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Post by Jerry How » Wed, 22 May 2002 13:15:04



He's intelligent. He's killfiled Jerry long ago... genius that he is.
He's already told me all I got to know about him from his training
discussions with leah. He's a nitwit...but I don't know if he's an
abuser. Yet... That's HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won't
talk to Jerry, cause they can't answer my questions without
proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2,
for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE
that'll poison proof a dog?

Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into
its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that
with allelomimetic behavior?

Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog's OCD ***
habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the dog)
or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin
CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed
down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she'd been
jerking and *** him and pretending he did it to himself by accident.

Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and
ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that
caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn't
work?

Do you suppose liea's dog Cubbe will have another post
traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she
plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE?

All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling.
Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders
directly attributable to so called traditional training.

roo's dogs are aggressive and won't come when called
and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my
methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her
dog DEAD for her.

Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster
Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz,
he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert
and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold
or punish or ***their Wits' End Trained Dog.

My students get 100% total non force control in days.

Nevyn came here with 2 pbx ***es who were hurtin
each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days
flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT
PRAISE and DISTRACTION.

My methods work like MAGICK and all my students
achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they
desire.

Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs
is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD
DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts
are prima fascia evidence. My students do not
hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give
an effective correction using fear force or repression
that doesn't trigger opposition and animosity.

Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They
hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel
powerful, to compensate for their defective egos,
inferiority complexes, and weak minds.

Quote:
----- Original Message -----
From: George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D.
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:21 PM
Subject: [GVS]doggiedoright

I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" device;
he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he'll knock $25 off the
$99.95 price.

If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs
in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them - and he will
sell
it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense
at all about money.  Nice, nice man.


four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it.

Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this.

George

============



> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
> Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no
> collars.

> Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to
> come back in the yard and would run for days. The
> last time, Peach didn't come back home.

> I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to
> train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
> minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the
> yard.

> She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her
> from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we
> walk around the yard.

> I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
> e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
> then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an
> electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again.
> The price was too high:-(
> ~misty

============



> I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's not here
> with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her loss. I'm the one
> who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I
> was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have
> any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using
> it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I
> started using the e-fence...well, then my concern became how to keep
> them from running off for days on end.

> I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock
> debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

> I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits
> End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up
> stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time. IOW a great
> companion and friend.

> Thanks Jerry!

=====================


> > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth!
> > Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> > come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

> Robert Crim writes:

> I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
> I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
> of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
> posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive
> child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for
> putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile ***at
> the hands of supposedly *** dog lovers.

> The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
> idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
> we would not have had to hold the head of a really
> magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
> needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
> his last gasp.

> To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
> good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide
> behind fake names are more honest than people that use
> their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
> breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
> j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
> lived by their craft for decades.

> "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
> level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that
> people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to
> just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you
> act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don't really care.

> > And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually
> > admit to buying and having success with his little black
> > box.

> I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
> it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You
> would never believe the results, so you'll never know.

> > Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> > Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to
> > him! LOL!

> I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
> Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
> As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

> >Terri

> Yes it was, and that is sad.

> Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box
> first?)

================



> I moved to Jacksonville, Florida about a year ago with my lovely wife
< snip horror story >

> Listen to this...My wife wrote one of the so called know it all of
> pets. His response to the exact letter we initially wrote to
> Jerry..."Get rid of the dog, bring her back" I'll save this person
> embarrassment by not saying the name. However, you know who you are
> and I have this to say to you. Go pump gas or bus tables because you
> sir, do not belong working with animals!

> Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news group, I can't
> for the life of me understand why this many people are so dang blind
> or ignorant.

> You just keep plugging away at what you do, because you my friend are
> a life saver!!!

> Anytime you need someone to speak about the results of your product,
> you have my number. We would gladly talk to them.

> Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you...

> Anthony & Linda Testa
> Jacksonville, Florida

==============

From: "Regina Guerrero" <

Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:42 AM
Subject: Thank You!

I just wanted to take a bit of time
to tell you how much I appreciate your product and
your training methods as well.

When my little Chihuahua first arrived
I was overwhelmed with her anxiety and
her ability to just Bark endlessly.

I received your product and at first I thought
I was using it wrong, because my puppy just seemed to ignore it.

But after a week or two, she began to calm down considerably
as well as act more friendly towards people on the street.
I can't believe the difference I see in my little puppy. Your
product
is a life saver! Thanks again for everything.

Sincerely,
Regina Guerrero

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Quite a News Group + Here, Pull My Finger...

Post by Sue » Wed, 22 May 2002 13:23:10


Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid ***!

Quote:
> He's intelligent. He's killfiled Jerry long ago... genius that he is.
> He's already told me all I got to know about him from his training
> discussions with leah. He's a nitwit...but I don't know if he's an
> abuser. Yet... That's HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won't
> talk to Jerry, cause they can't answer my questions without
> proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2,
> for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE
> that'll poison proof a dog?

> Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into
> its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that
> with allelomimetic behavior?

> Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog's OCD ***
> habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the dog)
> or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin
> CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed
> down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she'd been
> jerking and *** him and pretending he did it to himself by accident.

> Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and
> ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that
> caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn't
> work?

> Do you suppose liea's dog Cubbe will have another post
> traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she
> plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE?

> All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling.
> Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders
> directly attributable to so called traditional training.

> roo's dogs are aggressive and won't come when called
> and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my
> methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her
> dog DEAD for her.

> Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster
> Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz,
> he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert
> and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold
> or punish or ***their Wits' End Trained Dog.

> My students get 100% total non force control in days.

> Nevyn came here with 2 pbx ***es who were hurtin
> each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days
> flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT
> PRAISE and DISTRACTION.

> My methods work like MAGICK and all my students
> achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they
> desire.

> Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs
> is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD
> DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts
> are prima fascia evidence. My students do not
> hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give
> an effective correction using fear force or repression
> that doesn't trigger opposition and animosity.

> Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They
> hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel
> powerful, to compensate for their defective egos,
> inferiority complexes, and weak minds.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D.
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:21 PM
> Subject: [GVS]doggiedoright

> I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright"
device;
> he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he'll knock $25 off the
> $99.95 price.

> If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs
> in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them - and he will
> sell
> it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense
> at all about money.  Nice, nice man.


> four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it.

> Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this.

> George

> ============



> > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
> > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no
> > collars.

> > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to
> > come back in the yard and would run for days. The
> > last time, Peach didn't come back home.

> > I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to
> > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
> > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the
> > yard.

> > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her
> > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we
> > walk around the yard.

> > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
> > e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
> > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an
> > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again.
> > The price was too high:-(
> > ~misty

> ============



> > I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's not here
> > with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her loss. I'm the one
> > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I
> > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have
> > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using
> > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I
> > started using the e-fence...well, then my concern became how to keep
> > them from running off for days on end.

> > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock
> > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

> > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits
> > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up
> > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time. IOW a great
> > companion and friend.

> > Thanks Jerry!

> =====================


> > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> > > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth!
> > > Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

> > Robert Crim writes:

> > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
> > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
> > of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
> > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive
> > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for
> > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile ***at
> > the hands of supposedly *** dog lovers.

> > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
> > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
> > we would not have had to hold the head of a really
> > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
> > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
> > his last gasp.

> > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
> > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide
> > behind fake names are more honest than people that use
> > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
> > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
> > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
> > lived by their craft for decades.

> > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
> > level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that
> > people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to
> > just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you
> > act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don't really care.

> > > And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually
> > > admit to buying and having success with his little black
> > > box.

> > I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
> > it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You
> > would never believe the results, so you'll never know.

> > > Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> > > Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to
> > > him! LOL!

> > I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
> > Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
> > As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

> > >Terri

> > Yes it was, and that is sad.

> > Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box
> > first?)

> ================



> > I moved to Jacksonville, Florida about a year ago with my lovely wife
> < snip horror story >

> > Listen to this...My wife wrote one of the so called know it all of
> > pets. His response to the exact letter we initially wrote to
> > Jerry..."Get rid of the dog, bring her back" I'll save this person
> > embarrassment by not saying the name. However, you know who you are
> > and I have this to say to you. Go pump gas or bus tables because you
> > sir, do not belong working with animals!

> > Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news group, I can't
> > for the life of me understand why this many people are so dang blind
> > or ignorant.

> > You just keep plugging away at what you do, because you my friend are
> > a life saver!!!

> > Anytime you need someone to speak about the results of your product,
> > you have my number. We would gladly talk to them.

> > Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you...

> > Anthony & Linda Testa
> > Jacksonville, Florida

> ==============

> From: "Regina Guerrero" <

> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:42 AM
> Subject: Thank You!

> I

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Quite a News Group + Here, Pull My Finger...

Post by the ce » Thu, 23 May 2002 14:30:10


Watch your crossposting!!
And your TOP POSTING!!!

And don't talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He's
the hardest working Man in the Dog Game.

--
this is michael
reporting live...
http://www.moonsgarden.com/

with guest star
Kwame Brown
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Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And
what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an
unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion
pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet,
every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in
America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they
like it or not.

WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING

this is your ceo speaking...

Quote:

> Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid ***!


> > He's intelligent. He's killfiled Jerry long ago... genius that he is.
> > He's already told me all I got to know about him from his training
> > discussions with leah. He's a nitwit...but I don't know if he's an
> > abuser. Yet... That's HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won't
> > talk to Jerry, cause they can't answer my questions without
> > proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2,
> > for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE
> > that'll poison proof a dog?

> > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into
> > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that
> > with allelomimetic behavior?

> > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog's OCD ***
> > habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the dog)
> > or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin
> > CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed
> > down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she'd been
> > jerking and *** him and pretending he did it to himself by accident.

> > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and
> > ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that
> > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn't
> > work?

> > Do you suppose liea's dog Cubbe will have another post
> > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she
> > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE?

> > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling.
> > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders
> > directly attributable to so called traditional training.

> > roo's dogs are aggressive and won't come when called
> > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my
> > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her
> > dog DEAD for her.

> > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster
> > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz,
> > he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert
> > and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold
> > or punish or ***their Wits' End Trained Dog.

> > My students get 100% total non force control in days.

> > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx ***es who were hurtin
> > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days
> > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT
> > PRAISE and DISTRACTION.

> > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students
> > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they
> > desire.

> > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs
> > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD
> > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts
> > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not
> > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give
> > an effective correction using fear force or repression
> > that doesn't trigger opposition and animosity.

> > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They
> > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel
> > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos,
> > inferiority complexes, and weak minds.

> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D.
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:21 PM
> > Subject: [GVS]doggiedoright

> > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright"
> device;
> > he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he'll knock $25 off the
> > $99.95 price.

> > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs
> > in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them - and he will
> > sell
> > it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense
> > at all about money.  Nice, nice man.


> > four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it.

> > Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this.

> > George

> > ============



> > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
> > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no
> > > collars.

> > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to
> > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The
> > > last time, Peach didn't come back home.

> > > I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to
> > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
> > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the
> > > yard.

> > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her
> > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we
> > > walk around the yard.

> > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
> > > e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
> > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an
> > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again.
> > > The price was too high:-(
> > > ~misty

> > ============



> > > I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's not here
> > > with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her loss. I'm the one
> > > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I
> > > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have
> > > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using
> > > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I
> > > started using the e-fence...well, then my concern became how to keep
> > > them from running off for days on end.

> > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock
> > > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

> > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits
> > > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up
> > > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time. IOW a great
> > > companion and friend.

> > > Thanks Jerry!

> > =====================


> > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> > > > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth!
> > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> > > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

> > > Robert Crim writes:

> > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
> > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
> > > of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
> > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive
> > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for
> > > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile ***at
> > > the hands of supposedly *** dog lovers.

> > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
> > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
> > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really
> > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
> > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
> > > his last gasp.

> > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
> > > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide
> > > behind fake names are more honest than people that use
> > > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
> > > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
> > > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
> > > lived by their craft for decades.

> > > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
> > > level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that
> > > people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to
> > > just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you
> > > act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don't really care.

> > > > And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually
> > > > admit to buying and having success with his little black
> > > > box.

> > > I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
> > > it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You
> > > would never believe the results, so you'll never know.

> > > > Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> > > > Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to
> > > > him! LOL!

> > > I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
> > > Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
> > > As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

> > > >Terri

> > > Yes it was, and that is sad.

> > > Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box
> > > first?)

> > ================

> > "Anthony Testa"

...

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Quite a News Group + Here, Pull My Finger...

Post by Jerry How » Thu, 23 May 2002 15:14:07


The dog training industry is about to come to a grinding halt...


Quote:
> Watch your crossposting!!
> And your TOP POSTING!!!

> And don't talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He's
> the hardest working Man in the Dog Game.

> --
> this is michael
> reporting live...
> http://www.moonsgarden.com/

> with guest star
> Kwame Brown
> http://www.moonsgarden.com/

> WORLD PREMIERE
> From homeless to World Famous
> Kwame Brown
> http://www.moonsgarden.com/

> Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And
> what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an
> unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion
> pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet,
> every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in
> America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they
> like it or not.

> WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING

> this is your ceo speaking...


> > Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid ***!


> > > He's intelligent. He's killfiled Jerry long ago... genius that he is.
> > > He's already told me all I got to know about him from his training
> > > discussions with leah. He's a nitwit...but I don't know if he's an
> > > abuser. Yet... That's HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won't
> > > talk to Jerry, cause they can't answer my questions without
> > > proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2,
> > > for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE
> > > that'll poison proof a dog?

> > > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into
> > > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that
> > > with allelomimetic behavior?

> > > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog's OCD ***
> > > habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the
dog)
> > > or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin
> > > CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed
> > > down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she'd been
> > > jerking and *** him and pretending he did it to himself by
accident.

> > > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and
> > > ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that
> > > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn't
> > > work?

> > > Do you suppose liea's dog Cubbe will have another post
> > > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she
> > > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE?

> > > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling.
> > > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders
> > > directly attributable to so called traditional training.

> > > roo's dogs are aggressive and won't come when called
> > > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my
> > > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her
> > > dog DEAD for her.

> > > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster
> > > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz,
> > > he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert
> > > and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold
> > > or punish or ***their Wits' End Trained Dog.

> > > My students get 100% total non force control in days.

> > > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx ***es who were hurtin
> > > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days
> > > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT
> > > PRAISE and DISTRACTION.

> > > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students
> > > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they
> > > desire.

> > > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs
> > > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD
> > > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts
> > > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not
> > > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give
> > > an effective correction using fear force or repression
> > > that doesn't trigger opposition and animosity.

> > > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They
> > > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel
> > > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos,
> > > inferiority complexes, and weak minds.

> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D.
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:21 PM
> > > Subject: [GVS]doggiedoright

> > > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright"
> > device;
> > > he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he'll knock $25 off
the
> > > $99.95 price.

> > > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the
dogs
> > > in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them - and he
will
> > > sell
> > > it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense
> > > at all about money.  Nice, nice man.


> > > four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it.

> > > Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this.

> > > George

> > > ============



> > > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
> > > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no
> > > > collars.

> > > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to
> > > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The
> > > > last time, Peach didn't come back home.

> > > > I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to
> > > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
> > > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the
> > > > yard.

> > > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her
> > > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we
> > > > walk around the yard.

> > > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
> > > > e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
> > > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an
> > > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again.
> > > > The price was too high:-(
> > > > ~misty

> > > ============



> > > > I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's not here
> > > > with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her loss. I'm the one
> > > > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I
> > > > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could
have
> > > > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started
using
> > > > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once
I
> > > > started using the e-fence...well, then my concern became how to keep
> > > > them from running off for days on end.

> > > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock
> > > > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

> > > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A
Wits
> > > > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up
> > > > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time. IOW a great
> > > > companion and friend.

> > > > Thanks Jerry!

> > > =====================


> > > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> > > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> > > > > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth!
> > > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> > > > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

> > > > Robert Crim writes:

> > > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
> > > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
> > > > of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
> > > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive
> > > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for
> > > > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile ***at
> > > > the hands of supposedly *** dog lovers.

> > > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
> > > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
> > > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really
> > > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
> > > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
> > > > his last gasp.

> > > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
> > > > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide
> > > > behind fake names are more honest than people that use
> > > > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
> > > > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
> > > > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
> > > > lived by their craft for decades.

> > > > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
> > > > level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that
> > > > people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to
> > > > just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you
> > > > act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don't really care.

> > > > > And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually
> > > > > admit to buying and having success with his little black
> > > > > box.

> > > > I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
> > > > it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You
> > > > would never

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Quite a News Group + Here, Pull My Finger...

Post by edwilliams REMOV » Sat, 01 Jun 2002 17:46:02


Quote:

> The dog training industry is about to come to a grinding halt...



> > Watch your crossposting!!
> > And your TOP POSTING!!!

> > And don't talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He's
> > the hardest working Man in the Dog Game.

> > --
> > this is michael
> > reporting live...
> > http://www.moonsgarden.com/

> > with guest star
> > Kwame Brown
> > http://www.moonsgarden.com/

> > WORLD PREMIERE
> > From homeless to World Famous
> > Kwame Brown
> > http://www.moonsgarden.com/

> > Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And
> > what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an
> > unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion
> > pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet,
> > every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in
> > America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they
> > like it or not.

> > WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING

> > this is your ceo speaking...


> > > Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid ***!


> > > > He's intelligent. He's killfiled Jerry long ago... genius that he is.
> > > > He's already told me all I got to know about him from his training
> > > > discussions with leah. He's a nitwit...but I don't know if he's an
> > > > abuser. Yet... That's HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won't
> > > > talk to Jerry, cause they can't answer my questions without
> > > > proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2,
> > > > for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE
> > > > that'll poison proof a dog?

> > > > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into
> > > > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that
> > > > with allelomimetic behavior?

> > > > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog's OCD ***
> > > > habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the
> dog)
> > > > or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin
> > > > CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed
> > > > down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she'd been
> > > > jerking and *** him and pretending he did it to himself by
> accident.

> > > > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and
> > > > ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that
> > > > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn't
> > > > work?

> > > > Do you suppose liea's dog Cubbe will have another post
> > > > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she
> > > > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE?

> > > > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling.
> > > > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders
> > > > directly attributable to so called traditional training.

> > > > roo's dogs are aggressive and won't come when called
> > > > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my
> > > > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her
> > > > dog DEAD for her.

> > > > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster
> > > > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz,
> > > > he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert
> > > > and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold
> > > > or punish or ***their Wits' End Trained Dog.

> > > > My students get 100% total non force control in days.

> > > > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx ***es who were hurtin
> > > > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days
> > > > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT
> > > > PRAISE and DISTRACTION.

> > > > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students
> > > > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they
> > > > desire.

> > > > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs
> > > > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD
> > > > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts
> > > > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not
> > > > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give
> > > > an effective correction using fear force or repression
> > > > that doesn't trigger opposition and animosity.

> > > > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They
> > > > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel
> > > > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos,
> > > > inferiority complexes, and weak minds.

> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D.
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:21 PM
> > > > Subject: [GVS]doggiedoright

> > > > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright"
> > > device;
> > > > he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he'll knock $25 off
> the
> > > > $99.95 price.

> > > > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the
> dogs
> > > > in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them - and he
> will
> > > > sell
> > > > it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense
> > > > at all about money.  Nice, nice man.


> > > > four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it.

> > > > Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this.

> > > > George

> > > > ============



> > > > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
> > > > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no
> > > > > collars.

> > > > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to
> > > > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The
> > > > > last time, Peach didn't come back home.

> > > > > I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to
> > > > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
> > > > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the
> > > > > yard.

> > > > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her
> > > > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we
> > > > > walk around the yard.

> > > > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
> > > > > e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
> > > > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an
> > > > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again.
> > > > > The price was too high:-(
> > > > > ~misty

> > > > ============



> > > > > I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's not here
> > > > > with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her loss. I'm the one
> > > > > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I
> > > > > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could
> have
> > > > > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started
> using
> > > > > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once
> I
> > > > > started using the e-fence...well, then my concern became how to keep
> > > > > them from running off for days on end.

> > > > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock
> > > > > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

> > > > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A
> Wits
> > > > > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up
> > > > > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time. IOW a great
> > > > > companion and friend.

> > > > > Thanks Jerry!

> > > > =====================


> > > > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> > > > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> > > > > > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth!
> > > > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> > > > > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

> > > > > Robert Crim writes:

> > > > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
> > > > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
> > > > > of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
> > > > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive
> > > > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for
> > > > > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile ***at
> > > > > the hands of supposedly *** dog lovers.

> > > > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
> > > > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
> > > > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really
> > > > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
> > > > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
> > > > > his last gasp.

> > > > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
> > > > > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide
> > > > > behind fake names are more honest than people that use
> > > > > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
> > > > > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
> > > > > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
> > > > > lived by their craft for decades.

> > > > > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
> > > > > level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that
> > > > > people like Jerry Howe and

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Quite a News Group + Here, Pull My Finger...

Post by G Griffet » Sun, 02 Jun 2002 00:55:48




Quote:

>> The dog training industry is about to come to a grinding halt...



>> > Watch your crossposting!!
>> > And your TOP POSTING!!!

>> > And don't talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He's
>> > the hardest working Man in the Dog Game.

>> > --
>> > this is michael
>> > reporting live...
>> > http://www.moonsgarden.com/

>> > with guest star
>> > Kwame Brown
>> > http://www.moonsgarden.com/

>> > WORLD PREMIERE
>> > From homeless to World Famous
>> > Kwame Brown
>> > http://www.moonsgarden.com/

>> > Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And
>> > what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an
>> > unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion
>> > pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, every
>> > behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in America and the
>> > world at large as we know it. Whether they like it or not.

>> > WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING

>> > this is your ceo speaking...


>> > > Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid


>> > > > He's intelligent. He's killfiled Jerry long ago... genius that
>> > > > he is. He's already told me all I got to know about him from his
>> > > > training discussions with leah. He's a nitwit...but I don't know
>> > > > if he's an abuser. Yet... That's HOWE COME many of our dog
>> > > > lovers won't talk to Jerry, cause they can't answer my questions
>> > > > without proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like
>> > > > tara.green2, for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command,
>> > > > and HOWE that'll poison proof a dog?

>> > > > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into
>> > > > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that
>> > > > with allelomimetic behavior?

>> > > > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog's OCD
>> > > > *** habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his
>> > > > behaviors (and not the dog) or is it a case of allelomimetic
>> > > > behavior? Like when professora "chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't
>> > > > mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed down her goddamned
>> > > > throat when her dog discovered that she'd been jerking and
>> > > > *** him and pretending he did it to himself by accident.

>> > > > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing"
>> > > > and ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that
>> > > > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn't
>> > > > work?

>> > > > Do you suppose liea's dog Cubbe will have another post
>> > > > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she
>> > > > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE?

>> > > > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling.
>> > > > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders
>> > > > directly attributable to so called traditional training.

>> > > > roo's dogs are aggressive and won't come when called
>> > > > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my
>> > > > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her
>> > > > dog DEAD for her.

>> > > > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster
>> > > > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, he studied
>> > > > my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert and his Mrs. have
>> > > > NEVER needed to physically scold or punish or ***their Wits'
>> > > > End Trained Dog.

>> > > > My students get 100% total non force control in days.

>> > > > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx ***es who were hurtin
>> > > > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days
>> > > > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT
>> > > > PRAISE and DISTRACTION.

>> > > > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students
>> > > > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they desire.

>> > > > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs
>> > > > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD
>> > > > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts
>> > > > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not
>> > > > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give
>> > > > an effective correction using fear force or repression
>> > > > that doesn't trigger opposition and animosity.

>> > > > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They
>> > > > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel
>> > > > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, inferiority
>> > > > complexes, and weak minds.

>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D.
>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:21 PM
>> > > > Subject: [GVS]doggiedoright

>> > > > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the
>> > > > "doggiedoright" device; he told me that if you tell him that I
>> > > > sent you he'll knock $25 off the $99.95 price.

>> > > > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to
>> > > > quieten the dogs in the neighborhood then this is an ideal
>> > > > present for them - and he will sell it at a discount.  He sounds
>> > > > like someone we all know who has no sense at all about money.
>> > > > Nice, nice man.


>> > > > now have four locations at which the thing has worked, so I
>> > > > recommend it.

>> > > > Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this.

>> > > > George

>> > > > ============



>> > > > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
>> > > > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.

>> > > > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to
>> > > > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The last time,
>> > > > > Peach didn't come back home.

>> > > > > I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to
>> > > > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
>> > > > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.

>> > > > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her
>> > > > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk
>> > > > > around the yard.

>> > > > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
>> > > > > e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
>> > > > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an
>> > > > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again.
>> > > > > The price was too high:-( ~misty

>> > > > ============



>> > > > > I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
>> > > > > not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
>> > > > > loss. I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of
>> > > > > how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that
>> > > > > my using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not
>> > > > > wanting to stay home. Up until I started using it my main
>> > > > > concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I
>> > > > > started using the e-fence...well, then my concern became how
>> > > > > to keep them from running off for days on end.

>> > > > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the
>> > > > > anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

>> > > > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g>
>> > > > > A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
>> > > > > doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
>> > > > > the time. IOW a great companion and friend.

>> > > > > Thanks Jerry!

>> > > > =====================


>> > > > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
>> > > > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
>> > > > > > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth!
>> > > > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs come
>> > > > > > forward and actually believe in his training manual.

>> > > > > Robert Crim writes:

>> > > > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
>> > > > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
>> > > > > of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
>> > > > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive
>> > > > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn
>> > > > > for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile
>> > > > > ***at the hands of supposedly *** dog lovers.

>> > > > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
>> > > > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
>> > > > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really
>> > > > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
>> > > > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped his last
>> > > > > gasp.

>> > > > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
>> > > > > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide
>> > > > > behind fake names are more honest than people that use
>> > > > > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
>> > > > > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,

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Quite a News Group + Here, Pull My Finger...

Post by the ce » Sun, 02 Jun 2002 07:02:29


Thank you for snipping your post and for not top posting.
What's not true?
Quote:


> > The dog training industry is about to come to a grinding halt...



> > > Watch your crossposting!!
> > > And your TOP POSTING!!!

> > > And don't talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He's
> > > the hardest working Man in the Dog Game.

> > > --
> > > this is michael
> > > reporting live...
> > > http://www.moonsgarden.com/

> > > with guest star
> > > Kwame Brown
> > > http://www.moonsgarden.com/

> > > WORLD PREMIERE
> > > From homeless to World Famous
> > > Kwame Brown
> > > http://www.moonsgarden.com/

> > > Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And
> > > what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an
> > > unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion
> > > pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet,
> > > every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in
> > > America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they
> > > like it or not.

> > > WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING

> > > this is your ceo speaking...


> > > > Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid ***!


> > > > > He's intelligent. He's killfiled Jerry long ago... genius that he is.
> > > > > He's already told me all I got to know about him from his training
> > > > > discussions with leah. He's a nitwit...but I don't know if he's an
> > > > > abuser. Yet... That's HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won't
> > > > > talk to Jerry, cause they can't answer my questions without
> > > > > proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2,
> > > > > for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE
> > > > > that'll poison proof a dog?

> > > > > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into
> > > > > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that
> > > > > with allelomimetic behavior?

> > > > > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog's OCD ***
> > > > > habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the
> > dog)
> > > > > or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin
> > > > > CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed
> > > > > down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she'd been
> > > > > jerking and *** him and pretending he did it to himself by
> > accident.

> > > > > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and
> > > > > ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that
> > > > > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn't
> > > > > work?

> > > > > Do you suppose liea's dog Cubbe will have another post
> > > > > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she
> > > > > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE?

> > > > > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling.
> > > > > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders
> > > > > directly attributable to so called traditional training.

> > > > > roo's dogs are aggressive and won't come when called
> > > > > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my
> > > > > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her
> > > > > dog DEAD for her.

> > > > > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster
> > > > > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz,
> > > > > he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert
> > > > > and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold
> > > > > or punish or ***their Wits' End Trained Dog.

> > > > > My students get 100% total non force control in days.

> > > > > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx ***es who were hurtin
> > > > > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days
> > > > > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT
> > > > > PRAISE and DISTRACTION.

> > > > > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students
> > > > > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they
> > > > > desire.

> > > > > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs
> > > > > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD
> > > > > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts
> > > > > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not
> > > > > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give
> > > > > an effective correction using fear force or repression
> > > > > that doesn't trigger opposition and animosity.

> > > > > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They
> > > > > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel
> > > > > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos,
> > > > > inferiority complexes, and weak minds.

> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D.
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:21 PM
> > > > > Subject: [GVS]doggiedoright

> > > > > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright"
> > > > device;
> > > > > he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he'll knock $25 off
> > the
> > > > > $99.95 price.

> > > > > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the
> > dogs
> > > > > in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them - and he
> > will
> > > > > sell
> > > > > it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense
> > > > > at all about money.  Nice, nice man.


> > > > > four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it.

> > > > > Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this.

> > > > > George

> > > > > ============



> > > > > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
> > > > > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no
> > > > > > collars.

> > > > > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to
> > > > > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The
> > > > > > last time, Peach didn't come back home.

> > > > > > I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to
> > > > > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
> > > > > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the
> > > > > > yard.

> > > > > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her
> > > > > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we
> > > > > > walk around the yard.

> > > > > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
> > > > > > e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
> > > > > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an
> > > > > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again.
> > > > > > The price was too high:-(
> > > > > > ~misty

> > > > > ============



> > > > > > I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's not here
> > > > > > with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her loss. I'm the one
> > > > > > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I
> > > > > > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could
> > have
> > > > > > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started
> > using
> > > > > > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once
> > I
> > > > > > started using the e-fence...well, then my concern became how to keep
> > > > > > them from running off for days on end.

> > > > > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock
> > > > > > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

> > > > > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A
> > Wits
> > > > > > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up
> > > > > > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time. IOW a great
> > > > > > companion and friend.

> > > > > > Thanks Jerry!

> > > > > =====================


> > > > > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> > > > > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> > > > > > > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth!
> > > > > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> > > > > > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

> > > > > > Robert Crim writes:

> > > > > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
> > > > > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
> > > > > > of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
> > > > > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive
> > > > > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for
> > > > > > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile ***at
> > > > > > the hands of supposedly *** dog lovers.

> > > > > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
> > > > > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
> > > > > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really
> > > > > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
> > > > > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
> > > > > > his last gasp.

> > > > > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
> > > > > > good behavior.

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Quite a News Group + Here, Pull My Finger...

Post by A4Arti » Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:03:23


Ed,
I dont mean to be rude to you, but perhaps in the future you can snip the
extrordinarily long rant of Jerry and his alter-ego Mike to make your
statement.
First I have them blocked so I dont have to read their crap.
Then you quote every single line of text to simply make the statement
"not true".

How this is relating to rescue is unknown... Please refrain from doing this in
the future. Thank you
Amy