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> Mark,
> If you decide to visit the link Jerry Howe has given you,
> (http://www.moonsgarden.com/), be sure you also take a look at
> http://www.moonsgarden.com/~twillis/Harlan/concerns.html
> "Concerns About Claims for the Wit's End Dog Training Method and
Doggy
> Do Right".
> Whatever you do decide, make it an informed choice.
> Ed Williams
Hello People,
Here's a "VITAL WARNING" from our respected behaviorist, an
educator who PUNISHES DOGS BEHAVIOR, and NOT THE
DOG, associate professor of behavior at Wisconsin University,
our own esteemed marshall dermer:
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> doc dermer writes:
> Dear Readers and Contributors:
> I have appended below my second attempt at a FAQ about
> Jerry's products.
Products? I offer the Wits' End Dog Training Method manual, a
FREE, comprehensive text on training WITHOUT FORCE,
FEAR, CONFRONTATION, OR PUNISHMENT...
Our respected professor NEVER bothered to READ the text, at
least NOT PAST the part in the introduction where I CONDEMN
the universities and their BOGUS "professors" who teach us to
CONFRONT AND PUNISH DOGS for their behavior, instead of
TEACHING US SCIENTIFIC METHODS to modify behavior
WITHOUT HURTING DOGS.
AND, I offer FOR SALE, Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL
TOO) http://www.moonsgarden.com/ , a remarkable sound
program that REHABILITATES DOG and CAT BEHAVIOR
PROBLEMS such as FEAR OF THUNDER, separation anxiety,
excessive barking, HYPERACTIVITY, car sickness, and fighting
and spraying in cats, to name a FEW behaviors Doggy Do Right
(and KITTY WILL TOO) can CURE WITHOUT TRAINING.
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> Here are my thoughts:
This ought to be good, doc...
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> 1. The "FAQ" is now better described as a "Concerns About"
> page.
Meaning there is NO SUBSTANCE to your "CONCERNS"...
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> 2. I am most in debt to Terri for she posted a first draft, but I
> did not use all her suggestions. This is basically because I
> felt that although her suggestions differed in detail, the basic
> problem was the same: Jerry had failed to adequately
> support his claim(s).
Here, our good doc is relying on HELP from a vicious,
incompetent psychopathic CLOWN, who just bought a pronged
***collar to "train'' her dog and defends ***, shocking, and
*** DOGS, and says she only punishes her dog 5% of the time...
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> 3. I thank Avrama and Dogman for their encouragement, and
> Lynn and Fred for their suggestions. If I have missed anyone
> else, I am sorry.
Let's LOOK at the players?
OUR friend avrama is a professora, who is MISSING her front
teeth because HER dog got FED UP WITH HER JERKING AND
*** him to come, so he learned to HURT HER BACK, and
BASHED HER TEETH OUT on a recall, and MADE IT LOOK like
it was an ACCIDENT. The dog LEARNED this behavior BY
COPYING THE ACTIONS AND ATTITUDE of his SNEAKY
"trainer," who HURTS HIM, and makes it LOOK like SHE DIDN'T
DO IT... It's called allelomimetic behavior. Just like marshalls'
dog learned to *** on his pillow...
OUR pal Dogman (a.k.a. lyingdogdirty), HANGS DOGS to
REHABILITATE THEM. 'Nuff said about dogdirtbag.
cindymoron and lyingfrostydahly twist and pinch dog's ears and
toes and BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS...That's ACCEPTABLE HERE...
Next, we have lyinglynn, a pathological liar (first rpdb regular to
EARN the lying title in front of her name) and notorious dog
abuser. She has been arguing both sides of every issue and
changing her lies mid stream all along. She was thrown out of
catholic college because of her PATHOLOGICAL LYING
problem, but she would rather have us believe it was because
she was caught whoring around...
Then, we've got frantik fraud die, our SHOCK COLLAR
SALESMAN. Read Jerry's HIGH-STAKES CHALLENGE to get a
better idea of where THIS FREAK is coming from. Here's a guy
who doesn't understand enough about his product to advise
people to PROPERLY CONDITION the dog to the collar prior to
use. THAT is a NECESSITY the manufacturers warn users of
their products about. Some of the "trainers" here are familiar
with the concept, but they won't speak up, because they want
to protect their sleazy little chump chums from EMBARRASSMENT.
Finally, we've got a crew of Anklebiters, marybeth, lyinglois,
terry willis, and a few other cretins who BLOW SMOKE UP
YOUR BEHIND to cover up for their pals who HURT DOGS...
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>4. When this page is complete, I propose that we simply "sign"
> it by placing our names and e-mail addresses at the top of the
> page, below the title, alphabetically ordered by our e-mail
> addresses.
That's the ONLY good idea you bums have come up with YET.
SIGNING a STATEMENT would help IDENTIFY the abusive
MORONS we need to be AWARE OF and AVOID, who will tell
us to HURT our dogs to make them WANT TO WORK for AND PROTECT US.
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> Of course, keep on posting further suggestions.
> --Marshall
Concerns About Claims
for the Wit's End Dog Training
Method and the Doggy Do Right
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> We, readers and contributors to rec.pets.dogs.behavior, have
> frequently read claims about the Wit's End Dog Training
> Method (WEDTM) and the Doggy Do Right (DDR). We here
> document our concerns about just some of the claims
> detailed at http://www.moonsgarden.com/(as of 12/26/99) and
> in the numerous posts Mr. Jerry Howe, the inventor/promoter,
> has made in rec.pets.dogs.behavior newsgroup.
DON'T FAIL TO MENTION that Jerry has been a professional
dog trainer specializing in behavior problems and protection for
three dozen years...
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> We have not, however, addressed all claims for two reasons.
You mean:
1) you've NEVER READ THE TEXT.
2) IF JERRY IS RIGHT, ALL OF YOU ARE WRONG...
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> First, we find some claims to be too technical to be easily
> discussed here.
FIRST, THERE IS NO BASIS FOR YOUR "CONCERNS," AND
YOUR OBJECTIONS ARE ONLY TO DEFEND THE ABUSERS I
CONDEMN, WHO ARE HURTING DOGS TO TRAIN THEM.
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> Secondly, we find that many of the unaddressed claims
> suffer from the same problem as those we address here-- the
> absence of independent, objective supporting evidence.
YOU MEAN INDEPENDENT, OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE FROM
PEOPLE LIKE you? All the INFORMATION is in the FREE Wits'
End Dog Training Method manual at http://www.moonsgarden.com/
READ THE TEXT, and DISPROVE IT!!!
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> Claims Regarding the WEDTM
> Claim 1: "The Wits' End Dog Training Method is the fastest,
> gentlest, most effective, comprehensive behavior
> modification/obedience and protection training technique
> available anywhere." (source: WEDTM manual)
FACT.
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> Discussion:
DISCUSSION? There has been NO DISCUSSION. OUR
respected CRITICS have NEVER READ THE TEXT, and are out
to criticize the WEDTM to PROTECT themselves from
SCRUTINY AS DOG ABUSERS.
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> The manual fails to provide a survey of other training
> methods, fails to provide data about their effectiveness, and
> fails to provide data about their efficacy (how quickly they
> work and how much they cost). Although the manual here
> makes impressive relative claims for the WEDTM, the manual
> presents no supporting data.
The FACTS ARE IN THE TEXT. You can read them for FREE.
There IS NO COMPARISON to other training methods, because
other training methods are NOT COMPARABLE.
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> Claim 2: "Our enlightened methods challenge the learning
> centers in your dog's brain. These centers develop and
> continue to grow exponentially." (source: WEDTM manual)
FACT.
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> Discussion: The manual fails to identify these putative
> "learning centers" and fails to provide growth data. Moreover,
> the manual presents this claim in the present tense with
> respect to YOUR dog. Has the author of the WEDTM seen
> YOUR dog, seen YOUR dog's brain, or used the method with
> YOUR dog?
Here we've got a professor who is TOO LAZY to read the text
he is criticizing, and his biggest argument is that the
development of higher learning and increase in intelligence
through TEACHING dogs instead of FORCING and HURTING
them, HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN.
HE would have us raise and train a few dogs, and raise and
keep a few untrained dogs, KILL THEM ALL, AND TEST THEIR
BRAINS FOR GROWTH...
That's SCIENTIFIC. That is the ONLY CRITERIA that will satisfy
our good "professor"... Maybe if dogman has a litter of puppies,
the psycho clown and him can do the work, and give the dead
dogs to our good professor to examine their brains under an
electron microscope???
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> Claim 3: "Wits' End Dog Training is easy, quick, and foolproof,
> and works with every time (sic) , with every canine, even
> wolves!" (Source: WEDTM manual)
FACT.
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> Discussion: It is hard to imagine a method whose
> effectiveness is independent of a user's intelligence or skill.
I GUESS STUPIDITY is YOUR PROBLEM> It is RAMPANT
HERE, on rpdb...OUR "experts" here ONLY KNOW HURTING
and FORCING DOGS, and FOR THAT REASON, NEED to
contradict EVERY COMPETENT TRAINER who has ever
recommended ways to train dogs WITHOUT HURTING THEM.
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> Consider something as simple as clipping nails or uncorking a
> bottle of wine. Although these tasks are simple, intelligent
> people can initially fail. But according to the WEDTM manual,
> the WEDTM is foolproof, even the first time! This claim is
> inconsistent with common experience.
That's not surprising. EVERYTHING I say about dog training is
INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU PIGS "KNOW".
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> The manual goes further, however, and claims that this
> method is foolproof even for training wolves.
FACT>
Because we DON'T FORCE and INTIMIDATE dogs, we can
train the MOST DIFFICULT, MOST *** DOGS, the ones
that would be jerked and choked UNMERCIFULLY, and
eventually made VICIOUS and UNTRUSTWORTHY because of
CONFRONTATION AND ABUSE disguised as TRAINING, and
DESTROYED by our "experts" here...
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> Consistent with these exaggerated claims is the manual's
> failure to present a disclaimer or to mention the author
> carrying liability insurance. We wonder, is the author
> prepared to indemnify
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