TATTOED NOSE : is it dangerous for a dog?

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TATTOED NOSE : is it dangerous for a dog?

Post by Zatt » Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:00:00



I have an excellent puppy of AST , 7 month old , he has only one
problem, the non-defenitely  black nose and it is a foult in the dog
show :
so vet told me that if the sun influence doesn't blacken the dog's
nose until the following 3 or 4 months, the only way to solve the
problem is to tatto it.
So I ask if it's dangerous for the health of my dog even because I
heard even an opposite version : some people say that tatto is
therapeutic , I mean that it would be a difence against the
ultraviolet sun rays, otherwise very dangerous for pink parts of dog's
nose
Thank in advance
   zatto

 
 
 

TATTOED NOSE : is it dangerous for a dog?

Post by Susan Mudgett aka little gat » Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:00:00


: I have an excellent puppy of AST , 7 month old , he has only one
: problem, the non-defenitely  black nose and it is a foult in the dog
: show :
: so vet told me that if the sun influence doesn't blacken the dog's
: nose until the following 3 or 4 months, the only way to solve the
: problem is to tatto it.

Tattooing his nose makes him ineligible for the show ring anyway, so
why not leave it the way it is?

Some people with pinknosed dogs use sunscreen to prevent burning form
the sun, but you'd have to find out which types are nontoxic to dogs.

 
 
 

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Post by Saxon Bro » Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:00:00



Quote:

>: I have an excellent puppy of AST , 7 month old , he has only one
>: problem, the non-defenitely  black nose and it is a foult in the dog
>: show :
>: so vet told me that if the sun influence doesn't blacken the dog's
>: nose until the following 3 or 4 months, the only way to solve the
>: problem is to tatto it.
>Tattooing his nose makes him ineligible for the show ring anyway, so
>why not leave it the way it is?
>Some people with pinknosed dogs use sunscreen to prevent burning form
>the sun, but you'd have to find out which types are nontoxic to dogs.

  Dogs that are shown in conformation should be nothing less than superior
examples of the breed.  That is why there are rules.  If your dog is not
up to standard, than you should not show it, and you should not breed it.

  Tattooing the nose is cheating.  Try and keep in mind the larger picture
than the DQ of your dog, and the ramifications of what you propose- Should
we hide our dogs faults so they can compete/breed?  Should dogs with
corrected defects, like a tattooed pink nose or flopped & propped GSD ears
be bred?  Should these faults be kept from potential breeders (studs &
***es) in order to sell puppies?  Of course not.  Accept that your dog
may not be able to compete, and instead do obediance and agility work,
which REALLY shows what a dog is made of.

Saxon

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TATTOED NOSE : is it dangerous for a dog?

Post by dogsnu » Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:00:00



Quote:


> : I have an excellent puppy of AST , 7 month old , he has only one
> : problem, the non-defenitely  black nose and it is a foult in the dog
> : show :
> : so vet told me that if the sun influence doesn't blacken the dog's
> : nose until the following 3 or 4 months, the only way to solve the
> : problem is to tatto it.

> Tattooing his nose makes him ineligible for the show ring anyway, so
> why not leave it the way it is?

Tatooing the correct pigment is also unethical, painful for the dog, and
if caught, you could lose your right to participate in the show ring
forever.
Terri
 
 
 

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Post by alowand.. » Tue, 11 Mar 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
>I have an excellent puppy of AST , 7 month old , he has only one
>problem, the non-defenitely  black nose and it is a foult in the dog
>show :

If you are planning to show your dog, don't tattoo the nose. It is unethical and dishonest, and grounds for suspension from most kennel clubs. ("altered in appearance.")
   If you are not going to show him, I suggest that you consult a canine dermatologist (skin specialist) about your questions. I know dogs whose noses aren't black can sunburn, but I don't know if a tattoo would protect them.

Ruth the coonergal

 
 
 

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Post by C. Jackson R. » Fri, 14 Mar 1997 04:00:00



Quote:



> > : I have an excellent puppy of AST , 7 month old , he has only one
> > : problem, the non-defenitely  black nose and it is a foult in the dog
> > : show :
> > : so vet told me that if the sun influence doesn't blacken the dog's
> > : nose until the following 3 or 4 months, the only way to solve the
> > : problem is to tatto it.

> > Tattooing his nose makes him ineligible for the show ring anyway, so
> > why not leave it the way it is?

> Tatooing the correct pigment is also unethical, painful for the dog, and
> if caught, you could lose your right to participate in the show ring
> forever.
> Terri

OUCH!
I'm not a handler or breeder but my***er will show this summer.
She has "snow" nose. My vet says this comes in the winter and goes in the
spring/summer.
She said you can blacken the nose with some "stuff". It can be washed off.
Ask some other breeders what they use.
Tattooing is a bit drastic if not downright cruel.
If you have to hurt the dog to qualify for the ring, s***the ring
and make him a pet.

C. Jackson R.N.
owned by Max the black***er
and now the lovely Demi, his sister.


 
 
 

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Post by T&L Schad » Tue, 18 Mar 1997 04:00:00




Quote:
> I have an excellent puppy of AST , 7 month old , he has only one
> problem, the non-defenitely  black nose and it is a foult in the dog
> show :
> so vet told me that if the sun influence doesn't blacken the dog's
> nose until the following 3 or 4 months, the only way to solve the
> problem is to tatto it.
> So I ask if it's dangerous for the health of my dog even because I
> heard even an opposite version : some people say that tatto is
> therapeutic , I mean that it would be a difence against the
> ultraviolet sun rays, otherwise very dangerous for pink parts of dog's
> nose
> Thank in advance
>    zatto

======================

A dog whose appearance has been cosmetically altered (tattooing the nose)
would be disqualified from a dog show. This is considered deception and is
unethical, not to mention downright inhumane to the poor dog! The dog's
nose is about the most sensitive area of its body. It would be extremely
cruel to tattoo! I'm shocked that your vet would even suggest such a thing!

Peace,
Lisa Schade

 
 
 

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Post by Susan Mudgett aka little gat » Tue, 18 Mar 1997 04:00:00


: unethical, not to mention downright inhumane to the poor dog! The dog's
: nose is about the most sensitive area of its body. It would be extremely
: cruel to tattoo! I'm shocked that your vet would even suggest such a thing!

I've read in cat magazines that white cats who are exposed to the sun
are especially likely to get skin cancer on their ears and nose. Some
vets will tattoo these areas. The pigment in the tattoo acts as a
permanent sunscreen and protects the tender skin.

 
 
 

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Post by Lisa Ocho » Tue, 18 Mar 1997 04:00:00



Quote:


>: unethical, not to mention downright inhumane to the poor dog! The dog's
>: nose is about the most sensitive area of its body. It would be extremely
>: cruel to tattoo! I'm shocked that your vet would even suggest such a thing!

>I've read in cat magazines that white cats who are exposed to the sun
>are especially likely to get skin cancer on their ears and nose. Some
>vets will tattoo these areas. The pigment in the tattoo acts as a
>permanent sunscreen and protects the tender skin.

The dog training club I belong to had a presentation on tumors and cancers
just a couple of weeks back.  The presenter was a specialist in this area.  
She said exactly the same thing, and that it's also true of light-colored,
short-haired dogs.  She did mention tattooing as a helpful measure.

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Post by Amy Hendr » Wed, 19 Mar 1997 04:00:00



: She said you can blacken the nose with some "stuff". It can be washed off.
[snip]
: If you have to hurt the dog to qualify for the ring, s***the ring
: and make him a pet.

Well, if you really want to go by the rules, if you have to *dye* a dog to
qualify for the ring, make him a pet -- the AKC really doesn't care
if you tatoo or dye the nose; either way it's changing the dog's
appearance by artificial means, and either way it's a suspension from
all privileges for anywhere from 5 years to life.

Do people do it? Of course they do. Do they get caught? Every month,
according to the secretary's page in the Gazette. More to the point,
if you have to dye the dog's nose, is it really a good show and
breeding prospect?

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Post by Elizabeth B. Nai » Wed, 19 Mar 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> problem, the non-defenitely  black nose and it is a foult in the dog
> show :
> so vet told me that if the sun influence doesn't blacken the dog's
> nose until the following 3 or 4 months, the only way to solve the
> problem is to tatto it.

If you plan to show the dog, you should wait and see if the nose does
darken naturally.  You might want to ask breeders, like your dog's
breeder or anyone else you know in that breed, if this is sometimes
self-correcting.

If it dosn't correct, then I too have heard that tattooing a pink nose
protects it from sun damage, and you would want to discuss that with
your vet.  If you tattoo the nose though you should not show the dog
in conformation, though you could still compete in obedience if I
understand the rules correctly.
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Post by Craig Maillo » Wed, 19 Mar 1997 04:00:00




Quote:

> OUCH!
> I'm not a handler or breeder but my***er will show this summer.
> She has "snow" nose. My vet says this comes in the winter and goes in the
> spring/summer.
> She said you can blacken the nose with some "stuff". It can be washed off.
> Ask some other breeders what they use.
> Tattooing is a bit drastic if not downright cruel.
> If you have to hurt the dog to qualify for the ring, s***the ring
> and make him a pet.

> C. Jackson R.N.
> owned by Max the black***er
> and now the lovely Demi, his sister.



Using "stuff", even washable stuff, which alters the natural appearance of
the dog is illegal under AKC rules--not that it doesn't happen, just check
out the grooming area & all that chalk, or the terrier rings and explain
why  the Airedales are all the same exact shades of black and red.;-)

If you alter the color of the nose, you risk being fined and having AKC
privileges revoked for a period--lifetime bans are usually for horribly
egregious offenses, like abuse, nonexistant or fraudulent record-keeping,
surgical alterations, *** of judges/officials and such-like. More
likely is that the judge will suspect the alteration and dump the dog--too
much paperwork involved in a disqualification & subsequent hearings.

The other problem with tattooing pigment is that when/if the dog is bred,
the pigment problem will likely be passed on. If by hiding a fault you
deny that it exists, it's not really fair to future generations, is it?
If I bred a ***,  and later found that the stud dog I'd bred to had had
his nose tattooed and now I had a litter of dudley/off-color noses, I
don't know what I'd do (well, I do know, but there might be impressionable
children reading) .

Karen

 
 
 

TATTOED NOSE : is it dangerous for a dog?

Post by Zatt » Thu, 20 Mar 1997 04:00:00


Quote:



>> I have an excellent puppy of AST , 7 month old , he has only one
>> problem, the non-defenitely  black nose and it is a foult in the dog
>> show :
>> so vet told me that if the sun influence doesn't blacken the dog's
>> nose until the following 3 or 4 months, the only way to solve the
>> problem is to tatto it.
>> So I ask if it's dangerous for the health of my dog even because I
>> heard even an opposite version : some people say that tatto is
>> therapeutic , I mean that it would be a difence against the
>> ultraviolet sun rays, otherwise very dangerous for pink parts of dog's
>> nose
>> Thank in advance
>>    zatto
>======================
>A dog whose appearance has been cosmetically altered (tattooing the nose)
>would be disqualified from a dog show. This is considered deception and is
>unethical, not to mention downright inhumane to the poor dog! The dog's
>nose is about the most sensitive area of its body. It would be extremely
>cruel to tattoo! I'm shocked that your vet would even suggest such a thing!
>Peace,
>Lisa Schade

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First of all I think I've been mistaken by you :
be sure I want the best for my dog and for his health!!!
They just tell me that the hot summer sunrays woul  have been
dangerous for his little pink nose skin and they also told me that
even for some labrador a particular kind of tattoo worked as well as
it was safe for him.
Of course it is marked under a complete anesthesia in order not to
make the dog suffer.
However my puppy is just 7 months and 1/2 old so I think that he can
improve  by himself at least a bit.; infact they told me until the
year there are good possibilities to turn nose black by his own.
Remember that his nose isn't dudley but just "butterfly" ,that's about
the 85% black so there's only a 15% pink.
Anyway I'm sorry  having appeared as a monster because everything I
thought about his nose was complitely for his health and not for a
personal way of hiding dog's foults,just believe me..
zatto
 
 
 

TATTOED NOSE : is it dangerous for a dog?

Post by Zatt » Thu, 20 Mar 1997 04:00:00


Quote:



>> I have an excellent puppy of AST , 7 month old , he has only one
>> problem, the non-defenitely  black nose and it is a foult in the dog
>> show :
>> so vet told me that if the sun influence doesn't blacken the dog's
>> nose until the following 3 or 4 months, the only way to solve the
>> problem is to tatto it.
>> So I ask if it's dangerous for the health of my dog even because I
>> heard even an opposite version : some people say that tatto is
>> therapeutic , I mean that it would be a difence against the
>> ultraviolet sun rays, otherwise very dangerous for pink parts of dog's
>> nose
>> Thank in advance
>>    zatto
>======================
>A dog whose appearance has been cosmetically altered (tattooing the nose)
>would be disqualified from a dog show. This is considered deception and is
>unethical, not to mention downright inhumane to the poor dog! The dog's
>nose is about the most sensitive area of its body. It would be extremely
>cruel to tattoo! I'm shocked that your vet would even suggest such a thing!
>Peace,
>Lisa Schade

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
First of all I think I've been mistaken by you :
be sure I want the best for my dog and for his health!!!
They just tell me that the hot summer sunrays woul  have been
dangerous for his little pink nose skin and they also told me that
even for some labrador a particular kind of tattoo worked as well as
it was safe for him.
Of course it is marked under a complete anesthesia in order not to
make the dog suffer.
However my puppy is just 7 months and 1/2 old so I think that he can
improve  by himself at least a bit.; infact they told me until the
year there are good possibilities to turn nose black by his own.
Remember that his nose isn't dudley but just "butterfly" ,that's about
the 85% black so there's only a 15% pink.
Anyway I'm sorry  having appeared as a monster because everything I
thought about his nose was complitely for his health and not for a
personal way of hiding dog's foults,just believe me..
zatto
 
 
 

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Post by lisa ker » Thu, 20 Mar 1997 04:00:00


|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> First of all I think I've been mistaken by you :
|> be sure I want the best for my dog and for his health!!!
|> They just tell me that the hot summer sunrays woul  have been
|> dangerous for his little pink nose skin and they also told me that
|> even for some labrador a particular kind of tattoo worked as well as
|> it was safe for him.
|> Of course it is marked under a complete anesthesia in order not to
|> make the dog suffer.

Hmmm. Never had a tattoo, have you?  ;)

The actual process of getting a tattoo is not the most pleasant
experience to most people, but the inking process is just where
the fun begins.

Basically, you've just had a million tiny little holes punched
into your skin, which equals a million little open wounds. You now
have a lovely patch of swiss cheese for skin, that must be washed
and coated with Neosporin twice daily. It is very sensitive, and
generally oozes plasma for a few days, after which you can switch to
just washing and coating the area with some type of skin lotion.

Now, that damaged skin isn't going to hold on to your body anymore,
so it's going to start peeling off like a moderate sunburn, and
you had better not pick at it! For a period of a few weeks, you
*must not* let the area be exposed to the sun for any length of
time if possible. Really, for people, it's not that bad, just kind of
icky for a about 2 weeks. It's not like what you see in the movies. You
don't get a tattoo and run out on the beach with it the same day.

For a dog, you'd still have some major discomfort afterwards, and
I don;t know how you'd be able to keep him from scratching his
nose raw. He also can't be out in the sun while it's healing, for
more than a few minutes. I assume we're talking about a fill tattoo,
which represents a large area instead of a leg or ear dot (punch)
tattoo, which is not nearly as invasive.

NOTE!!!! Tattoing is NOT going to protect your dog from a sunburn.
The ink is injected *below* the layers of skin that sunburn.
Melanin is what protects you from the burn, and adding colorant
under the skin is not going to protect the surface. You can burn
just as easily over a tattoo as anywhere else on your body.

I think you want good, old-fashioned sunblock for sensitive skin, if
your dog has need of it.