Plott hound update

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Plott hound update

Post by Julia Gree » Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:13:32



Okay, everyone, I need some advice.  Lily the Plott Hound is a really sweet
dog and I really want things to work out but she has a very seriously
obsessed working-hound side to her.  Here's our set-up:  6 acres completely
fenced with 4 foot board fencing and wire inbetween the boards.  Just after
we moved here we discovered that our terrier mix could climb over the fence
so we installed an invisible fence around about 3 acres of the area closer
to the house.  That solved that problem.  We've discovered that Lily, when
she sees something to go after (we have lots of deer and rabbits here) will
go through the electric fence (yes, I trained her about it and she
understood to stay within the flags, etc.) and then climb over the regular
fence.

 We have some ideas about possible solutions but I'd like some feedback from
this group.  One idea I had was to continue the regular fencing across our
property where the invisible fence crosses underground.  The original
invisible fence goes just in front of the regular fence all around and is
about 3 feet inside of it.  I wonder if she'd still go through the electric
fence with the regular right there to back it up?  Any suggestions?

Julia

 
 
 

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Post by Rich & Marge Grit » Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:16:38


Glad you are planning on solving the fence problem rather than getting
rid of the dog.  Dogs that disregard electric invisible fences are often
in "overdrive" as they cross the line.  Things like chasing a squirrel,
following someone going by on a bike, hot on the trail of a *** in
heat.  The reaction to the zap comes too late.  Such fences often don't
work on high prey drive dogs like sibes or, in your case, a scent hound
driven to distraction by some tempting scent.  Good stout conventional
fencing is your best bet and most humane alternative.  If you can't
afford a huge fenced yard, start with a small one or even a kennel and
go out with her frequently for her exercise in a larger area.  Gradually
increase the true fenced area as your finances are able.
Quote:

> Okay, everyone, I need some advice.  Lily the Plott Hound is a really sweet
> dog and I really want things to work out but she has a very seriously
> obsessed working-hound side to her.  Here's our set-up:  6 acres completely
> fenced with 4 foot board fencing and wire inbetween the boards.  Just after
> we moved here we discovered that our terrier mix could climb over the fence
> so we installed an invisible fence around about 3 acres of the area closer
> to the house.  That solved that problem.  We've discovered that Lily, when
> she sees something to go after (we have lots of deer and rabbits here) will
> go through the electric fence (yes, I trained her about it and she
> understood to stay within the flags, etc.) and then climb over the regular
> fence.

>  We have some ideas about possible solutions but I'd like some feedback from
> this group.  One idea I had was to continue the regular fencing across our
> property where the invisible fence crosses underground.  The original
> invisible fence goes just in front of the regular fence all around and is
> about 3 feet inside of it.  I wonder if she'd still go through the electric
> fence with the regular right there to back it up?  Any suggestions?

> Julia

 
 
 

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Post by Julia Gree » Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:05:13




Quote:
> Glad you are planning on solving the fence problem rather than getting
> rid of the dog.  Dogs that disregard electric invisible fences are often
> in "overdrive" as they cross the line.  Things like chasing a squirrel,
> following someone going by on a bike, hot on the trail of a *** in
> heat.  The reaction to the zap comes too late.  Such fences often don't
> work on high prey drive dogs like sibes or, in your case, a scent hound
> driven to distraction by some tempting scent.  Good stout conventional
> fencing is your best bet and most humane alternative.  If you can't
> afford a huge fenced yard, start with a small one or even a kennel and
> go out with her frequently for her exercise in a larger area.  Gradually
> increase the true fenced area as your finances are able.

I think you need to reread my post <s>.  We have a fenced-in area of 6
acres.  And an invisible fenced area within the fenced area of about 3
acres.  She can climb over the fence.  I wish I could draw a picture
here--it would make it so much easier to explain <s>.
 
 
 

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Post by Andre » Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:49:40



<snip>
We've discovered that Lily, when

Quote:
> she sees something to go after (we have lots of deer and rabbits here)
will
> go through the electric fence (yes, I trained her about it and she
> understood to stay within the flags, etc.) and then climb over the regular
> fence.

>  We have some ideas about possible solutions but I'd like some feedback
from
> this group.  One idea I had was to continue the regular fencing across our
> property where the invisible fence crosses underground.  The original
> invisible fence goes just in front of the regular fence all around and is
> about 3 feet inside of it.  I wonder if she'd still go through the
electric
> fence with the regular right there to back it up?  Any suggestions?

IMO, with a hound, she'll probably still go through, if the physical fence
is still low enough that she can get over it, especially considering she now
knows she can. My suggestion would be a taller fence. I know a 4ft fence
and/or an invisible fence would never contain my dogs. If the draw is strong
enough, they'd go right through it.

Can Lily get over your fence by jumping, or does she actually climb it? If
the latter, perhaps a hotwire or a "game fencing" addition to the top would
help. Isn't Lily still pretty young? Will she get taller or better able to
jump as she gets older?

--
-Andrea
 Saorsa Basenjis

 
 
 

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Post by Julia Gree » Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:35:03


Quote:

> knows she can. My suggestion would be a taller fence. I know a 4ft fence
> and/or an invisible fence would never contain my dogs. If the draw is
strong
> enough, they'd go right through it.

> Can Lily get over your fence by jumping, or does she actually climb it? If
> the latter, perhaps a hotwire or a "game fencing" addition to the top
would
> help. Isn't Lily still pretty young? Will she get taller or better able to
> jump as she gets older?

She does actually climb it.  My husband had thought of putting electric wire
on the fence but my fear with that is that she will get up on the fence, get
shocked and then react by jumping down on the other side of the fence.  I
guess we can try that first before putting in a new fence cutting across the
property.  I was thinking that if she has to go through a shock a couple of
feet before the fence,  she'll be unlikely to then climb the fence.  Lily's
about 3, according to my vet, so I don't have to worry about her getting
bigger.     Thanks for your thoughts.

Julia

 
 
 

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Post by Andre » Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:40:59



<snip>

Quote:
>  She does actually climb it.  My husband had thought of putting electric
wire
> on the fence but my fear with that is that she will get up on the fence,
get
> shocked and then react by jumping down on the other side of the fence.

It should be put into a position such that she'll have to touch it before
actually getting to the very top & into a position such that she's able to
jump the rest of the way over. Also, as I'm sure you know you'll need to
check it to make sure nothing shorts it out. Fallen branches and such can do
that.

I was thinking that if she has to go through a shock a couple of

Quote:
> feet before the fence,  she'll be unlikely to then climb the fence.

Well, I don't know how driven Plotts are once they're on a line, but I know
for my guys it'd be a matter of <ouch!> and <boing> then "Deer, here I
come!"

--
-Andrea
 Saorsa Basenjis

 
 
 

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Post by Andre » Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:43:16


My favorite word of the day is apparently "such".

Food...me need food.... (Yeah, that's what I'll blame it on!)

--
-Andrea
 Saorsa Basenjis

 
 
 

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Post by Rich & Marge Grit » Fri, 22 Mar 2002 02:11:45


Well, I just meant a taller conventional fence, sorry if I was unclear.  If
you want to try attaching an electric line to the conventional fence, place
the wire on supports a few inches inward from the fence line.  Where she would
put her paws up and still have hind legs on the ground.  (She will need to be
grounded when she hits it.)  Also, when you try this be standing by.
Sometimes you can rent a solar electric fence line for a short period of
time.  I think conventional fence that is higher is still your best best.
Quote:



> > Glad you are planning on solving the fence problem rather than getting
> > rid of the dog.  Dogs that disregard electric invisible fences are often
> > in "overdrive" as they cross the line.  Things like chasing a squirrel,
> > following someone going by on a bike, hot on the trail of a *** in
> > heat.  The reaction to the zap comes too late.  Such fences often don't
> > work on high prey drive dogs like sibes or, in your case, a scent hound
> > driven to distraction by some tempting scent.  Good stout conventional
> > fencing is your best bet and most humane alternative.  If you can't
> > afford a huge fenced yard, start with a small one or even a kennel and
> > go out with her frequently for her exercise in a larger area.  Gradually
> > increase the true fenced area as your finances are able.

> I think you need to reread my post <s>.  We have a fenced-in area of 6
> acres.  And an invisible fenced area within the fenced area of about 3
> acres.  She can climb over the fence.  I wish I could draw a picture
> here--it would make it so much easier to explain <s>.

 
 
 

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Post by Julia Gree » Fri, 22 Mar 2002 05:29:46


.>>  I think conventional fence that is higher is still your best best.

I don't think so.  If she can climb over a 4 foot fence she could probably
climb over something higher.  And to replace 6 acres of fence would probably
cost around $20K (it cost $10K 9 years ago).  I'll try a hot wire or extra
fencing across the property that's just behind the invisible fence, I think.
Thanks for your comments.