/Torturer, etc..

> > I like the name New Scientist.  Scientist who can acually
> > think without Descartes speculating over their shoulders?
> > Who'da thunk it?

> > This is Michael
> > Reporting Live...
> > http://dogtv.com

> > > > The March 4 issue of New Scientist has an article on the "Mind
> of the
> > > > Dog"
> http://www.newscientist.com/features/features.jsp?id=ns22281
> > > >  which is quite interesting.  It cites research that indicates
> that
> > > > domestication (or at least genetic distinction from wolves)
> occurred
> > > > 135,000 years ago, much longer ago than previous estimates
> (14,000
> > > > years ago).  Another claim is that dogs are better at certain
> > > > cognitive tasks than Rhesus monkeys, and have an emotional bond
> to
> > > > their owners which can be show experimentally to be as strong
> as an
> > > > infant's bond to its mother (or other primary caretaker).

> > > > I'd be interested in other people's views on this article.  Are
> the
> > > > sources legit, or is this another Sheldrake?

> > > > Janet Gunn

> > > --
> > > Amy Frost Dahl            Retriever Training            phone:
> (910) 295-6710
> > > Oak Hill Kennel                 & Handling

> > > Pinehurst, NC 28370
> (http://www.oakhillkennel.com)

> > Excellent post, Soup. J>

> Thanks Jer.  And I really can't argue with you on that one.

> > > Excellent post, Soup. J>

> > Thanks Jer.  And I really can't argue with you on that one.

>     Oh, brother !! <GAG>
>     Hey, sweetie pie, I'll be in your neck of the woods today.....going to
> the mall at KoP. Wanna show off your dogs' talents? Didn't think so. <EG>

> MaryBeth

> > Keep your eye on CNN.

>     What? You're gonna like blow up some building or something? <G>