"Critical" Socialization Period

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"Critical" Socialization Period

Post by The Puppy Wizar » Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:30:48



HOWEDY Lee,


..

Quote:

> Some people here (Leah, in particular) claimed
> that my views on the "critical" socialization period
> were not only "wrong" but "dangerous".

Well, that's INSANE.

Quote:
> When I get things wrong I admit it.

You didn't get nuthin wrong or The Amazing
Puppy Wizard wouldn't let you get away with
it no different than anyWON else here abHOWETS.

Quote:
> I wasn't wrong.

Of curse not. And that CASE HISTORY of
Starr and Crystal PROVES it again.

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> And the current views on socialization
> are actually *more* dangerous

INDEEDY. And Professor Daniel and Sunshine's
CASE HISTORY likeWIZE, PROVES IT.

AS DOES leah's own RECENT GRADUATE
STUDENT Rottie who'd been in SOCIALIZATION
and OBEDIENCE trainin with her since ten
weeks old who RECENTLY ***ED a
little DEAD DOG in the park.

AS DO ALL HOWER DOG LOVER'S CASE
HISTORYS in The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
Archives on Google.

Quote:
>  because of the almost complete misunderstanding
>  many people here apparently have about it.

leah's RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie
***ED that innocent little DEAD DOG on
accHOWENT of her PAW PATROL in SOCIALIZATION
classes.

In the process of ***ING a innocent little
DEAD DOG leah's TRAININ and SOCIALIZATION
made her a couple hundred bucks, to boot.

So, there's NO MOTIVATION to do otherWIZE.

Quote:
> Since you like cites by names you know,
> here's one for you: Patricia McConnell

dra. mcconnell has been DISCREDITED by
The Amazing Puppy Wizard as CITED in
Professora Daniel and Sunshine's CASE
HISTORY of WORKING WITH HER unsuccessfully.

Quote:
> says that some of the initial studies on the
> "critical window" have been questioned, and
> that some in the field are now referring to this
> as a "sensitive" period, not a "critical" one.

CORRECT. Same same for the "adolescent
rebelliHOWES stage." The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Student's dogs don't go through
"rebelliHOWES stages" and "spooky" behavior
is dealt with just like any other undesirable behavior.

Quote:
> Meanwhile, some breeders won't let a puppy go
> home with its new owners until after the dog is
> 12 wks. old

Scott & Fuller and The Amazing Puppy Wizard
sez six weeks is apupriate.

Quote:
>  because they feel it's important for
> the pup to stay with its mother and
> littermates or else the dog will miss
> out on its critical socilization period,

That's ABSURD. The puppy NEEDS to be
in his new HOWES with his new FAMILY,
not rollin in shit and fighting his littermates.

Quote:
> which can only take place in the litter.

INDEEDY. A puppy ain't gonna learn NUTHIN
from his littermates EXXXCEPT competition
and inapupriate habits for a human family.

Quote:
> I've known a number of dogs who weren't
> allowed contact with other dogs until after
> the "window" had closed.  And these dogs
> had no socialization problems.

Of curse not. ALL behavior problems are
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

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> Another trainer I respect says that he's seen
> dogs who had no socialization with other dogs
> (other than the mother and littermates) for
> up to 8 mos. and had no problems with socialization.

ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR.

ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

Quote:
> My own dog has had the same three social
> responses to every dog he meets since he
> was 10 wks. old, despite the fact that I
> "socialized him early" to other dogs.  (He's
> either attracted to a dog, uninterested, or he
> avoids the dog.

Duh-Oh?

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>  He's always been like this

You mean NORMAL?

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> and he probably always will.)

We'll prey for that.

Quote:
> If contact with other dogs during the "critical"
> stage were so important, wouldn't my taking
> him to the dog run starting at 8 wks. have had
> some effect on his social behavior?  Yet it hasn't
> had *any* appreciable effect.

If you want to CHANGE his behavior you can.
All you gotta do is set it up and FOLLOW the method.

Quote:
> Puppy classes and "socialization" groups can
> actually be detrimental to a dog's socialization,
> particularly since the mindset of some people is to
> just throw the dogs together to get them "socialized".

And PAW PATROL...

Quote:
>  This often puts the puppy in an unnatural
> situation with more stimulus than he can handle

And THAT'S HOWE COME leah's RECENT GRADUATE
STUDENT Rottie's PRAY DRIVE SUDDENTLY KICKED
IN and he ***ED a little innocent dog in the park
and TRIED to *** his brother.

THAT was REFELXIVE MEMORY of leah's PAW PATROL.

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> and the natural process of learning how
> to get along with other dogs is short-circuited.

AS EVIDENCED in leah's posted CASE HISTORY.

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>  Socialization classes are unnatural and
>  should be avoided or outlawed.

That's where we're goin with all this dog trainin stuff, Lee.
We're droppin the floor HOWET from under the entire
industry, Lee. There ain't a veterinary behaviorist or dog
trainer we haven't DISCREDITED RIGHT HERE in The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Forums.

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> Socialization to humans is different from
> socialization to other dogs. "Dog = friend/family"
> takes place in the litter through a natural
> "imprinting" process.

Right. It's built in.

Quote:
> Dogs do not naturally imprint to human beings
> and should be given safe, friendly contact with
> as many different types of people as possible
> during the socialization period.

True, but there's lots of feral dogs who've
never had that and still managed to get
socialized someHOWE.

Quote:
> Acclimating a dog to new sounds, surface
> textures, traffic, etc. is NOT A PART OF
> THE SOCIALIZATION PERIOD.

Of curse not, or we wouldn't be able
to TRAIN dogs to NEW or fearful
obstacles if they hadn't been specifically
introduced to them early in development.

Therefore, the THEORY is DISCREDITED.

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> It's part of the FEAR DEVELOPMENT PHASE.

RIGHT. HOWEver, apupriate handling trainscends all fears.

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>  Lumping these two things together, even
> though they happen concurrently, muddies
> your thinking.

Further CONfHOWENDING this are the laws
restricting interstate air shippin of puppys pryor
to 8 weeks of age. These EXXXPERTS think
that was to facilitate SOCIALIZATION, instead
of only to INSURE LIVE SHIPMENT.

Quote:
>  Anyone who says that a puppy needs
> to be acclimated to new sounds, etc.,
> as part of his socialization doesn't
> understand what socialization is.

The WORLD is FULL of SCARY stuff.
If the "socialization" period theory was
TRUE all fearful stuff would necessarily
have to be introduced during those stages.

Quote:
> No dog should be expected to be socialized
> to all other dogs.  In fact, this is a baaaad idea.

Although it does go against NATURE, The
Amazing Puppy Wizard disagrees that it's
a bad idea. Your dog should naturally want
to do anything you ask.

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> I say let the dog decide who he's
> comfortable or uncomfortable with.

RIGHT. THAT'S HOWE The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's CONDITIONING METHODS
WORK, Lee. We NEVER REPRESS
undesirable behaviors, we allHOWE
the dog to think of them and briefly
and variably distract and INSTANTLY
PRAISE and repeat the process of
EXXXTINGUISHMENT.

Quote:
> Always trust your dog's instincts,

INDEEDY. "Nature is NEVER wrong."

Quote:
> not the "experts" who still believe in the
> outmoded idea that dogs are capable
> of forming a social hierarchy, etc.

Yeah. Look at the mess HOWER elections are in...
A dog COULDN'T CONfHOWED anythin like that.

Quote:
> Rousseau said, "Nature is never wrong."

And he was right, of curse. THAT'S HOWE COME
when we sez sumpthin abHOWET behavior even
if what we attribute HOWER OBSERVATION to is
incorrect, the FACTS REMAIN THE SAME:

      "The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
                                 Never Change,
         Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain
             Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
                                For All Handler's
                                  And All Dogs,
                             NEARLY INSTANTLY,
  As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
           WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
                         The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ )  >

Quote:
> And since dogs are a part of nature, dogs are never wrong.

INDEEDY.  TRAINING CONTRADICTS INSTINCT.

Quote:
> I'm a human being, so I'm wrong about
> things from time to time.  I'm not wrong
> about this.

And NHOWE you got CASE HISTORY DATA,
aka EVIDENCE, as in The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's Archives.

                  A Dog Is A Dog As A Kat Is A Kat
                           As A Birdie Is A Birdie
                            As A Child Is A Child
                 As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

                 ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE
                      CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

       Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
            We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
                  And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

         In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
                       FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
                               SAME SAME,
         For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

 
 
 

"Critical" Socialization Period

Post by The Puppy Wizar » Fri, 29 Oct 2004 02:30:33


HOWEDY Lee,


..

Quote:

> Kelley's OP:>>some breeders won't let a puppy go
> home with its new owners until after the dog is
> 12 wks. old

> Howe:>Scott & Fuller and The Amazing Puppy Wizard
> sez six weeks is apupriate.

> >> because they feel it's important for
> >> the pup to stay with its mother and
> >> littermates or else the dog will miss
> >> out on its critical socilization period,

> >That's ABSURD. The puppy NEEDS to be
> >in his new HOWES with his new FAMILY,
> >not rollin in shit and fighting his littermates.

> > A puppy ain't gonna learn NUTHIN
> > from his littermates EXXXCEPT competition
> > and inapupriate habits for a human family.

> I disagree.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard has whelped raised
trained and observed HUNDREDS of puppys from
birth till death over 45 years, under all kinds of
situations from being orphaned and hand raised,
places in new HOWESES at four weeks, raised
in the kennels, WHATEVER, it's all the same same.

Quote:
> I think it's important for a puppy to learn bite
> inhibition from its mother and littermates.

You mean self defense? HOWE does a puppy
LEARN bite inhibition from his momma and
littermates?

Would THAT be acceptable behavior for the
puppy to pass on to HUMAN CHILDREN in
the family?

IN FACT, THAT'S OFTEN THE ONLY REASON
HOWE COME DOGS BITE KIDS. Think allelomimetic
behavior, Lee.

Quote:
>   I also think that 8-10 wks. is the
>   optimal time for him to leave.

There's NUTHIN to be learned from rollin in shit
with other puppys gettin BITE INHIBITION trainin
from anyWON other than his HUMAN FAMILY.

THINK ALLELOMIMETIC BEHAVIOR, Lee.

THAT'S HOWE COME WE DON'T REPRESS BEHAVIORS.

THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERED leah's GRADUATE STUDENT
Rottie's SUDDEN UNCON-TROLLABLE PRAY DRIVE.

REMEMBER NHOWE?

Quote:
> >> No dog should be expected to be socialized
> >> to all other dogs.  In fact, this is a baaaad idea.

> > Although it does go against NATURE, The
> > Amazing Puppy Wizard disagrees that it's
> > a bad idea. Your dog should naturally want
> > to do anything you ask.

> Of course.  But forcing a dog to go against his natural,
> instinctive response to another dog is a recipe for trouble.

INDEEDY. AS EVIDENCED by leah's RECENT
GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie who RECENTLY
***ED a little innocent DEAD DOG in the
park, thanks to her PAW PATROL and SOCIALIZATION
classes since IT was ten weeks old.

REMEMBER?

Quote:
>   If it's a situation where it becomes a necessity
>  (which happens from time with me when I board
>  dogs), then I'll ask Fred to make an effort to make
>  our visitor feel at home in her temporary, new
> environment, and he'll follow my instructions.

That's apupriate for any situation.

Quote:
> This shouldn't be construed to mean that
> Fred will want to fight with the new dog.

HOWER dog's WANTS are ofen a far stretch
from HOWER wants. THAT'S HOWE COME
dog lovers hurt and *** their dogs.

Quote:
>As I said in another post, he never fights unless
> he's cornered by another intact male who initiates
> the aggression.

That's fair.

Quote:
> He will tend to avoid some dogs who come
> to board unless I tell him to "say hello" and
> sniff the other dog, which he'll do if I tell him to.

That's WIZE.

We've got ALL the CASE HISTORY DATA here
to PROVE or DISPROVE ANY DOG BEHAVIOR
THEORY, Lee.

There's NO MOORE THEORIES LEFT to DISCREDIT:


Subject: Re: "Learning Theory"-An Insult to Canines


- Show quoted text -

Quote:
> "Learning Theory"-An Insult to Canines

> Classical and operant conditioning is founded in what is
> termed "learning theory".

> The four rudimentary rules of "learning theory" are:

> Something Good can start or be presented, so behavior
> increases = Positive Reinforcement (R+)

> Something Good can end or be taken away, so behavior
> decreases = Negative Punishment (P-)

> Something Bad can start or be presented, so behavior
> decreases = Positive Punishment (P+)

> Something Bad can end or be taken away, so behavior
> increases = Negative Reinforcement (R-)

> Proponents of "learning theory" believe that no learning can
> take place without reinforcement or punishment either
> positive or negative. That is why they employ treats and
> force.

> "Learning theory" is a flawed concept for evolutionarily
> advanced species. Advanced species learn without any
> external motivation. They are not automatons that merely
> respond to stimuli. Their evolutionary survival has endowed
> them with self motivated learning behavior.

> Canines, in particular, are curious, they love to learn and
> they exhibit pride in what they have learned. They think-they
> figure things out. They can invent games to play. They can
> invent behaviors to drive you crazy. They have emotions-they
> can be humorous and they can be vindictive-their feelings can
> be hurt.

>  They can suffer terribly if you don't treat them with respect.

> They actively seek their environment for new things
> to learn. They also learn from watching other animals and
> humans and they mimic their behavior (in the scientific
> literature this is termed allelomimetic behavior).

> It is an insult to the intelligence of dogs and to their owners
to
> employ operant conditioning (clicker training). Dogs are not
> B.F. Skinner robots whose only capacity to learn stems from
> the four rules of "learning theory".

> Canines deserve treatment and training that is tailored
> to their nature. You can literally ruin your dog if your
> treatment and training does not respect their nature.

> Please study the Puppy Wizard's Wits' End Training
> Method. It is the only available method, of which I am
> aware, that is based upon the true nature of canines.

> In his system, praise is not used as a reinforcement or
> motivator, i.e., dogs are not asked to work for praise.

> --Larry

Planarians are primitive, free-living, flat bodied, freshwater
creatures. They can be conditioned to respond to stimuli,
display the ability to master a two-choice maze, and can
transfer the memory of training from one individual to another
by feeding a ground up planarian to another one. It is this
primitive level of learning that "Learning Theory" and operant
conditioning addresses. Operant conditioning does not rely
upon an animal's ability to think. It operates upon a
primitive (nervous system) level for animals in general,
regardless of the level of their brain development. When you
train a dog using clicker training, you are training a
mindless reaction to your clicker / reinforcement.

Your dog is not learning an idea-he is learning a conditioned
reflex. He will perform just like a robot when you give the
signal-
he can't help it. It has also been shown that when you later
withdrawal your reinforcement that it will induce stress which
will lead to behavior problems-often quite severe.

Learning in humans is conceptual. "Learning theory" plays
absolutely no part in human learning. Humans do not learn
through a process of gaining some reinforcement or avoiding
some pain. They study their environment, they form concepts,
they learn logic (in order to separate truth from falsity) and
using reasoning they attempt to integrate all of their
knowledge without contradiction.

If humans seem to respond to some reinforcement or
to avoid some pain, it is because they have consciously
evaluated the various alternatives and have made a
reasoned choice--that is not a conditioned behavior and
it is not an application of "Learning Theory".

Canines are not conceptual animals, but they do possess the
ability to think. Their thinking powers are different both in
kind and in degree from humans. That is why it is so important
to learn their nature in order to train them successfully.

Operant conditioning operates at a primitive, nervous system
level. It does not take advantage of a dog's ability to
think-only his ability to be conditioned.

The act of subverting his nature as a thinking creature causes
stress and anxiety which can in turn produce behavior problems.

Please study the Puppy Wizard's Wits' End Training Method.
It is consonant with the nature of a thinking dog. It will not
induce stress and anxiety and no behavior problems will result.

--Larry

 
 
 

"Critical" Socialization Period

Post by The Puppy Wizar » Fri, 29 Oct 2004 06:50:03


HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman,


Quote:
> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:48:05 -0400 LeeCharlesKelley


Quote:

> > I wasn't wrong.  And the current views on
> > socialization are actually *more* dangerous
> > because of the almost complete misunderstanding
> > many people here apparently have about it.

> Many people have the wrong idea about
> what the term "socialization" means.

Oh? We goin back to TOO MANY WORDS again,
Master Of Deception blankman? Ain't THAT HOWE
COME you got that catchy handle?

Quote:
> > Since you like cites by names you know,
> > here's one for you: Patricia McConnell
> > says that some of the initial studies on
> > the "critical window"  have been questioned,
> > and that some in the field are now referring
> > to this as a "sensitive" period, not a "critical" one.
> OK
> > Meanwhile, some breeders won't let a puppy
> > go home with its new owners until after the dog
> > is 12 wks. old because they feel it's important for
> > the pup to stay with its mother and littermates or
> > else the dog will miss out on its critical socilization
> > period, which can only take place in the litter.

Of curse, that's ABSURD on accHOWENT of
dogs learn dog STUFF, not human family STUFF
when they're raised through their "CRITICAL
SOCIALIZATION" in a PIG PILE of POOPY PUPPYS.

Quote:
> That can be a misunderstaindg of the principles,

You gonna straighten us HOWET?

Quote:
>  or it can be a misunderstanding of the rationale,

Or it could be you tryin to obfuscate the discussion.

Quote:
> or it could be a mischaracterization of
> a particular breeders reasoning.

You want QUOTES?

Quote:
> Any and all of these things are possible.

Yeah. Anything's POSSIBLE but that's not
what Lee was sayin, was it.

Quote:
>   The decision of when to send puppies to a
> new home can be based on correct principles
> as well as incorrect ones.

Straighten us HOWET, Master Of Deception blankman.

Quote:
>  Depending upon the breeder's time and skills,
> and the environment of the new home, the best
> timing will vary.

IOW, you mean SHEER DUMB BLIND STUPID LUCK.

Quote:
> > I've known a number of dogs who weren't allowed
> > contact with other dogs until after the "window" had
> > closed.  And these dogs had no socialization problems.
> > Another trainer I respect says that he's seen dogs who
> > had no socialization with other dogs (other than the mother
> > and littermates) for up to 8 mos. and had no problems with
> > socialization.

Of curse not.

The "socialization" ***is bullshit.

Quote:
> Your phrasing here suggests a
> misunderstanding of the term
>  "socialization".

Wanna QUOTE Websters?

Quote:
> What the trainer might have observered is lack
> of problems with dog to dog interaction.  Lack
> of socialization may or may not cause problems
> in dog to dog interaction.

Hunh?

Quote:
> Lack of socialization is an explanation for
> observed behavior but is not itself a behavior.

Lack of SOCIALIZATION means the dog wasn't
never EXXXPOSED to the object to SOCIALIZE
with, Master Of Deception blankman. EITHER
the dogs was NOT EXXXPOSED or they WAS
EXXXPOSED, after that your BUNK is IRRELEVENT.

Quote:
> > My own dog has had the same three social
> > responses to every dog he meets since he
> > was 10 wks. old, despite the fact that I "socialized
> > him early" to other dogs.  (He's either attracted
> > to a dog, uninterested, or he avoids the dog.  He's
> > always been like this and he probably always will.)

> Social interaction can be influenced by socialization.

That so? Don't you think you're usin TOO MANY WORDS?

Quote:
> But they are not codependent.

That so? Perhaps you ain't usin ENOUGH words?
Maybe they ain't CO DEPENDENT on each other
on accHOWENT of they're the same same, Master
Of Deception blankman?

We got a C-HOWENT yet on HOWE many Angels
with agility / sheep dog Angels can set on the top
of a pin if you beat them into place with your shepherd's
crook and aversive spray and jerked and choked them
on pronged spiked pinch ***collars with custom
knitted cover ups?

Perhaps THAT'S HOWE COME your SOCIALIZATION
isn't such a WIZE IDEA, Master Of Deception blankman?
Perhaps if EVERY dog  was jerked and choked on
pronged spiked pinch ***collars through their
"CRITICAL SOCIALIZATION" period they'd ALL
*** innocent little DEAD DOGS in the park
like liah's or TURN ON SMALL CHILDREN like
tara o. aka tee's DEAD DOG Summer done DESPITE
being RAISED with a NICE LITTLE CHILD who's
NHOWE takin ANTI PSYCHOTIC medication in 1st grade.

BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

Your SOCIALIZATION DOESN'T WORK which
MEANS your THEORY IS DEAD WRONG and
no matter HOWE you twist the words you AIN'T
gonna make em shriek like you do when you pinch
and twist a dog's ears.

Quote:
>  Socialization is the learning process
>  faciliatated by experience.

You mean socializing?

Quote:
> And like most learning the more wide and
> varied the experience the more broadly it
> can be applied.

Care to DIS-CUSS the role your custom knitted
covered up pronged spiked pinch ***collar
and food bribes and PAW PATROL might play
in all this SOCIALIZING?

Quote:
>  It is very common when the breadth of experience

You mean, the SOCIALIZING?

Quote:
>  is limited that the learning is similarly limited.

It only takes WON EXXXPERIENCE to LEARN
abHOWET it. Like all them stories you hear
abHOWET a dog gettin SPOOKED by a garbage
collector and hatin everyWON wearin a uniform.

THAT'S SOCIALIZATION.

Quote:
> > If contact with other dogs during the "critical"
> > stage were so important, wouldn't my taking
> > him to the dog run starting at 8 wks. have had
> > some effect on his social behavior?

AND that RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie
of leahs wouldn'ta RECENTLY ***ED a little
innocent DEAD DOG at the park... would he, Master
Of Deception blankman, on accHOWENT of he was
IN SOCIALIZATION and OBEDIENCE classes since
IT was ten weeks old, MOORE than a year PRYOR
to ***IN a little innocent DEAD DOG in the park.

REMEMBER?

Quote:
> >   Yet it hasn't had *any* appreciable effect.

Of curse not, on accHOWENT of it's BUNK.

ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR.

ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

Quote:
> Taking him to the dog run starting at 8 weeks
> could have had a negative effect just as easily
> as a positive one depending upon his experiences
> there.

You mean, like gettin jerked and choked on your
pronged spiked pinch ***collar and gettin bribes
withheld?

Quote:
> > Puppy classes and "socialization" groups
> > can actually be detrimental to a dog's socialization,
> > particularly since the mindset of some people is to
> > just throw the dogs together to get them "socialized".

> Absolutely correct.

Well, that's kindly of you to agree. We was just
talkin abHOWET pronged spiked pinch ***collars.

Quote:
>   This is a significant problem when people
>  think "socialization" means "playing with."

Right. Socialization got nuthin to do with PLAY.

Quote:
> It does not mean playing with, nor does it
> necessarily mean interacting with.  It means
> becoming familiar with.

You're usin too many words again Master Of Deception blankman.

Quote:
> > This often puts the puppy in an unnatural situation
> >  with more stimulus than he can handle and the
> > natural process of learning how to get along with
> > other dogs is short-circuited.

Like in leah's PAW PATROL.

We can DISS-CUSS that as the CAUSE of leah's
RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie ***IN
that little innocent DEAD DOG in the park.

Quote:
> > Socialization classes
> > are unnatural and should be
> > avoided or outlawed.

> Outlawed - sheesh youer hyperbolyle
> really dents your credibility.

Ask the owner of that little DEAD DOG, Master Of
Deception blankman. Every thing you think you know
abHOWET dogs and behavior is DEAD WRONG.

Quote:
> > Socialization to humans is different from
> > socialization to other dogs.

> NSS

?

Quote:
> > "Dog = friend/family" takes place in the litter through
> > a natural "imprinting" process.  Dogs do not naturally
> > imprint to human beings and should be given safe,
> > friendly contact with as many different types of
> > people as possible during the socialization period.

> Just as they should with dogs.

You don't GET IT, do you? IT'S BEEN DONE.

Quote:
> > Acclimating a dog to new sounds, surface textures,
> > traffic, etc. is NOT A PART OF THE SOCIALIZATION
> > PERIOD.

And THAT'S HOWE COME the so called
critical socialization period is SHEER BUNK.

Quote:
> Yes, it is.

Naaah. If that was true a dog couldn't be
EXXXPOSED to and over come new obstacles
after that CRITICAL SOCIALIZATION stage IF
he hadn't seen it during the SOCIALIZATION
stage.

IOW, you're full of crap. You're trying to DEFEND
an HOWEtdated incorrect THEORY you've bought
into on accHOWENT of it's an EXXXCUSE for not
bein able to TRAIN ALL DOGS NEARLY INSTANTLY
on accHOWENT of you hurt and intimidate them.

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> > It's part of the FEAR DEVELOPMENT
> > PHASE.  Lumping these two things together,
> > even though they happen concurrently, muddies
> > your thinking.  Anyone who says that a puppy needs
> > to be acclimated to new sounds, etc., as part of his
> > socialization doesn't understand what socialization is.

Correct.

ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

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> > No dog should be expected to be socialized to all other dogs.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard disagrees.

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> No dog whould be expected to like all other dogs,

That's IRRELEVENT.

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>  nor be expected to interact indiscrimenantly with them.

That's BUNK. That's another EXXXCUSE to
COMPENSATE for INCOMPETENT TRAINING.

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>  But a dog should be able to behave in
> a calm and non-threatening manner.

Right.

Or you'll HURT or *** IT.

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> > In fact, this is a baaaad idea.  I say let the dog
> > decide who he's comfortable or uncomfortable with.
> > Always trust your dog's instincts, not the "experts"
> > who still believe in the outmoded idea that dogs are
> > capable of forming a social hierarchy, etc.

> This has absolutley nothing to do with correct socialization.

Too many words?
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> Correct socialization requires introduction

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