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Post by Gman » Thu, 08 May 1997 04:00:00



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> Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
> Subject: Re: FIGHTING QUEEN SAVES DAY
> Date: Thursday, May 01, 1997 8:12 AM

> Hey ZenMaster:

> Just curious, here.  How many dogs have you "trained"?  I was thinking of
> this last night on my way home from work and it sounds, from your posts,
> that the only dogs you have had experience with are Chazz and his mother.
> That, plus your (apparent) age leads me to believe that Dogman, Mojo's
Mom,
> and the rest of the sensible regulars on the group all have more
experience
> in their proverbial "little finger" than you do in your whole body.
> Indeed, by continuing to ignore their advice, you just prove your
> ignorance.  It is truly sad to see a young man who is so sure of his own
> "wisdom" that he totally disregards the true wisdom of those around him.

> Before you ask the question, I have been around dogs my whole life, but
> this is the first one I've had on my own.  It's harder than I thought and
> this group helps, so I try to help back when I can.  Everything I've
posted
> here has been based on (1) my admittedly LIMITED experience and (2)
common
> freaking sense.  I have seen precious little of either from you.  Your
> latest posting serves to educate those on the group just how well your
dogs
> are trained - not at all - unfortunately, it's your animals who must pay
> the price in *** and pain.

>***.  Grow up.

> Gman
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> > > >   If the owners of the "guest dogs" cannot control
> > > > > their dogs, it is your responsibility to protect your own dogs --
> get
> > > them
> > > > > collars and leashes and GET CONTROL of them...at least while they
> are
> > > > > around your dogs.  Why are your dogs in a position to have food
> fights?
> > > > > Why is MeKim allowed to terrorize the other dogs?  Why are YOU
not
> in
> > > > > control?

> > > > I don't need to protect my dogs.  They can protect themselves.

> > > They shouldn't have to protect themselves, that's YOUR job.

> > > >I need to protect MeKim, even though he is the terrorizer and the
> > > aggressor.
> > > > The other day, when he attacked Chazz, Chazz fought back fiercely
and
> > > > then Callie jumped in and it was two against one and MeKim thought
he
> > > > was going to take them both on, and that's why I had to toss him to
> the
> > > > other side of the kitchen, not to protect my dogs from him, but
> protect
> > > > him and his mutilated ear and pin-cushioned skull from Callie
> > > > specifically, who was protecting her son, specifically.

> > > > Also, the dogs are not in a position to have food fights.  I feed
my
> > > > dogs completely separate from theirs.  The fight over the bone
> occurred,
> > > > because MeKim's owner gave it to him out in the open in the
hallway.
> It
> > > > was a fresh meaty bone from the supermarket.

> > > Stupid, stupid, stupid......

> > > > She didn't realize this could be trouble and when we walked into
the
> > > > house, Callie boldly bum rushed MeKim and took his bone, then the
> fight
> > > > occurred.

> > > Not in control of your dogs once again.....

> > Control freak meter is on the rise....

> > > > I don't need to be in control at all times like you may feel the
need
> > > > to.  I like watching dogs interact.  I like knowing what will set
> them
> > > > off and what won't.  I like watching a fight happen

> > > Arrgh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > Control freak meter reaches 7.8...

> > > >and I like watching
> > > > the dogs resolve it themselves and if they can't do it relatively
> > > > peacably, then I'll intervene.  If I wanted to get control of
MeKim,
> I
> > > > could do it in about twenty minutes, but first of all, he is not my
> dog
> > > > and I will not do it until I am asked to do it and second of all,
he
> is
> > > > a perfect living laboratory for me.  He is what happens when you
> don't
> > > > train your dog or socialize your dog.  I couldn't ask for a better
> > > > situation to be in.

> > > Being in control of you dogs means that YOU don't put them in
> situations
> > > where they need to fight.  If you are truly the alpha of your pack,
> your
> > > dogs rely on YOU to protect them and keep them safe, feed them safely
> > > (without contention), provide exercise, etc.  That they feel they
need
> to
> > > do this themselves indicates that you are NOT alpha, period.  Pets
are
> not
> > > laboratory experiments.  If you feel the need to learn, read a book.
> Don't
> > > subject your dogs to injury so you can watch what happens.

> > Captain, control freak meter is approaching Ten, get ready to abandon
> > ship!

> > First of all, there is no question that I am alpha but since this
> > bothers you so much, let me tell you about the LATEST BIG FIGHT!!! It
> > was today April 30th, 1997 at approximately 1pm on a sunny, balmy east
> > coast afternoon.

> > IT WAS LIKE WORLD WAR THREE and it was further proof why I have THE
> > GREATEST DOG IN THE WORLD, yes the *QUEEN of ***ES* was in rare form
> > and proved how she could solve this whole mess if I decided to let her
> > do it.

> > Callie, Chazz and Tai were out in the yard playing and roughhousing
> > having a good ol' time when alas, MeKim the Terrible (who, for those of
> > you not aware, is kept separate from Tai at all times for reasons that
> > will become apparent) snuck out the door of the house when a guest
> > entered and like a shot went straight after Tai with dancing being
being
> > the last thing on his mind.  

> > You see, every fiber of his being is focused on getting to Tai and
> > taking a chunk out of him.  The thought occupies all his waking hours
> > and every moment he sleeps is but a facade...for he cannot sleep, not
> > while Tai lives, and while Tai walks this earth MeKim's only reason for
> > existing is and will be the utter destruction of his younger foe.

> > In burst of speed, Mekim closed on his target, and Tai, unlike Chazz
> > stood his ground and awaited his seething attacker...The ZenMaster,
> > raised up from his lawn chair and raced to head off the Yellow hound
> > from hell but his screams went unheeded and the onset of the onslaught
> > was near.

> > Then two Chows met and in a flash raised up on their haunches and
> > exploded in a savagery now too, too familiar...but lo and behold, what
> > was this?  Out of nowhere a Chocolate blur from the West appeared and
> > into this desperate maelstrom she burst and parted the warring Chows
> > like Moses.  It was none other than the Great Callie, Queen of ***es,
> > redresser of evils, assuager of all manner of injustice, and (for the
> > sake of fairness and accuracy) pilferer of fresh meat bones, destroyer
> > of durable goods, and mortal enemy of rat and groundhog....anyway, into
> > their midst she came, knocking aside the Red Chow and taking on the
> > yellow dog full chocolate jacket...

> > But the younger Tai, still in the throes of aggression, still lashing
> > and flashing gleaming fangs, still looking for a target found the slim
> > and speedy Chazzman who had rushed into the melee after his mother, and
> > now, two battles raged from whence there were one.  Luckily, the Red
> > Chow and the brown Chazzman quickly recognized eachother as friends and
> > stopped their accidental battle of their own volition, but the Queen
now
> > had set herself upon the malicious Yellow Chow, whose owner rushed out
> > and screamed "Callie NOOO!" seeing her dog thusly engaged with the
> > Raging ***.

> > The ZenMaster then grabbed his warring *** by her thick otter tail as
> > the Chow was similarly harnessed and in this manner the battle was
> > disjoined, perhaps a moment too soon...for Callie could have done what
> > would have taken a human much longer to accomplish.  She could have
> > convinced MeKim not to attack Tai and she could have done it much more
> > efficiently and effectively than could I or anyone else.  And she could
> > have done it probably without hurting him at all.  For the ten seconds
> > or so that they fought, I watched a master in action and although she
> > was overwhelming MeKim, she wasn't hurting him, it was all a big show.
> > Now, if food was involved, things would have been different, that is
the
> > only time, she is truly dangerous to another dog, but she was just
> > putting on a clinic here.  It looked like a vicious fight, but no
damage
> > was done whatsoever.    

> > The first time I saw the Chows fight several months ago, I immediately
> > thought to myself, "you know, Callie would settle all this right away"
> > but I didn't want to risk her getting involved with these vicious dogs.
> > It was my first experience with Chows and I thought even she might be
> > out of her league against these guys.  In fact, the real fight I have
> > been dreading is between Callie and Tai, since Tai, although a very
> > sweet and good natured dog, is such an excellent fighter...but that
> > fight happened about a week ago over an old bone Callie was chewing out
> > in the yard and in

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Reposting of prior response - Second response

Post by Sandra Pov » Thu, 15 May 1997 04:00:00


On 7 May 1997 00:38:45 GMT, in the last days of the millenium, "Gman"

Nothing but quoted a very long thread.

Um, Gman, could you please try to trim your quotes a bit more?

Sandra Pover
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