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Post by The Puppy Wizar » Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:16:29



HOWEDY lying frosty dahl,


Quote:

> > It's that time of year when the trolls come out
> > to play I guess!

Ain't noWON playin, paul.

Quote:
> > Such a shame to see a nice NG like this being
> > spoiled by a few idiots.

You mean, liars, dog abusers and MENTAL CASES?

Quote:
> Hey!  Don't give the trolls the power to spoil your
> enjoyment of the NG.

Right. You'll do that for us by teaching us to HURT
dogs and LIE abHOWET it.

Quote:
> All the people you like are still here.

INDEED? Good people, like yourself, lying frosty dahl?

Quote:
>  It's a virtual party,

The Puppy Wizard is a party pooper, lying frosty dahl.

Quote:
> not a real one;

This IS a REAL WON, lying frosty dahl. Your credibility
and reputation have been EXXXPOSED as LIES and
ABUSE.

Quote:
>  the troublemakers

You and your dog abusing Punk Thug Coward
MENTALLY ILL pals who HURT and KILL dogs
are the trHOWEblemakers.

Quote:
> are just petty would-be tyrants sitting at
> a computer somewhere.

The Puppy Wizard has EXXXPOSED you as
a liar and dog abuser.

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> Skip their posts (or killfile) and they disappear.

That so? You can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE.
You're a dog abuser and a liar.

Quote:
> The party is only spoiled if the fun and interesting
> people give up and go home.

The Puppy Wizard sez you're a liar and a dog abuser.

Quote:
> Amy Dahl

And HE PROVES IT:
Can you tell the truth from a lie?:

          > > > Jerome Bigge writes:
          > > > I do know that hitting, hurting
          > > > your dog will often make the
          > > > dog either aggressive or a fear
          > > > biter, neither of which we want to do.

And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:

          > > And neither does anyone else,
          > > Jerome.  No matter
          > > what Jerry Howe states.

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This I've Suggested It To Quite
A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY
TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer,
33 Years Experience.

You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above
regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy
Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming Technique (STSA/BTCT)?

Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented
that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?

          > > You're scary Marilyn.

          > > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed
          > > individual.  I feel very sorry for her
          > > and her family.

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.

          > > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
          > > doubt, please provide a quote (an
          > > original quote, not from one of Jerry
          > > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
          > > shows a regular poster promoting or
          > > using an abusive form of training.

BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

          > > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And  Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few  Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What  does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray
one squirt
directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog won't be too
thrilled
with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior."

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

  --Mike Dufort
    author of the zero selling book
    "Courteous Canines"

You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?

Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed
Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her,
Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly
Nipped Her
Ear," sionnach.

Oh, THANKS, sinofa***...


  "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
  something you twisted out of context,
  because you are full of bizarro manure."

           "Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
           helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
           Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
           you to progress to striking them more
           sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
           expert trainer.

You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?

        "Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
        Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
        With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
        discoverer of ***ISM in Labradors.

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all
their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to
HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...


            "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
            things is something you twisted out of
            context, because you are full of bizarro
            manure."

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in the
chest, step
on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb all over it like
a***d
ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop
it on a
pronged spiked pinch ***collar or pop him in the snout with the
heel of
your palm.


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Quote:

> > > > I ENJOYED reading your book, and
> > > > AGREED with what you had to say.
> > > > I find it sick to hear what people
> > > > do with their dogs.
> > > Keep in mind that everything he says that
> > > the regular posters of this ng do to their
> > > dogs are lies.
> > > All of it.  Every last bit.
> > All of it?
> > Ear pinching?
> > Shock collars?
> > Spiked chokers?
> > The regulars lie more in their denials than
> > Howe does in his accusing of them.
:
> Uh, Frank?  Who do you see denying anything?
> Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself
> would see denials when everyone has Jerry
> killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts,
> let alone respond to them.



          > Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

          > > When you compare using sound and
          > > praise to solve a problem with using
          > > shock collars,***, and punishment
          > >  how can you criticize the use of sound?

          > There's nothing more to be said, then.
          > You've made up your mind.

          > But you've impressed me by mentioning
          > that you're a professor with 30 years of
          > experience.

          >  So, can you cite some examples of
          > people recommending "shock collars,
          >***, and punishment"?

BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

          > --
          > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

You think matty's playin with a full
goddamned deck?

matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.

Isn't that true, Marilyn?

Of course not, but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
 professora gingold.


          > >Di,

          > I don't believe you mentioned a particular
          > kind of training. If you are interested in
          > training retrieval behavior than do
          > consider our own Amy Dahl's:

          > The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a
          > Well-Mannered,  Obedient and
          > Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a
          > Day by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl

You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"

           "I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
           Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
           Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A
           Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"

LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a *** of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.

"I don't see why ...

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Post by Tsets » Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:53:31


I don't know why you would want to killfile the Wizard, for he's really
useful if you ever start having self-doubts.  Just open one of his messages
and you can't help but realize how intelligent and stable YOU are!



Quote:
> HOWEDY lying frosty dahl,




> > > It's that time of year when the trolls come out
> > > to play I guess!

> Ain't noWON playin, paul.

> > > Such a shame to see a nice NG like this being
> > > spoiled by a few idiots.

> You mean, liars, dog abusers and MENTAL CASES?

> > Hey!  Don't give the trolls the power to spoil your
> > enjoyment of the NG.

> Right. You'll do that for us by teaching us to HURT
> dogs and LIE abHOWET it.

> > All the people you like are still here.

> INDEED? Good people, like yourself, lying frosty dahl?

> >  It's a virtual party,

> The Puppy Wizard is a party pooper, lying frosty dahl.

> > not a real one;

> This IS a REAL WON, lying frosty dahl. Your credibility
> and reputation have been EXXXPOSED as LIES and
> ABUSE.

> >  the troublemakers

> You and your dog abusing Punk Thug Coward
> MENTALLY ILL pals who HURT and KILL dogs
> are the trHOWEblemakers.

> > are just petty would-be tyrants sitting at
> > a computer somewhere.

> The Puppy Wizard has EXXXPOSED you as
> a liar and dog abuser.

> > Skip their posts (or killfile) and they disappear.

> That so? You can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE.
> You're a dog abuser and a liar.

> > The party is only spoiled if the fun and interesting
> > people give up and go home.

> The Puppy Wizard sez you're a liar and a dog abuser.

> > Amy Dahl

> And HE PROVES IT:
> Can you tell the truth from a lie?:

>           > > > Jerome Bigge writes:
>           > > > I do know that hitting, hurting
>           > > > your dog will often make the
>           > > > dog either aggressive or a fear
>           > > > biter, neither of which we want to do.

> And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
> This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:

>           > > And neither does anyone else,
>           > > Jerome.  No matter
>           > > what Jerry Howe states.

> "Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
> Dealing With This I've Suggested It To Quite
> A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY
> TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer,
> 33 Years Experience.

> You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above
> regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy
> Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming Technique (STSA/BTCT)?

> Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented
> that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?

>           > > You're scary Marilyn.

>           > > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed
>           > > individual.  I feel very sorry for her
>           > > and her family.

> "His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
> Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
> Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
> Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
> You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
> Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.

>           > > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
>           > > doubt, please provide a quote (an
>           > > original quote, not from one of Jerry
>           > > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
>           > > shows a regular poster promoting or
>           > > using an abusive form of training.

> BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

>           > > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

> "Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
> Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
> Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
> Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
> The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
> mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

> You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
> MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

> "Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
> A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
> Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
> Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
> Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

> You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
> SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
> is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

> "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
> Quite Harsh And  Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
> Normal Reaction The First Few  Times It Happens,
> But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
> "Courteous Canine."

> You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
> is COURTEOUS?

> "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
> your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
> as possible. What  does this mean?"

> Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

> "When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray
> one squirt
> directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog won't be too
> thrilled
> with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior."

> You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

>   --Mike Dufort
>     author of the zero selling book
>     "Courteous Canines"

> You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?

> Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
> suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?

> Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?

> "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
> Grabbed
> Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
> Leaned On Her,
> Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly
> Nipped Her
> Ear," sionnach.

> Oh, THANKS, sinofa***...


>   "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
>   something you twisted out of context,
>   because you are full of bizarro manure."

>            "Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
>            helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
>            Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
>            you to progress to striking them more
>            sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
>            expert trainer.

> You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT
> a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?

>         "Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
>         Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
>         With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
>         discoverer of ***ISM in Labradors.

> Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all
> their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to
> HURT THEIR DOGS?

> "John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
> gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
> rump with a training stick while holding him partially
> off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
> to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

> The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
> to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.

> We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...


>             "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
>             things is something you twisted out of
>             context, because you are full of bizarro
>             manure."

> Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in the
> chest, step
> on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb all over it like
> a***d
> ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop
> it on a
> pronged spiked pinch ***collar or pop him in the snout with the
> heel of
> your palm.








> > > > > I ENJOYED reading your book, and
> > > > > AGREED with what you had to say.
> > > > > I find it sick to hear what people
> > > > > do with their dogs.
> > > > Keep in mind that everything he says that
> > > > the regular posters of this ng do to their
> > > > dogs are lies.
> > > > All of it.  Every last bit.
> > > All of it?
> > > Ear pinching?
> > > Shock collars?
> > > Spiked chokers?
> > > The regulars lie more in their denials than
> > > Howe does in his accusing of them.
> :
> > Uh, Frank?  Who do you see denying anything?
> > Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself
> > would see denials when everyone has Jerry
> > killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts,
> > let alone respond to them.



>           > Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

>           > > When you compare using sound and
>           > > praise to solve a problem with using
>           > > shock collars,***, and punishment
>           > >  how can you criticize the use of sound?

>           > There's nothing more to be said, then.
>           > You've made up your mind.

>           > But you've impressed me by mentioning
>           > that you're a professor with 30 years of
>           > experience.

>           >  So, can you cite some examples of
>           > people recommending "shock collars,
>           >***, and punishment"?

> BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

>           > --
>           > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

> You think matty's playin with a full
> goddamned deck?

> matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.

> Isn't that true, Marilyn?

> Of course not, but THIS IS:

> "Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
>  professora gingold.




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Post by The Puppy Wizar » Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:17:07


HOWEDY tsetse,


Quote:

> I don't know why you would want to killfile the Wizard,

Cause HIS QUOTES are EMBARRASSING.

Quote:
> for he's really useful if you ever start having self-doubts.

The Puppy Wizard could drive you MENTAL.

Quote:
> Just open one of his messages and you can't help but
> realize how intelligent and stable YOU are!

Or NOT. Then it's all over...

You'll be killfiled for not snipping cross posts and
triming text and puttin NINNYBOY in the subject header.

Oh bye the bye, here's your pal lying frosty dahl HURTIN
dogs IN ADVANCE to keep em HONEST:

Swiss Cheese Dog Training Method - dahl's Shock
Collar Method Shot To HEEL - If The Damned Dog
Was Trained Properly You Wouldn't NEED To Hurt Him

Date: 2001-12-22 17:00:31 PST

Hello People,

Follow this to watch a "dog trainer" confuse and abuse a dog
and then boil it down to shocking the dog IN ADVANCE to
motivate him... kinda like HOWE she beats a restrained dog
with a stick "to make him really dig out," (as opposed to "dig
in," which proves me a liar...)

Hello amy,


Quote:
> Thanks, Ed, I'll take a look.  Did Jerry make a guess

Jerry don't GUESS when it comes to dog training.

Quote:
> as to what the slingshot is for?

You can use your slingshot for any behavior control at a
distance, like fence jumping or barking or digging holes or
eating poo, just like it says in your koehler book. BB's are
good too, so your book says.

Quote:
> Did he correctly guess that we use it on a water blind to
> make a splash in the water ahead of the dog, to help him
> understand that there's something ahead of him to retrieve?

That's the only good use for it.

Quote:
> It's a lot longer range than throwing rocks.

Why don't you just make your dummy husband go out there and
snatch her up outta the water and beat her a while? That's
what you do on land, as articulated in your own words about
Pudge being so soft she'd avoid being beaten with a riding
crop even when tied and knowing she can't escape it. Correct?
Or am I making up your own published words again?

Quote:
> Amy Dahl

I've been wanting to find out from the first time we chit
chatted, HOWE COME you've got to beat and shock your dogs to
make them reliable hunting partners. It's INSTINCTIVE in dogs,
with the Retriver Dog getting the capital R in front of his
name Retrieve for obvious reasons, and you can't even bring
that out in a dog without hurting him.

Read on and correct me, if you've got the nerve. We'll see:


About dahls "Forced Fetch Without The E Collar" article:

Quote:
> > As a matter of fact, I did read it with interest.  To be
> > forthright with you, I had no response because I am not
> > experienced with retriever training. I didn't think it
> > would be right to attempt to pick apart your post as I
> > have no knowledge about the situation you described.

That's why I answered it.

Quote:
> I would hope some other response would be possible than
> "picking it apart."

You want to talk training? That's what we do to training
methods to determine if they're going to be suitable for a
particular task. You'll notice in the "concerns about the
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual" thread nobody bothered
to discuss the techniques... Seems the only issue they took
was a couple seplling and grammer mistooks.

Quote:
> Every post does not require an adversarial response.

What adversarial? We examine a technique, we observe and
detail the dogs' responses, and we figger it out to see if we
got it right or not. Sometimes I spend a couple days just
thinking out scenarios to set a dog up in to get a behavior
trained.

Quote:
> I was and am curious if you were at all surprised to have
> spelled out the infrequency of collar use,

I pointed that out. It looked to me like it was an oversight,
like you left out half the training. I'm surprised you mention
it now, makes me think you didn't think we was paying
attention. That makes me think there's something fishy going
on again, eh dahl?. Let's face it, you do have a *** record
of lying.

Quote:
> the importance of context, the sophistication of protocol,

Exactly. You'll see a whole lot of out of context work and
q!$$ poor planning in your post if you look at it from the
perspective of a competent trainer. I'll repost "swiss cheese
training" below for you.

Quote:
> and the sheer quantity of preliminary training used to make
> sure the response to the collar is as desired.

You make me sick. You could***a maggot. If the damned dog
was trained properly you wouldn't NEED to hurt him no matter
HOWE little you claim you HURT the dog.

Quote:
> Were you surprised to learn that the "nick" from the collar,

You mean the shock? You mean the shock you gave the dog after
he'd broke his command, refused several subsequent commands,
and thenM FINALLY comes to command and sits facing you waiting
for instructions...THEN YOU BURN HIM?

That's absurd. The whole scenario you proposed was bunk.

Quote:
> when delivered, is not some mondo-punishment designed to
> make the dog behave out of fear,

Right. It's like beating the dog with a switch after you've
tied him down and thrown a dummy for him to retrieve that he
can't get to;

It's intended to motivate the dog and demonstrate teamwork,
pack cohesiveness, and cooperation. The dog learns to respect
the Thug weilding the switch and shows his eagerness to work
by jumping e***dly when shown the switch and chain.

Quote:
> but a mild stimulus which functions more as communication,

Yeah? A static like stimulation from a medical grade
shock-like device. Dogs don't shock each other to communicate.
And they don't slap each other. And hitting dogs is not clear
communication despite what steve boyer says. And chin cuff
DOES mean slap the damned dog. And nick? I don't know what
nick means. I know what shock means.

Quote:
> and which the dog has previously been taught not to fear?

What is this with you? You think we believe you give a damn
about what the dog thinks? You HURT dogs to train them. Chin
cuff don't mean slap the dog according to your pal professora
gingold. You pinch but don't twist ears, and you never
mentioned twisting toes or the toe hitch.

Quote:
> Did it help you understand any of the things you did wrong
> with your Dal?

Yeah. It showed me you don't know any better than the shock
collar salesman. If you was such a hot shot trainer you
wouldn't NEED to hurt dogs to train them.

Quote:
> What happened to your e-collar after you quit using it?

Make her an offer for it. She don't need it no moore. She
trained her dogs in just a few days using my FREE Wits' End
Dog Training Method manual without hurting nobody.

Quote:
> Amy Dahl

Now take a look at the whole story:

Hello Amy,


Quote:

> > Thanks for your reply... it is informative but not quite
> > what I was seeking.

Of course not. She's given you an example that is so far
fetched (no pun intended) from anyones' experience,
familiarity, and abilty to discuss as a training problem, that
she's confounded all but the "experts" who are into "advanced"
training...cindy mooron, dogman, all our koehler fans.

That's why I came in here, because our "experts" have a long
history of confounding the issues to make competent trainers
seem unknowledgeable, in order to protect their alleged right
to hurt dogs to train them.

Quote:
> > I was looking for an actual example of what is done using
> > an e collar.

Well, that's something you've got to ask an expert about. I'll
answer the questions if you'd like.

Quote:
> > Do you recall any of your training sessions in which you
> > used an e collar?

The ecollar is generally used after the dog has been
meticulously trained by an expert trainer and the introduction
of the e collar done in the proscribed manner to insure
reliability.

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> > Again, I'm not going to use one;

Good idea, because there's never any need to hurt or
intimidate a dog to train them.

Quote:
> > I only wanted to know how such training was accomplished
> > in one specific example.

The usual answer is that you need an expert to show you
because it's too complicated for our scientists and engineers
here to detail in writing. It requires in person teaching at
the heel of a master trainer who train dogs to the higest
degree of expertise, and then shocks the dog for not
performing it's allegedly properly trained and conditioned
commands.

Quote:
> Let's see.

Yeah. Let's see...

Quote:
> Suppose you are trying to teach a retriever something like
> going over a point of land and continuing in the water.

You mean to move out in a straight line.

Quote:
> This is something which needs to be taught if you want your
> dog to be at all versatile in doing blind retrieves

Seems to me straight means in a straight, straight line.

Quote:
> (taking direction to pick up birds he hasn't seen fall).

You mean go where I point? Seems to me left is left and right
is right. I always look at my hand to be sure. I line the
thumbs up with the big toe, and cipher from there, which one
is left or right.

Quote:
> The reason is,

Well, the reason is I'd want to be sure I'm using the same
left and same right as the dog knows, or I'd really***him
up when I burned him.

Quote:
> of course,

Of course. That's one reason why I don't ever "correct" or
hurt dogs to train them, we sometimes get it wrong and louse
the dog up.

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> that although people tend to think in terms of straight
> lines and directions, a dog is contending with aspects of
> terrain and landscape and needs to learn how to negotiate a
> variety of those in order to understand the directions a
> person may give him.

Seems to me straight means straight. What's the problem for
the terrain if the dog is taught to go out straight, and turn
left or right "righty tighty lefty loosy." That's another
trick I use to know my lefts' from ...

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Post by J1Bo » Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:44:51


Quote:

>Date: 10/28/03 5:53 PM Eastern Standard Time

>I don't know why you would want to killfile the Wizard, for he's really
>useful if you ever start having self-doubts.  Just open one of his messages
>and you can't help but realize how intelligent and stable YOU are!

really?  I have no self doubts, but I'm POSITIVE I'm not the person PW thinks I
am!  

Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

 
 
 

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Post by The Puppy Wizar » Fri, 31 Oct 2003 02:04:37


HOWEDY janet,

You're a liar and a dog abuser. See "interested in hearing."


Quote:

> >Date: 10/28/03 5:53 PM Eastern Standard Time

> >I don't know why you would want to killfile the Wizard, for
he's really
> >useful if you ever start having self-doubts.  Just open one of
his messages
> >and you can't help but realize how intelligent and stable YOU
are!

> really?  I have no self doubts, but I'm POSITIVE I'm not the
person PW thinks I
> am!

> Janet Boss
> Best Friends Dog Obedience
> "Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
> Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
> www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com