Anyone know anything about BarkBusters ?

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Anyone know anything about BarkBusters ?

Post by A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Fee » Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:42:57



Hello buzzsaw,

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> Had to repost because I think I may of triggered
> some killfiles, please read and advise !

Of course, that's because you mentioned "The UNMENTIONABLE
WON" in your first post. I had to search through Google to
find your original post and there it was. No wonder you got

your post was overlooked because of the company you keep!

Best not to mention him EVER or you'll be BANNED!

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> They are the largest home dog training "company"
> in the nation - with a lifetime guarantee. Where
> after the initial visit they will come out for
> free if you need any further assistance.

Training dogs is a lotta work. You just graduated
beginner's obedience classes, didn't you, buzzsaw?

Imagine the nerve of "The UNMENTIONABLE WON" trying
to GIVE AWAY a FREE manual that he sez will train
ALL dogs nearly instantly and all those FORGED
testimonials and his sock puppets telling fantastic
stories about IMPOSSIBLE feats of his "free" dog
training methods.

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> With a different trainer in each area (obvisouly).

Training dogs is a physical skill, like dancin.
You can't learn it from a BOOK.

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> Their website is http://www.moonsgarden.com/.

There's NO INFORMATION there AT ALL! It's TOTALLY
DEVOID of ANYTHING MEANINGFUL! Even their "courses"
and guarantees are contradictory.

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> I called, and it is $450 for a 2 hour in home training.

Training dogs AIN'T like it was in granpa's day
when we poor uneducated shepherd's were born in
the fields like spring lambs and learned the trade
at the heel of our fathers.

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>   I called and asked and talked to my local trainer
>   and he sounded good, it was all positive training -

Yeah. That's the ONLY way to train working dogs
in the field. They're too far away to offer treats
or bribes rewards and punishment. Like us shepherds,
the dogs learn at the heel of their parents with a
little distraction and praise, when necessary. That's
what this sling shot is for. When a dog becomes too
aggressive with our beloved sheep we just toss a stone
nearby and INSTANTLY praise the dog when the rock hits
the ground and wait till he resumes his aggression and
sling another stone to the opposite side and instantly
praise that brief disctraction and the dogs just focus
back on their job and that's all there is to it
so long as we continue praising. We've got
whistles that tell the dog they're doin good
if they're too far away to speak or sing to.

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>  and he said after he showed me how to act like
>  a leader dog to my dog, I could fix all of my
>  dog's "problems".

Yeah, dogs revere strong leadership. Like
people, that's what put Hitler in power.

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> With the dog also looking  to me for
> attention instead of the other dogs,
>  squirells, etc.  This just seems so basic.

Yeah, that sounds like the Alph Method that wolves
employ. I've got six collies and usually work two
or three during each shift (I could REALLY uses two
more but they're a lot of work just to feed!) and of
course a pair of Commodore's to fend off the wolves.

The Alpha Method works to our advantage, because
every spring the young wolves usually kill off
one or two of the older wolves to get their share
of the breeding rights. The constant competition
within their packs are bad for them, good for us!

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> What do they know that we don't ?

They know how to SELL training lessons. All
you'd have to do is spend a day watching my
dogs work and you'd have all the information
you need to train your own dog to herd sheep.

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> I know he told me it is the sound of a leadcollar
> (***chain) that will correct the dog,

Yeah, that'll make training very difficult. Out
here in the pastures the dogs NEVER see a leash
or collar. They get all their directions through
praise and occasional distraction and praise and
of course, watchin the older dogs work, a benefit
the foolish wolfs disadvantage themselves of every
spring. Too bad for them, GOOD FOR US!

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> not the collar (and never use a pinch or e collar),

Of course not, they'd think is was momma wolf
throwing them into an alpha roll to show ***.
That only works for the younger pups. When they
turn nine months or so, IT'S SPRING and they
*** their elders if they can or run off
and form their own packs.  Of course, some
times the elders *** the young'uns too, so
TOO BAD for THEM, GOOD FOR US!!!

Either way, WE WIN. But I still need a couple
good Commodores to mingle with the sheep to
keep them safe.

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>  how is this possible !?!

The secret is to give the dog a few good
chokes and condition him to the sound of
the chain sliding and the dog thinks momma
wolf is about to snap his neck again and
they back down and do as they're told or
else you grab them by the throat and
demonstrate the consequences for challenging
the alpha.

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> My dog is always taking off.

I got one lame lazy dog I kinda wish she'd
take off too. Maybe they'll meet up and we'll
both be rid of their malingering!

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>  He told me the dog aggression could not always be cured

Oh, that's because of the alpha method. We NEVER
have aggressive dogs here in the field, that would
be contrawise to effective pack / herding work.

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> but the deal is to get the dog interested in me -

We praise and sing "Girl From Ipenema" to our
working dogs, it makes them feel good. Sometimes
this feller named David comes around carrying a
HUGE harp and plays music all day for us. Don't
know where he comes from or where he goes, but
it's alway nice listening to his music and songs.
The dogs just LOVE it. Hard to keep them working!

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> this seems so basic -

Of course!

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>  what would he actual show me?

He'll probably teach you some song and dance lessons.

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> I told him I was doing NILIF and he said good.

Yeah, that'll make the dog work so long as
you can put him back in a box when necessary.
Out here in the fields we don't have that luxury,
we're lucky enough to have cell phones and laptops.
Sure ain't like it was in granpa's days!

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> So pack leadership is a BIG part of this.

Yeah, David was singin about that last week!

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>  They don't use treats but to communicate like a dog.

You mean they growl at them like a mommy or daddy wolf.
At least for the first nine months or so...then, IT'S SPRING!
And there's usually one less elder wolf to worry about
leadin the pack into the Commodores instead of the sheep
and I'd lose the whole shootin match.

Lucky thing it takes them a few years to
figgure out how to work the dogs like that,
but they seldom live that long under the
laws of the wolf pack. Too bad for them, GOOD FOR US!

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>  I know the basics - don't say "no" as you use
> that word in daily speech around a dog (no to
> a person, "notebook", etc.)

We NEVER tell our dogs "NO", that'll make
them oppositional and anxious and they'd
need to be locked in a box for a while.

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> but to say "bahhhhaaa".

Yeah? He knows sheep, eh? Better be careful
how you enounciate your Baaahaaahaahahahaahaaa's,
you might unintentinally offend a sheep or two!

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> And to never say the dog's name with "bahhhha".

Right, he'd think there was a sheep with
the same name and would probably get jealous
and attack the sheep.

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>   Dog's name only with good.

Hmmm, that's curious. We only use the
dog's name with come or go and instantly
praise the command, not the action, and
the dog will do it as asked so long as
we continue with prolonged praise, like
that giant harp David plays for us now
an again.

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>  That is basic - I understand.

You mean, never use the dog's name when
you're punishing him? We don't have that
luxury here in the field. We COULD sling
a rock or two at the dogs but that might
not be a wise idea if we need him to work.

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> But the secret must be out there.

There's no secret, buzzsaw. We get the dogs
to naturally want to do any thing we ask by
just praising, demonstrating and naming the action and
praising and praising and praising or if the
dog makes a mistake, a brief, variably alternating  non physical
distraction and lots more praise and the dogs
will do ANY THING, even attack the wolve if
necessary.

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> Anyone try them or know anything about their methods?

Granpa was tellin us about a pasture way up north
he worked when he was a kid that had a pack of
wolves led by a very old wise one who never got
involved with the alpha *** disputes.

He'd let the cubs *** each other off and he'd make the ladies while
the kids was fighting each other for their turn then he'd let them have
at his stable after he was done with them, just like a big city pimp.

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>  My local trainer was sent to Colorado with a
> problem dog from this area for his (the trainer's)
> training and that is how he learned and now makes
> his living with being the areas "bark buster".

Sounds like he doesn't have to live with the dogs
he trains. Perhaps he'd do better to spend a day
watchin them wolves in the hills in the spring.

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>  I just think for the 2 1/2 hours he says that my
> dog will make me say "is that my dog?" from what
> he shows me,

We train our dogs to come in about ten minutes.
It's about the easiest command to train, because
the dog ALWAYS WANTS to come to be with us. Maybe
that's because they know they won't be runnin
sheep while layin at his master's feet.

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> I should be able to find more and do it on my own.

You could watch me work the sheep dogs. If they
don't come instantly, I just repeat the request
and use a brief variably alternating non physical
distraction on the word come and the dog just does
it and never forgets after just a few tries.

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> But I am serious about what anyone else
> knows about their deal !

What deal? Didn't you say he couldn't guarantee
he could break aggression problems? All aggression
is fear, that's why them silly wolves fight it out
most every mealtime and to the death every spring.

I just found this on the net lookin for dogs
who run away and are aggressive. Sounds a lot
like them silly wolves in the spring:

HOWEDY People,

Does anyWON care to offer a second opinion / DIE-AGNOSIS?
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Post by John Do » Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:47:41


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> Hello buzzsaw,


>> Had to repost because I think I may of triggered
>> some killfiles, please read and advise !

> Of course, that's because you mentioned "The UNMENTIONABLE
> WON" in your first post. I had to search through Google to
> find your original post and there it was. No wonder you got
> no replies! I've got that  $$ HOWEL in my killfilter and
> your post was overlooked because of the company you keep!

> Best not to mention him EVER or you'll be BANNED!

>> They are the largest home dog training "company"
>> in the nation - with a lifetime guarantee. Where
>> after the initial visit they will come out for
>> free if you need any further assistance.

> Training dogs is a lotta work. You just graduated
> beginner's obedience classes, didn't you, buzzsaw?

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