What's your favorite easy-grow CUTTING rose?

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What's your favorite easy-grow CUTTING rose?

Post by Michae » Mon, 21 May 2001 14:20:45



I would really appreciate suggestions from you rosarians who have found some
excellent cutting roses that survive without spraying.

I grow a few roses and succeed mainly by planting the easy types--Rugosas,
Chinas, Gallica's, Dortmund, William Baffin, Westerland, Lady Banks,
Sunsprite, Europeana, Ballerina, Buff Beauty, Don Juan, Altissimo, a couple
of Austins, a few more.

My yard looks good, but most of my roses have short stems or don't last long
when cut. I would like to grow some more roses suitable for cutting, with
longer stems and long-lasting in the vase. Are there any hybrid teas that
will flourish without spraying? What are the heavy bloomers? I am just
totally ignorant about Hybrid Teas. I prefer those on their own roots when
that is a option.

I live in C***te, NC, officially zone seven, but now seems to be zone 8.
Biggest problem around here is blackspot.

Looking forward to your posts.

 
 
 

What's your favorite easy-grow CUTTING rose?

Post by Unit » Mon, 21 May 2001 15:29:32


On Sun, 20 May 2001 05:20:45 GMT, "Michael"

Quote:

>I would really appreciate suggestions from you rosarians who have found some
>excellent cutting roses that survive without spraying.

>I grow a few roses and succeed mainly by planting the easy types--Rugosas,
>Chinas, Gallica's, Dortmund, William Baffin, Westerland, Lady Banks,
>Sunsprite, Europeana, Ballerina, Buff Beauty, Don Juan, Altissimo, a couple
>of Austins, a few more.

>My yard looks good, but most of my roses have short stems or don't last long
>when cut. I would like to grow some more roses suitable for cutting, with
>longer stems and long-lasting in the vase. Are there any hybrid teas that
>will flourish without spraying? What are the heavy bloomers? I am just
>totally ignorant about Hybrid Teas. I prefer those on their own roots when
>that is a option.

>I live in C***te, NC, officially zone seven, but now seems to be zone 8.
>Biggest problem around here is blackspot.

>Looking forward to your posts.

Hi Michael.

The rose known all over the world for having long, strong stems, an
upright growing habit,  and being very prolific and rather disease
resistant is certainly Mr. Lincoln.  (I am also in zone 7, in
Raleigh.)  I have grown this rose for a few years. As far as spraying
and Hybrid Teas, where we live, I'm afraid you just have to spray for
fungal diseases every 7-10 days, and for insects as needed. Anyone who
tells you not to or that you don't have to lives somewhere icky like
New Mexico or California. ;)

In addition to Mr. Lincoln, I find that Granada is an amazingly
prolific and healthy HT in my garden. Gorgeous form, wonderful
fragrance, and amazing color (yellow bicolor, mostly cerise and
butterscotch here.) Then there is Gold Medal, another fragrant HT,
yellow with petal edges brushed with rose. In their first years these
roses had flimsy stems, but after three years in the ground with good
sun, lots of water, and regular feeding they have long, straight,
wonderful stems and robust basal shoots. But if I stop spraying for
fungus, they are all a mess. However, I love the form of HTs, so it is
worth it for me. (I do grow OGRs, as well, and like them, too.)

Don't you just love Don Juan? Mine are huge this year and have very
long, strong, straight stems for the first time. I think it is the
Scott's rose food.

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Post by CClay510 » Mon, 21 May 2001 15:42:07


Headlights

Is the Don Juan a common type rose and will it grow in Texas??

Thanks.

Clarence

 
 
 

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Post by Unit » Tue, 22 May 2001 01:06:19



Quote:
>Headlights

>Is the Don Juan a common type rose and will it grow in Texas??

>Thanks.

>Clarence

Hi Clarence! Texas gets so much hotter than it does here, I am not
sure. Don Juan is quite common, Jackson and Perkins sells it. It is a
deep, lovely red that stays true (does not turn purply like others)
but reds are worse about burning in the heat than lighter roses, so
Don Juan may not be your best choice. I would still try it, though.
What a rose! Maybe plant it where it gets afternoon sun, but filtered
light in the morning. If you have a local rose society, you may want
to contact them to ask what grows well there. Also, your county
probably has an agricultural extension program that has a website that
discusses growing conditions where you are.
 
 
 

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Post by StPatric » Tue, 22 May 2001 15:35:03


Hello Headlights! I live in Houston & have had a Climbing Don Juan growing
quite happily in progressively larger containers for 5 years. It is also in
the middle of a full, all day sun backyard & just blooms away all year long.
It has the occassional black spot on one or two leaves, but I just remove
the bad leaves & everthing's fine. Another great rose for the heat &
humidity is "Belinda's Dream". Gorgeous, HUGE pink blooms, STRONG fragrance
& a prolific, repeat bloomer. AND I've never had black spot on it!


Quote:

> >Headlights

> >Is the Don Juan a common type rose and will it grow in Texas??

> >Thanks.

> >Clarence

> Hi Clarence! Texas gets so much hotter than it does here, I am not
> sure. Don Juan is quite common, Jackson and Perkins sells it. It is a
> deep, lovely red that stays true (does not turn purply like others)
> but reds are worse about burning in the heat than lighter roses, so
> Don Juan may not be your best choice. I would still try it, though.
> What a rose! Maybe plant it where it gets afternoon sun, but filtered
> light in the morning. If you have a local rose society, you may want
> to contact them to ask what grows well there. Also, your county
> probably has an agricultural extension program that has a website that
> discusses growing conditions where you are.

 
 
 

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Post by Unit » Wed, 23 May 2001 05:55:49


Quote:

>Hello Headlights! I live in Houston & have had a Climbing Don Juan growing
>quite happily in progressively larger containers for 5 years. It is also in
>the middle of a full, all day sun backyard & just blooms away all year long.

great to know! Tell me,do you ever have a problem with the petal edges
burning a bit in the hot sun?

Quote:
>It has the occassional black spot on one or two leaves, but I just remove
>the bad leaves & everthing's fine.

Do you find that you still have to use a fungicide, though? I know
Houston's humidity is pretty heavy.

Quote:
>Another great rose for the heat &
>humidity is "Belinda's Dream". Gorgeous, HUGE pink blooms, STRONG fragrance

I love fragrant roses. This is an hybrid tea?

Quote:
>& a prolific, repeat bloomer. AND I've never had black spot on it!

Quite amazing.

Quote:
>Definitely one to recommend! Peggy.

Thanks.



Quote:

> >Headlights

> >Is the Don Juan a common type rose and will it grow in Texas??

> >Thanks.

> >Clarence

> Hi Clarence! Texas gets so much hotter than it does here, I am not
> sure. Don Juan is quite common, Jackson and Perkins sells it. It is a
> deep, lovely red that stays true (does not turn purply like others)
> but reds are worse about burning in the heat than lighter roses, so
> Don Juan may not be your best choice. I would still try it, though.
> What a rose! Maybe plant it where it gets afternoon sun, but filtered
> light in the morning. If you have a local rose society, you may want
> to contact them to ask what grows well there. Also, your county
> probably has an agricultural extension program that has a website that
> discusses growing conditions where you are.

 
 
 

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Post by Angeliqu » Wed, 23 May 2001 11:33:46


Dear Clarence,
Don Juan is a dark red climber and I have 3 of them here in DFW,
Texas.  I got mine at Home Depot if I remember correctly. Blessed Be,
Angelique


Quote:
>Headlights

>Is the Don Juan a common type rose and will it grow in Texas??

>Thanks.

>Clarence

 
 
 

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Post by StPatric » Wed, 23 May 2001 13:30:56


Hello Unit/headlights/fellow rosarian : )  To answer your questions, in
order of appearence:1)The only time the edges get"burnt" is when the bloom
has darkened & is ready to fall off, anyway.2)As for the fungicide, I don't
use ANY " 'cides"-no pesticides because I have a yard full of butterflies,
birds & etc. ( and I'm going to eat some of the stuff I have growing !) & no
fungicides because I'd never be able to stop. Besides, I'm still not too
sure they don't harm the plant. If "leaf ripping" isn't practical  (like the
entire plant got infected over night), I dissolve one or two tsp. of baking
soda in a little hot water & then fill to 2 gal. Pour all over everything
infected. It's best if you have a "chemical-type" sprayer, but I don't
(yet). I've also seen recipes where you put a tbsp. of molasses in the water
(the sulphur is a natural fungicide) &/or insecticidal soap for adhesion.
And finally, to 3). Belinda's Dream is a shrub rose. For a full description
& 2 photos, go to : www.timelessroses.com/BelindasDream.htm  I can vouch for
every claim made on the page. If I'd known how great it is, I would have
bought more than just one (esp. since it was fall clearence at 4.50!). I
hope that covered everything! Peggy.

Quote:

> >Hello Headlights! I live in Houston & have had a Climbing Don Juan
growing
> >quite happily in progressively larger containers for 5 years. It is also
in
> >the middle of a full, all day sun backyard & just blooms away all year
long.

> great to know! Tell me,do you ever have a problem with the petal edges
> burning a bit in the hot sun?

> >It has the occassional black spot on one or two leaves, but I just remove
> >the bad leaves & everthing's fine.

> Do you find that you still have to use a fungicide, though? I know
> Houston's humidity is pretty heavy.

> >Another great rose for the heat &
> >humidity is "Belinda's Dream". Gorgeous, HUGE pink blooms, STRONG
fragrance

> I love fragrant roses. This is an hybrid tea?

> >& a prolific, repeat bloomer. AND I've never had black spot on it!

> Quite amazing.

> >Definitely one to recommend! Peggy.

> Thanks.





> > >Headlights

> > >Is the Don Juan a common type rose and will it grow in Texas??

> > >Thanks.

> > >Clarence

> > Hi Clarence! Texas gets so much hotter than it does here, I am not
> > sure. Don Juan is quite common, Jackson and Perkins sells it. It is a
> > deep, lovely red that stays true (does not turn purply like others)
> > but reds are worse about burning in the heat than lighter roses, so
> > Don Juan may not be your best choice. I would still try it, though.
> > What a rose! Maybe plant it where it gets afternoon sun, but filtered
> > light in the morning. If you have a local rose society, you may want
> > to contact them to ask what grows well there. Also, your county
> > probably has an agricultural extension program that has a website that
> > discusses growing conditions where you are.

 
 
 

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Post by Unit » Thu, 24 May 2001 01:59:30




Quote:
>Hello Unit/headlights/fellow rosarian : )

Hi!

Quote:
>To answer your questions, in
>order of appearence:1)The only time the edges get"burnt" is when the bloom
>has darkened & is ready to fall off, anyway.

Hmm, so I wonder why I have a problem with this during very hot times.
Is your DJ in full sun?

Quote:
>2)As for the fungicide, I don't
>use ANY " 'cides"-no pesticides because I have a yard full of butterflies,
>birds & etc. ( and I'm going to eat some of the stuff I have growing !) & no
>fungicides because I'd never be able to stop.

This is great. (sigh.) I keep trying it, but around about the time
when the mildew, bs, and bugs come out in force, I go for the
chemicals. I do try to keep it to a minimum, though, for the same
reasons you don't use chemicals. We have really, really cute familes
of chipmunks, too! And rabbits that don't (yet) bother my roses.

Quote:
>Besides, I'm still not too

<snips recipe>

This looks to be worth a try, next go around. MIne are between flushes
of blooms/bs, and still chem free at this point--though damned near
bald, too!!

Quote:
>And finally, to 3). Belinda's Dream is a shrub rose. For a full description
>& 2 photos, go to : www.timelessroses.com/BelindasDream.htm  I can vouch for
>every claim made on the page. If I'd known how great it is, I would have
>bought more than just one (esp. since it was fall clearence at 4.50!). I
>hope that covered everything! Peggy.

Ooooo, Peggy, this is nice. Thank you. P.S. Is there still an
"unmarked" club in West U called "Marfreless?"
Quote:



>> >Hello Headlights! I live in Houston & have had a Climbing Don Juan
>growing
>> >quite happily in progressively larger containers for 5 years. It is also
>in
>> >the middle of a full, all day sun backyard & just blooms away all year
>long.

>> great to know! Tell me,do you ever have a problem with the petal edges
>> burning a bit in the hot sun?

>> >It has the occassional black spot on one or two leaves, but I just remove
>> >the bad leaves & everthing's fine.

>> Do you find that you still have to use a fungicide, though? I know
>> Houston's humidity is pretty heavy.

>> >Another great rose for the heat &
>> >humidity is "Belinda's Dream". Gorgeous, HUGE pink blooms, STRONG
>fragrance

>> I love fragrant roses. This is an hybrid tea?

>> >& a prolific, repeat bloomer. AND I've never had black spot on it!

>> Quite amazing.

>> >Definitely one to recommend! Peggy.

>> Thanks.





>> > >Headlights

>> > >Is the Don Juan a common type rose and will it grow in Texas??

>> > >Thanks.

>> > >Clarence

>> > Hi Clarence! Texas gets so much hotter than it does here, I am not
>> > sure. Don Juan is quite common, Jackson and Perkins sells it. It is a
>> > deep, lovely red that stays true (does not turn purply like others)
>> > but reds are worse about burning in the heat than lighter roses, so
>> > Don Juan may not be your best choice. I would still try it, though.
>> > What a rose! Maybe plant it where it gets afternoon sun, but filtered
>> > light in the morning. If you have a local rose society, you may want
>> > to contact them to ask what grows well there. Also, your county
>> > probably has an agricultural extension program that has a website that
>> > discusses growing conditions where you are.

 
 
 

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Post by StPatric » Fri, 25 May 2001 12:34:16


Let's see.....My DJ is in full sun from sunrise until 7:00pm. I don't bother
with fungicides because it's pointles here - if something doesn't perform
well, I let it die a slow & painful death. Actually, not quite so heartless,
but I just don't have the time! This is why I wish I'd known how great
B'sDream is, I would have bought a bunch & donated my non-performers to my
gardening friends who don't mind high maintenance plants. Today, I was
watching Paul James ( my FAVORITE "celebrity" gardener!) & he mentioned that
products such as "Wilt-Pruf" will prevent mildew, etc. better than most
fungicides. I might give it a try. Between the roses, zinnias & hollyhocks,
I've learned to ignore the random bouts of fungi. I just try to keep
everything as healthy as possible & keep the infections localized. Three I
would NEVER recommend are: "Lace Cascade", "Topaz Jewel" & "Honor", all
white (or mostly) & all so loaded with B/S ( and BS! ) I'm ready to chuck
them. I also have two other , unlabeled, white roses & they're loaded too.
Maybe it's a genetic flaw.  My Don Juan, Arizona (an apricot/pink/yellow
blend) & another unlabled apricot rose are all doing fine. Now, as for that
club, I have to admit I haven't been to West U. for almost 20 years. Partly,
because I was living in Ill. for almost 6 years of that time, but mostly
because I have no reason to go there : ). So, I checked the Business Pages &
sho'nuff, it's listed. On Peden Ave. Did you go to school here?

Quote:


> >Hello Unit/headlights/fellow rosarian : )

> Hi!

> >To answer your questions, in
> >order of appearence:1)The only time the edges get"burnt" is when the
bloom
> >has darkened & is ready to fall off, anyway.

> Hmm, so I wonder why I have a problem with this during very hot times.
> Is your DJ in full sun?

> >2)As for the fungicide, I don't
> >use ANY " 'cides"-no pesticides because I have a yard full of
butterflies,
> >birds & etc. ( and I'm going to eat some of the stuff I have growing !) &
no
> >fungicides because I'd never be able to stop.

> This is great. (sigh.) I keep trying it, but around about the time
> when the mildew, bs, and bugs come out in force, I go for the
> chemicals. I do try to keep it to a minimum, though, for the same
> reasons you don't use chemicals. We have really, really cute familes
> of chipmunks, too! And rabbits that don't (yet) bother my roses.

> >Besides, I'm still not too
> <snips recipe>

> This looks to be worth a try, next go around. MIne are between flushes
> of blooms/bs, and still chem free at this point--though damned near
> bald, too!!

> >And finally, to 3). Belinda's Dream is a shrub rose. For a full
description
> >& 2 photos, go to : www.timelessroses.com/BelindasDream.htm  I can vouch
for
> >every claim made on the page. If I'd known how great it is, I would have
> >bought more than just one (esp. since it was fall clearence at 4.50!). I
> >hope that covered everything! Peggy.

> Ooooo, Peggy, this is nice. Thank you. P.S. Is there still an
> "unmarked" club in West U called "Marfreless?"




> >> >Hello Headlights! I live in Houston & have had a Climbing Don Juan
> >growing
> >> >quite happily in progressively larger containers for 5 years. It is
also
> >in
> >> >the middle of a full, all day sun backyard & just blooms away all year
> >long.

> >> great to know! Tell me,do you ever have a problem with the petal edges
> >> burning a bit in the hot sun?

> >> >It has the occassional black spot on one or two leaves, but I just
remove
> >> >the bad leaves & everthing's fine.

> >> Do you find that you still have to use a fungicide, though? I know
> >> Houston's humidity is pretty heavy.

> >> >Another great rose for the heat &
> >> >humidity is "Belinda's Dream". Gorgeous, HUGE pink blooms, STRONG
> >fragrance

> >> I love fragrant roses. This is an hybrid tea?

> >> >& a prolific, repeat bloomer. AND I've never had black spot on it!

> >> Quite amazing.

> >> >Definitely one to recommend! Peggy.

> >> Thanks.





> >> > >Headlights

> >> > >Is the Don Juan a common type rose and will it grow in Texas??

> >> > >Thanks.

> >> > >Clarence

> >> > Hi Clarence! Texas gets so much hotter than it does here, I am not
> >> > sure. Don Juan is quite common, Jackson and Perkins sells it. It is a
> >> > deep, lovely red that stays true (does not turn purply like others)
> >> > but reds are worse about burning in the heat than lighter roses, so
> >> > Don Juan may not be your best choice. I would still try it, though.
> >> > What a rose! Maybe plant it where it gets afternoon sun, but filtered
> >> > light in the morning. If you have a local rose society, you may want
> >> > to contact them to ask what grows well there. Also, your county
> >> > probably has an agricultural extension program that has a website
that
> >> > discusses growing conditions where you are.

 
 
 

What's your favorite easy-grow CUTTING rose?

Post by Unit » Fri, 25 May 2001 13:09:41




Quote:
>Let's see.....My DJ is in full sun from sunrise until 7:00pm. I don't bother
>with fungicides because it's pointles here - if something doesn't perform
>well, I let it die a slow & painful death. Actually, not quite so heartless,
>but I just don't have the time!

You know, my DJ is a few feet from a Mr. Lincoln that is a true
mildew, BS magnet, and it has never gotten mildew, just a bit of spot.
I think you're on to something here.

Quote:
>This is why I wish I'd known how great
>B'sDream is, I would have bought a bunch & donated my non-performers to my
>gardening friends who don't mind high maintenance plants.

Okay, I'm sold! She'll be tops on my list for next year!

Quote:
>Today, I was
>watching Paul James ( my FAVORITE "celebrity" gardener!) & he mentioned that
>products such as "Wilt-Pruf" will prevent mildew, etc. better than most
>fungicides.

Hmm, I've heard of this, it is a type of coating that prevents or
slows transpiration, right? Keeps the rose from emitting too much
water? I've never heard of this as a preventative for fungus. Keep us
posted on how it works.

Quote:
>Three I
>would NEVER recommend are: "Lace Cascade", "Topaz Jewel" & "Honor", all
>white (or mostly) & all so loaded with B/S ( and BS! ) I'm ready to chuck
>them.

I feel this way about my 3-year-old Full Sail. Ick! Little dirty
looking brown bullets for buds. A creepy, stunted little bush that
squats on the ground while everyone else reaches for the sky. It makes
a few pretty (but not lovely) blooms in the fall, that't it. Its days
are numbered. Got roses in line in pots waiting for a place in the
garden, after all.

Quote:
>Now, as for that
>club, I have to admit I haven't been to West U. for almost 20 years. Partly,
>because I was living in Ill. for almost 6 years of that time, but mostly
>because I have no reason to go there : ). So, I checked the Business Pages &
>sho'nuff, it's listed. On Peden Ave.

Ha ha!! That's wonderful. If I ever visit, I want to see it again. It
was a great place, very unusual. Little nooks and crannies with
tables, some behind beaded curtains, low to the floor with cushions
around. Candles and incense!

Quote:
>Did you go to school here?

Yes indeed! I like Houston. Is it your home?
Quote:




>> >Hello Unit/headlights/fellow rosarian : )

>> Hi!

>> >To answer your questions, in
>> >order of appearence:1)The only time the edges get"burnt" is when the
>bloom
>> >has darkened & is ready to fall off, anyway.

>> Hmm, so I wonder why I have a problem with this during very hot times.
>> Is your DJ in full sun?

>> >2)As for the fungicide, I don't
>> >use ANY " 'cides"-no pesticides because I have a yard full of
>butterflies,
>> >birds & etc. ( and I'm going to eat some of the stuff I have growing !) &
>no
>> >fungicides because I'd never be able to stop.

>> This is great. (sigh.) I keep trying it, but around about the time
>> when the mildew, bs, and bugs come out in force, I go for the
>> chemicals. I do try to keep it to a minimum, though, for the same
>> reasons you don't use chemicals. We have really, really cute familes
>> of chipmunks, too! And rabbits that don't (yet) bother my roses.

>> >Besides, I'm still not too
>> <snips recipe>

>> This looks to be worth a try, next go around. MIne are between flushes
>> of blooms/bs, and still chem free at this point--though damned near
>> bald, too!!

>> >And finally, to 3). Belinda's Dream is a shrub rose. For a full
>description
>> >& 2 photos, go to : www.timelessroses.com/BelindasDream.htm  I can vouch
>for
>> >every claim made on the page. If I'd known how great it is, I would have
>> >bought more than just one (esp. since it was fall clearence at 4.50!). I
>> >hope that covered everything! Peggy.

>> Ooooo, Peggy, this is nice. Thank you. P.S. Is there still an
>> "unmarked" club in West U called "Marfreless?"




>> >> >Hello Headlights! I live in Houston & have had a Climbing Don Juan
>> >growing
>> >> >quite happily in progressively larger containers for 5 years. It is
>also
>> >in
>> >> >the middle of a full, all day sun backyard & just blooms away all year
>> >long.

>> >> great to know! Tell me,do you ever have a problem with the petal edges
>> >> burning a bit in the hot sun?

>> >> >It has the occassional black spot on one or two leaves, but I just
>remove
>> >> >the bad leaves & everthing's fine.

>> >> Do you find that you still have to use a fungicide, though? I know
>> >> Houston's humidity is pretty heavy.

>> >> >Another great rose for the heat &
>> >> >humidity is "Belinda's Dream". Gorgeous, HUGE pink blooms, STRONG
>> >fragrance

>> >> I love fragrant roses. This is an hybrid tea?

>> >> >& a prolific, repeat bloomer. AND I've never had black spot on it!

>> >> Quite amazing.

>> >> >Definitely one to recommend! Peggy.

>> >> Thanks.





>> >> > >Headlights

>> >> > >Is the Don Juan a common type rose and will it grow in Texas??

>> >> > >Thanks.

>> >> > >Clarence

>> >> > Hi Clarence! Texas gets so much hotter than it does here, I am not
>> >> > sure. Don Juan is quite common, Jackson and Perkins sells it. It is a
>> >> > deep, lovely red that stays true (does not turn purply like others)
>> >> > but reds are worse about burning in the heat than lighter roses, so
>> >> > Don Juan may not be your best choice. I would still try it, though.
>> >> > What a rose! Maybe plant it where it gets afternoon sun, but filtered
>> >> > light in the morning. If you have a local rose society, you may want
>> >> > to contact them to ask what grows well there. Also, your county
>> >> > probably has an agricultural extension program that has a website
>that
>> >> > discusses growing conditions where you are.

 
 
 

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Post by StPatric » Fri, 25 May 2001 14:59:53


Yup. I've been here for 11 yrs. this time, also 3 yrs. in the early '80s. I
also lived in Fla. for 11 yrs. However, I am originally (and forever in my
heart) from NW of Chicago. Not too homesick in the winter, though. The flip
side being the ghastly Southern summers, when it's too stinkin' hot to walk
outside. I once read of a town in Norway that is inside the Arctic Circle.
However, because of it's location on the Gulf Stream, the temp. has never
gone above 80, & never gone below 40. Sounds like my kind of climate! Just
wish I could remember the name. That club sounds like something from my
hippie days. Niiiice!

Quote:


> >Let's see.....My DJ is in full sun from sunrise until 7:00pm. I don't
bother
> >with fungicides because it's pointles here - if something doesn't perform
> >well, I let it die a slow & painful death. Actually, not quite so
heartless,
> >but I just don't have the time!

> You know, my DJ is a few feet from a Mr. Lincoln that is a true
> mildew, BS magnet, and it has never gotten mildew, just a bit of spot.
> I think you're on to something here.

> >This is why I wish I'd known how great
> >B'sDream is, I would have bought a bunch & donated my non-performers to
my
> >gardening friends who don't mind high maintenance plants.

> Okay, I'm sold! She'll be tops on my list for next year!

> >Today, I was
> >watching Paul James ( my FAVORITE "celebrity" gardener!) & he mentioned
that
> >products such as "Wilt-Pruf" will prevent mildew, etc. better than most
> >fungicides.

> Hmm, I've heard of this, it is a type of coating that prevents or
> slows transpiration, right? Keeps the rose from emitting too much
> water? I've never heard of this as a preventative for fungus. Keep us
> posted on how it works.

> >Three I
> >would NEVER recommend are: "Lace Cascade", "Topaz Jewel" & "Honor", all
> >white (or mostly) & all so loaded with B/S ( and BS! ) I'm ready to chuck
> >them.

> I feel this way about my 3-year-old Full Sail. Ick! Little dirty
> looking brown bullets for buds. A creepy, stunted little bush that
> squats on the ground while everyone else reaches for the sky. It makes
> a few pretty (but not lovely) blooms in the fall, that't it. Its days
> are numbered. Got roses in line in pots waiting for a place in the
> garden, after all.

> >Now, as for that
> >club, I have to admit I haven't been to West U. for almost 20 years.
Partly,
> >because I was living in Ill. for almost 6 years of that time, but mostly
> >because I have no reason to go there : ). So, I checked the Business
Pages &
> >sho'nuff, it's listed. On Peden Ave.

> Ha ha!! That's wonderful. If I ever visit, I want to see it again. It
> was a great place, very unusual. Little nooks and crannies with
> tables, some behind beaded curtains, low to the floor with cushions
> around. Candles and incense!

> >Did you go to school here?

> Yes indeed! I like Houston. Is it your home?





> >> >Hello Unit/headlights/fellow rosarian : )

> >> Hi!

> >> >To answer your questions, in
> >> >order of appearence:1)The only time the edges get"burnt" is when the
> >bloom
> >> >has darkened & is ready to fall off, anyway.

> >> Hmm, so I wonder why I have a problem with this during very hot times.
> >> Is your DJ in full sun?

> >> >2)As for the fungicide, I don't
> >> >use ANY " 'cides"-no pesticides because I have a yard full of
> >butterflies,
> >> >birds & etc. ( and I'm going to eat some of the stuff I have growing
!) &
> >no
> >> >fungicides because I'd never be able to stop.

> >> This is great. (sigh.) I keep trying it, but around about the time
> >> when the mildew, bs, and bugs come out in force, I go for the
> >> chemicals. I do try to keep it to a minimum, though, for the same
> >> reasons you don't use chemicals. We have really, really cute familes
> >> of chipmunks, too! And rabbits that don't (yet) bother my roses.

> >> >Besides, I'm still not too
> >> <snips recipe>

> >> This looks to be worth a try, next go around. MIne are between flushes
> >> of blooms/bs, and still chem free at this point--though damned near
> >> bald, too!!

> >> >And finally, to 3). Belinda's Dream is a shrub rose. For a full
> >description
> >> >& 2 photos, go to : www.timelessroses.com/BelindasDream.htm  I can
vouch
> >for
> >> >every claim made on the page. If I'd known how great it is, I would
have
> >> >bought more than just one (esp. since it was fall clearence at 4.50!).
I
> >> >hope that covered everything! Peggy.

> >> Ooooo, Peggy, this is nice. Thank you. P.S. Is there still an
> >> "unmarked" club in West U called "Marfreless?"




> >> >> >Hello Headlights! I live in Houston & have had a Climbing Don Juan
> >> >growing
> >> >> >quite happily in progressively larger containers for 5 years. It is
> >also
> >> >in
> >> >> >the middle of a full, all day sun backyard & just blooms away all
year
> >> >long.

> >> >> great to know! Tell me,do you ever have a problem with the petal
edges
> >> >> burning a bit in the hot sun?

> >> >> >It has the occassional black spot on one or two leaves, but I just
> >remove
> >> >> >the bad leaves & everthing's fine.

> >> >> Do you find that you still have to use a fungicide, though? I know
> >> >> Houston's humidity is pretty heavy.

> >> >> >Another great rose for the heat &
> >> >> >humidity is "Belinda's Dream". Gorgeous, HUGE pink blooms, STRONG
> >> >fragrance

> >> >> I love fragrant roses. This is an hybrid tea?

> >> >> >& a prolific, repeat bloomer. AND I've never had black spot on it!

> >> >> Quite amazing.

> >> >> >Definitely one to recommend! Peggy.

> >> >> Thanks.






> >> >> > >Headlights

> >> >> > >Is the Don Juan a common type rose and will it grow in Texas??

> >> >> > >Thanks.

> >> >> > >Clarence

> >> >> > Hi Clarence! Texas gets so much hotter than it does here, I am not
> >> >> > sure. Don Juan is quite common, Jackson and Perkins sells it. It
is a
> >> >> > deep, lovely red that stays true (does not turn purply like
others)
> >> >> > but reds are worse about burning in the heat than lighter roses,
so
> >> >> > Don Juan may not be your best choice. I would still try it,
though.
> >> >> > What a rose! Maybe plant it where it gets afternoon sun, but
filtered
> >> >> > light in the morning. If you have a local rose society, you may
want
> >> >> > to contact them to ask what grows well there. Also, your county
> >> >> > probably has an agricultural extension program that has a website
> >that
> >> >> > discusses growing conditions where you are.

 
 
 

What's your favorite easy-grow CUTTING rose?

Post by Unit » Sat, 26 May 2001 00:37:38




Quote:
>Yup. I've been here for 11 yrs. this time, also 3 yrs. in the early '80s. I
>also lived in Fla. for 11 yrs.

There's something else we have in common. I lived in Orlando on and
off for about six years.

Quote:
>However, I am originally (and forever in my
>heart) from NW of Chicago. Not too homesick in the winter, though. The flip
>side being the ghastly Southern summers, when it's too stinkin' hot to walk
>outside.

In the dead of the summer, I could not stand outside in the Houston
sun for more than 20 minutes without seeing spots. On my way out, no
kidding!

 >I once read of a town in Norway that is inside the Arctic Circle.

Quote:
>However, because of it's location on the Gulf Stream, the temp. has never
>gone above 80, & never gone below 40. Sounds like my kind of climate! Just
>wish I could remember the name. That club sounds like something from my
>hippie days. Niiiice!

This was the early nineties, but it sure had that "hippy" feel! There
is a long philosophy behind the name, which is actually an acronym.
And, I don;t think it ever was for just the 20-something crowd. I hope
you'll go so you can tell me how it is these days. They used to have a
grrrreat wine list and very good food.
Quote:




>> >Let's see.....My DJ is in full sun from sunrise until 7:00pm. I don't
>bother
>> >with fungicides because it's pointles here - if something doesn't perform
>> >well, I let it die a slow & painful death. Actually, not quite so
>heartless,
>> >but I just don't have the time!

>> You know, my DJ is a few feet from a Mr. Lincoln that is a true
>> mildew, BS magnet, and it has never gotten mildew, just a bit of spot.
>> I think you're on to something here.

>> >This is why I wish I'd known how great
>> >B'sDream is, I would have bought a bunch & donated my non-performers to
>my
>> >gardening friends who don't mind high maintenance plants.

>> Okay, I'm sold! She'll be tops on my list for next year!

>> >Today, I was
>> >watching Paul James ( my FAVORITE "celebrity" gardener!) & he mentioned
>that
>> >products such as "Wilt-Pruf" will prevent mildew, etc. better than most
>> >fungicides.

>> Hmm, I've heard of this, it is a type of coating that prevents or
>> slows transpiration, right? Keeps the rose from emitting too much
>> water? I've never heard of this as a preventative for fungus. Keep us
>> posted on how it works.

>> >Three I
>> >would NEVER recommend are: "Lace Cascade", "Topaz Jewel" & "Honor", all
>> >white (or mostly) & all so loaded with B/S ( and BS! ) I'm ready to chuck
>> >them.

>> I feel this way about my 3-year-old Full Sail. Ick! Little dirty
>> looking brown bullets for buds. A creepy, stunted little bush that
>> squats on the ground while everyone else reaches for the sky. It makes
>> a few pretty (but not lovely) blooms in the fall, that't it. Its days
>> are numbered. Got roses in line in pots waiting for a place in the
>> garden, after all.

>> >Now, as for that
>> >club, I have to admit I haven't been to West U. for almost 20 years.
>Partly,
>> >because I was living in Ill. for almost 6 years of that time, but mostly
>> >because I have no reason to go there : ). So, I checked the Business
>Pages &
>> >sho'nuff, it's listed. On Peden Ave.

>> Ha ha!! That's wonderful. If I ever visit, I want to see it again. It
>> was a great place, very unusual. Little nooks and crannies with
>> tables, some behind beaded curtains, low to the floor with cushions
>> around. Candles and incense!

>> >Did you go to school here?

>> Yes indeed! I like Houston. Is it your home?





>> >> >Hello Unit/headlights/fellow rosarian : )

>> >> Hi!

>> >> >To answer your questions, in
>> >> >order of appearence:1)The only time the edges get"burnt" is when the
>> >bloom
>> >> >has darkened & is ready to fall off, anyway.

>> >> Hmm, so I wonder why I have a problem with this during very hot times.
>> >> Is your DJ in full sun?

>> >> >2)As for the fungicide, I don't
>> >> >use ANY " 'cides"-no pesticides because I have a yard full of
>> >butterflies,
>> >> >birds & etc. ( and I'm going to eat some of the stuff I have growing
>!) &
>> >no
>> >> >fungicides because I'd never be able to stop.

>> >> This is great. (sigh.) I keep trying it, but around about the time
>> >> when the mildew, bs, and bugs come out in force, I go for the
>> >> chemicals. I do try to keep it to a minimum, though, for the same
>> >> reasons you don't use chemicals. We have really, really cute familes
>> >> of chipmunks, too! And rabbits that don't (yet) bother my roses.

>> >> >Besides, I'm still not too
>> >> <snips recipe>

>> >> This looks to be worth a try, next go around. MIne are between flushes
>> >> of blooms/bs, and still chem free at this point--though damned near
>> >> bald, too!!

>> >> >And finally, to 3). Belinda's Dream is a shrub rose. For a full
>> >description
>> >> >& 2 photos, go to : www.timelessroses.com/BelindasDream.htm  I can
>vouch
>> >for
>> >> >every claim made on the page. If I'd known how great it is, I would
>have
>> >> >bought more than just one (esp. since it was fall clearence at 4.50!).
>I
>> >> >hope that covered everything! Peggy.

>> >> Ooooo, Peggy, this is nice. Thank you. P.S. Is there still an
>> >> "unmarked" club in West U called "Marfreless?"




>> >> >> >Hello Headlights! I live in Houston & have had a Climbing Don Juan
>> >> >growing
>> >> >> >quite happily in progressively larger containers for 5 years. It is
>> >also
>> >> >in
>> >> >> >the middle of a full, all day sun backyard & just blooms away all
>year
>> >> >long.

>> >> >> great to know! Tell me,do you ever have a problem with the petal
>edges
>> >> >> burning a bit in the hot sun?

>> >> >> >It has the occassional black spot on one or two leaves, but I just
>> >remove
>> >> >> >the bad leaves & everthing's fine.

>> >> >> Do you find that you still have to use a fungicide, though? I know
>> >> >> Houston's humidity is pretty heavy.

>> >> >> >Another great rose for the heat &
>> >> >> >humidity is "Belinda's Dream". Gorgeous, HUGE pink blooms, STRONG
>> >> >fragrance

>> >> >> I love fragrant roses. This is an hybrid tea?

>> >> >> >& a prolific, repeat bloomer. AND I've never had black spot on it!

>> >> >> Quite amazing.

>> >> >> >Definitely one to recommend! Peggy.

>> >> >> Thanks.






>> >> >> > >Headlights

>> >> >> > >Is the Don Juan a common type rose and will it grow in Texas??

>> >> >> > >Thanks.

>> >> >> > >Clarence

>> >> >> > Hi Clarence! Texas gets so much hotter than it does here, I am not
>> >> >> > sure. Don Juan is quite common, Jackson and Perkins sells it. It
>is a
>> >> >> > deep, lovely red that stays true (does not turn purply like
>others)
>> >> >> > but reds are worse about burning in the heat than lighter roses,
>so
>> >> >> > Don Juan may not be your best choice. I would still try it,
>though.
>> >> >> > What a rose! Maybe plant it where it gets afternoon sun, but
>filtered
>> >> >> > light in the morning. If you have a local rose society, you may
>want
>> >> >> > to contact them to ask what grows well there. Also, your county
>> >> >> > probably has an agricultural extension program that has a website
>> >that
>> >> >> > discusses growing conditions where you are.

 
 
 

What's your favorite easy-grow CUTTING rose?

Post by StPatric » Sat, 26 May 2001 14:52:28


Weeeelllll, maybe I'll get a gang together & go check it out. I'll have to
take your word for it on the wine list. I'm allergic to *** & haven't
been able to drink since '79 : ( . Now for a rose-type question (in keeping
with the n.g.): Have you ever trained a rose up an obelisk? If so, how did
it do & how should it be trained? A local clearence-type store has them for
4.99 (6 footers!) & I'm debating on getting some. Thanks! Peggy.

Quote:


> >Yup. I've been here for 11 yrs. this time, also 3 yrs. in the early '80s.
I
> >also lived in Fla. for 11 yrs.

> There's something else we have in common. I lived in Orlando on and
> off for about six years.

> >However, I am originally (and forever in my
> >heart) from NW of Chicago. Not too homesick in the winter, though. The
flip
> >side being the ghastly Southern summers, when it's too stinkin' hot to
walk
> >outside.

> In the dead of the summer, I could not stand outside in the Houston
> sun for more than 20 minutes without seeing spots. On my way out, no
> kidding!

>  >I once read of a town in Norway that is inside the Arctic Circle.
> >However, because of it's location on the Gulf Stream, the temp. has never
> >gone above 80, & never gone below 40. Sounds like my kind of climate!
Just
> >wish I could remember the name. That club sounds like something from my
> >hippie days. Niiiice!

> This was the early nineties, but it sure had that "hippy" feel! There
> is a long philosophy behind the name, which is actually an acronym.
> And, I don;t think it ever was for just the 20-something crowd. I hope
> you'll go so you can tell me how it is these days. They used to have a
> grrrreat wine list and very good food.





> >> >Let's see.....My DJ is in full sun from sunrise until 7:00pm. I don't
> >bother
> >> >with fungicides because it's pointles here - if something doesn't
perform
> >> >well, I let it die a slow & painful death. Actually, not quite so
> >heartless,
> >> >but I just don't have the time!

> >> You know, my DJ is a few feet from a Mr. Lincoln that is a true
> >> mildew, BS magnet, and it has never gotten mildew, just a bit of spot.
> >> I think you're on to something here.

> >> >This is why I wish I'd known how great
> >> >B'sDream is, I would have bought a bunch & donated my non-performers
to
> >my
> >> >gardening friends who don't mind high maintenance plants.

> >> Okay, I'm sold! She'll be tops on my list for next year!

> >> >Today, I was
> >> >watching Paul James ( my FAVORITE "celebrity" gardener!) & he
mentioned
> >that
> >> >products such as "Wilt-Pruf" will prevent mildew, etc. better than
most
> >> >fungicides.

> >> Hmm, I've heard of this, it is a type of coating that prevents or
> >> slows transpiration, right? Keeps the rose from emitting too much
> >> water? I've never heard of this as a preventative for fungus. Keep us
> >> posted on how it works.

> >> >Three I
> >> >would NEVER recommend are: "Lace Cascade", "Topaz Jewel" & "Honor",
all
> >> >white (or mostly) & all so loaded with B/S ( and BS! ) I'm ready to
chuck
> >> >them.

> >> I feel this way about my 3-year-old Full Sail. Ick! Little dirty
> >> looking brown bullets for buds. A creepy, stunted little bush that
> >> squats on the ground while everyone else reaches for the sky. It makes
> >> a few pretty (but not lovely) blooms in the fall, that't it. Its days
> >> are numbered. Got roses in line in pots waiting for a place in the
> >> garden, after all.

> >> >Now, as for that
> >> >club, I have to admit I haven't been to West U. for almost 20 years.
> >Partly,
> >> >because I was living in Ill. for almost 6 years of that time, but
mostly
> >> >because I have no reason to go there : ). So, I checked the Business
> >Pages &
> >> >sho'nuff, it's listed. On Peden Ave.

> >> Ha ha!! That's wonderful. If I ever visit, I want to see it again. It
> >> was a great place, very unusual. Little nooks and crannies with
> >> tables, some behind beaded curtains, low to the floor with cushions
> >> around. Candles and incense!

> >> >Did you go to school here?

> >> Yes indeed! I like Houston. Is it your home?



> >> >> On Tue, 22 May 2001 04:30:56 GMT, "StPatrick"


- Show quoted text -

Quote:

> >> >> >Hello Unit/headlights/fellow rosarian : )

> >> >> Hi!

> >> >> >To answer your questions, in
> >> >> >order of appearence:1)The only time the edges get"burnt" is when
the
> >> >bloom
> >> >> >has darkened & is ready to fall off, anyway.

> >> >> Hmm, so I wonder why I have a problem with this during very hot
times.
> >> >> Is your DJ in full sun?

> >> >> >2)As for the fungicide, I don't
> >> >> >use ANY " 'cides"-no pesticides because I have a yard full of
> >> >butterflies,
> >> >> >birds & etc. ( and I'm going to eat some of the stuff I have
growing
> >!) &
> >> >no
> >> >> >fungicides because I'd never be able to stop.

> >> >> This is great. (sigh.) I keep trying it, but around about the time
> >> >> when the mildew, bs, and bugs come out in force, I go for the
> >> >> chemicals. I do try to keep it to a minimum, though, for the same
> >> >> reasons you don't use chemicals. We have really, really cute familes
> >> >> of chipmunks, too! And rabbits that don't (yet) bother my roses.

> >> >> >Besides, I'm still not too
> >> >> <snips recipe>

> >> >> This looks to be worth a try, next go around. MIne are between
flushes
> >> >> of blooms/bs, and still chem free at this point--though damned near
> >> >> bald, too!!

> >> >> >And finally, to 3). Belinda's Dream is a shrub rose. For a full
> >> >description
> >> >> >& 2 photos, go to : www.timelessroses.com/BelindasDream.htm  I can
> >vouch
> >> >for
> >> >> >every claim made on the page. If I'd known how great it is, I would
> >have
> >> >> >bought more than just one (esp. since it was fall clearence at
4.50!).
> >I
> >> >> >hope that covered everything! Peggy.

> >> >> Ooooo, Peggy, this is nice. Thank you. P.S. Is there still an
> >> >> "unmarked" club in West U called "Marfreless?"




> >> >> >> >Hello Headlights! I live in Houston & have had a Climbing Don
Juan
> >> >> >growing
> >> >> >> >quite happily in progressively larger containers for 5 years. It
is
> >> >also
> >> >> >in
> >> >> >> >the middle of a full, all day sun backyard & just blooms away
all
> >year
> >> >> >long.

> >> >> >> great to know! Tell me,do you ever have a problem with the petal
> >edges
> >> >> >> burning a bit in the hot sun?

> >> >> >> >It has the occassional black spot on one or two leaves, but I
just
> >> >remove
> >> >> >> >the bad leaves & everthing's fine.

> >> >> >> Do you find that you still have to use a fungicide, though? I
know
> >> >> >> Houston's humidity is pretty heavy.

> >> >> >> >Another great rose for the heat &
> >> >> >> >humidity is "Belinda's Dream". Gorgeous, HUGE pink blooms,
STRONG
> >> >> >fragrance

> >> >> >> I love fragrant roses. This is an hybrid tea?

> >> >> >> >& a prolific, repeat bloomer. AND I've never had black spot on
it!

> >> >> >> Quite amazing.

> >> >> >> >Definitely one to recommend! Peggy.

> >> >> >> Thanks.






> >> >> >> > >Headlights

> >> >> >> > >Is the Don Juan a common type rose and will it grow in Texas??

> >> >> >> > >Thanks.

> >> >> >> > >Clarence

> >> >> >> > Hi Clarence! Texas gets so much hotter than it does here, I am
not
> >> >> >> > sure. Don Juan is quite common, Jackson and Perkins sells it.
It
> >is a
> >> >> >> > deep, lovely red that stays true (does not turn purply like
> >others)
> >> >> >> > but reds are worse about burning in the heat than lighter
roses,
> >so
> >> >> >> > Don Juan may not be your best choice. I would still try it,
> >though.
> >> >> >> > What a rose! Maybe plant it where it gets afternoon sun, but
> >filtered
> >> >> >> > light in the morning. If you have a local rose society, you may
> >want
> >> >> >> > to contact them to ask what grows well there. Also, your county
> >> >> >> > probably has an agricultural extension program that has a
website
> >> >that
> >> >> >> > discusses growing conditions where you are.

 
 
 

What's your favorite easy-grow CUTTING rose?

Post by Rmblin » Tue, 29 May 2001 09:16:14


Quote:
>Is the Don Juan a common type rose and will it grow in Texas??

I don't know if it grows in Texas but it blooms well in So. CA.  No fragrance
though.