Cheap Topsoil/Fill??

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Cheap Topsoil/Fill??

Post by Brooklyn » Sat, 13 Apr 2013 00:13:55



Quote:

>I see what your saying. Because yeah, the $1.49 stuff at Home Depot is
>usually all wet, heavy, and smelly, loaded with debris and rocks. The
>"Scotts: Premium" is mostly all peat moss and mulch, and the organic
>topsoil at the Garden center is usually light and fluffy even though
>it's in a "40 pound" bag.

>I can probably only get 5 bags at a time in the car, so yes, that is
>ALOT of trips to the store in the family car!!! I will have to call
>around some landscapers and get some prices of having a truck load of
>soil delivered.

A landscaper will charge you double... there are people who sell just
bulk soil, sand, stone, mulch, etc... check your yellow pages.
 
 
 

Cheap Topsoil/Fill??

Post by Brooklyn » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:37:38



Quote:

>> Just to get an accurate measurement, I went out there today with a tape
>> measure, and measured the entire rut in the lawn, and boy was I WAY
>> OFF!!!!!!! The rut is about 40 feet long, not 30 feet long. It is 3 feet
>> wide, not 2 feet wide. And it is roughly about 4 inches deep, not 1-2
>> feet deep. The depth varies in differnt spots. In one spot it was about
>> 3 inches deeper than the rest of the lawn. In another spot it was 3 and
>> 1/2 inches deeper. In another spot it was 4 inches deeper than the rest

How does one confuse a few inch depth with a few feet???

Quote:
>Me, I'd till it up, including about a 10 ft strip on either side, rake it flat, and call it good, after verifying what's in trench... because it sounds very
>much like a utility trench.

I see no point in tilling that trench... all that will accomplish is
to fluff the soil giving a false impression of how much fill is
needed, then when it all settles there'll still be a trench albiet a
bit shallower... the top soil delivered will be fluffy enough, be sure
to mound it a couple inches higher than the surrounding level as it
will settle and compact.

Quote:
>You've got about 15 cu yards if you want to fill it.  Most bags of topsoil are
>in the vicinity of 0.75 cu ft, so you'd need about 535 bags.  Is the dump truck option sounding any better?

Fif*** cu yds is a huge truckful... it's rare a top soil seller will
have a truck that size, typically a 10 cu yd dump truck is as large as
they go, typically they use 5 cu yd dump trucks... larger excavating
companys may have 20 cu yd dump trucks.

I think your math is way off.

Assuming 1' deep: 40' X 3' = 120 cu ft... divided by 27 cuft = 4.4 cu
yds.  Assuming a 6" depth you'd need 2.2 cu yds of soil to generously
fill that trench.  Still way too much soil to fill with bags... this
is definitely a bulk delivery project.  I'd order 3-4 cu yds just to
be sure and to allow for settling and over spreading... top soil is
delivered fluffy, not compacted... and a home owner can always find
use for extra topsoil... it's cheaper to order more than to need
another small delivery.  And typically bulk delivery gives a discount
for more cu yds because it's the same trip... running the truck and
the time is more valuable than the soil.
This is a 20 cu yd dump truck, monsterous:  
http://www.moonsgarden.com/
Repairing my creek with rip rap due to erosion from hurricane
flooding:  
http://www.moonsgarden.com/
Was an expensive project but well worth doing, was 2007, and has held
well through several floods:  
http://www.moonsgarden.com/
Plants grew back and can barely see any rock (2010):
http://www.moonsgarden.com/
Creek is in there (2011):  
http://www.moonsgarden.com/
http://www.moonsgarden.com/
Still the creek overflows its banks during heavy down pours but the
rip rap holds well:
http://www.moonsgarden.com/
I've had lots of excavating projects that required loads of topsoil,
bank run, shale, gravel, etc.

 
 
 

Cheap Topsoil/Fill??

Post by Brooklyn » Sat, 13 Apr 2013 00:10:28


On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:26:26 +1000, "David Hare-Scott"

Quote:


>> Well I know that the generic, debris-filled cheap $1.50 topsoil bag at
>> Home Depot is 40 pounds. The "Scotts: Premium" topsoil  is $1.98 and
>> comes in a 30 pound bag. All the bags of "Organic" topsoil run
>> anywhere from $5 dollars to $7 dollars a bag at my local garden
>> center, and they all come in 40 pound bags as well.

>The weight of soil per cubic foot varies with its content, moisture and
>compactness.  Picking a typical figure say 80lbs per cuft.  So your bags are
>about half a cuft each.  So you need about 80 bags which will cost about
>$150-500 (depending on which one you buy) and weigh about 3200lbs, which is
>looking like quite a lot of trips in the family car.  Perhaps try asking a
>local landscape supplier what the price of 2 cubic yards (a little more than
>you need) delivered would be.  It may not be cheaper for a small quantity
>like that but it may be more practical.  Consider how close the delivery
>truck (or your car ) can get to the site as you will have to carry or barrow
>it the rest of the way.

I've purchased good quality bagged topsoil by the pallet, each pallet
was 60 bags, equals 1 cu yd, $200 a pallet delivered, got two
pallets... but All State paid... some moron drove way into my property
in early spring and got bogged down in mud.. I chose to repair the
ruts myself... The driver's insurance paid for the topsoil, a fifty
pound sack of grass seed, and paid my labor, 16 hours at $15/hr.
http://i48.tinypic.com/27zb6dx.jpg
Actually all I did is spend an hour stomping down the ruts wearing
heavy boots and once it dried a bit smushed it flat with my tractor
tires, I still have the seed and soil that I occasionally put to other
use.  I'd never buy that much bagged soil if I had to pay... around
here excellent bulk topsoil runs about $40/yd delivered with a 3 yd
minimum.  Most of those bags of topsoil are still stacked in my barn,
Newt likes to sleep on them:  
http://i46.tinypic.com/sx2al5.jpg
 
 
 

Cheap Topsoil/Fill??

Post by David E. Ros » Sat, 13 Apr 2013 03:31:25



Quote:
> Anyone know of any companies that sell GOOD and cheap bagged
> topsoil/fill?? Almost everyone near me has the "Scotts Premium Topsoil"
> for around $2 bucks a bag, but the stuff is crap!! I bought some last
> year, and when I opened the bag, it wasn't even dirt/soil, or was more
> like all mulch and peat!!! TONS of sticks and mulch in there, even
> though the bag says "contains no sticks", the stuff is junk!!

> Home Depot sells some generic topsoil for about $1.50 a bag, but that
> stuff sucks as well. The dirt is always wet, and smelly, and loaded with
> debris like ieces of plastic, rocks, etc, etc. Same with the "Ace
> Hardware" topsoil which is about $3 bucks a bag, the stuff is wet,
> smelly, and loaded with debris.

> The "Garden Centers" near me have good brands like organic "Fosters",
> "Fafard", "Moo Moo Dirt" and "Lobster Compost", the problem is they are
> like $5 - $8 bucks per bag!!

> In my yard, the former owners, many years ago had a very long flower bed
> on the side of the house. When we moved in, there were no flowers there.
> It is all grass now. The problem is, there is a big long deep rut there
> now where the flower bed was. The ditch/rut is about 30 feet LONG, 2-3
> feet WIDE, and about 1-2 feet DEEP.

> We want to fill this in, because when it rains the rut fills with water.
> When you mow the lawn there, the mower scalps the grass on the sides of
> the rut/ditch. I know the best way to fill this in, would be to just
> call a landscaping company and have a truck full of topsoil/loam dumped.

> The problem is, I have a small driveway with 3 cars parked in it, and a
> small front yard with a busy public sidewalk with people and kids
> walking by all day because of an elementary school down the street. I
> don't think the city would be happy with a big pile of dirt dumped on
> the public City sidewalk. So unfortunately, looks like the only way to
> ever fix this myself ( without paying landscapers to use a wheelbarrow
> to move the soil from their truck parked in the street to the ditch/rut,
> is to buy bagged topsoil.

> I don't want to use the crappy $2 dollar a bag "Scotts" which is like
> 85% mulch and peat moss, but also don't want to spend like $7 bucks a
> bag for the organic stuff at the Garden Center. Should I just use the
> cheap $1.50 stuff at Home Depot to fill the ditch/rut, and then just
> spread a few bags of the good organic stuff on the top??

> Because this thing being 30 feet long, 2-3 feet wide, and 1-2 feet deep,
> I probably need like 50 bags of topsoil!?

Try a building supply yard.  This would be a business that sells sand,
gravel, etc in bulk, by the skipload.  Many of them have topsoil of
varying quality.  You can often go to the large outdoor bin where it is
stored and examine it.

Bulk materials like this are sold in the U.S. by cubic yards.  You will
need 6-7 yards.  Have it delivered.  They will dump it in your driveway
in front.  You will need a wheelbarrow to move it.

--
David E. Ross
Climate:  California Mediterranean, see
<http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html>
Gardening diary at <http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary>

 
 
 

Cheap Topsoil/Fill??

Post by Bill » Sat, 13 Apr 2013 05:48:40




Quote:

> > Anyone know of any companies that sell GOOD and cheap bagged
> > topsoil/fill?? Almost everyone near me has the "Scotts Premium Topsoil"
> > for around $2 bucks a bag, but the stuff is crap!! I bought some last
> > year, and when I opened the bag, it wasn't even dirt/soil, or was more
> > like all mulch and peat!!! TONS of sticks and mulch in there, even
> > though the bag says "contains no sticks", the stuff is junk!!

> > Home Depot sells some generic topsoil for about $1.50 a bag, but that
> > stuff sucks as well. The dirt is always wet, and smelly, and loaded with
> > debris like ieces of plastic, rocks, etc, etc. Same with the "Ace
> > Hardware" topsoil which is about $3 bucks a bag, the stuff is wet,
> > smelly, and loaded with debris.

> > The "Garden Centers" near me have good brands like organic "Fosters",
> > "Fafard", "Moo Moo Dirt" and "Lobster Compost", the problem is they are
> > like $5 - $8 bucks per bag!!

> > In my yard, the former owners, many years ago had a very long flower bed
> > on the side of the house. When we moved in, there were no flowers there.
> > It is all grass now. The problem is, there is a big long deep rut there
> > now where the flower bed was. The ditch/rut is about 30 feet LONG, 2-3
> > feet WIDE, and about 1-2 feet DEEP.

> > We want to fill this in, because when it rains the rut fills with water.
> > When you mow the lawn there, the mower scalps the grass on the sides of
> > the rut/ditch. I know the best way to fill this in, would be to just
> > call a landscaping company and have a truck full of topsoil/loam dumped.

> > The problem is, I have a small driveway with 3 cars parked in it, and a
> > small front yard with a busy public sidewalk with people and kids
> > walking by all day because of an elementary school down the street. I
> > don't think the city would be happy with a big pile of dirt dumped on
> > the public City sidewalk. So unfortunately, looks like the only way to
> > ever fix this myself ( without paying landscapers to use a wheelbarrow
> > to move the soil from their truck parked in the street to the ditch/rut,
> > is to buy bagged topsoil.

> > I don't want to use the crappy $2 dollar a bag "Scotts" which is like
> > 85% mulch and peat moss, but also don't want to spend like $7 bucks a
> > bag for the organic stuff at the Garden Center. Should I just use the
> > cheap $1.50 stuff at Home Depot to fill the ditch/rut, and then just
> > spread a few bags of the good organic stuff on the top??

> > Because this thing being 30 feet long, 2-3 feet wide, and 1-2 feet deep,
> > I probably need like 50 bags of topsoil!?

> Try a building supply yard.  This would be a business that sells sand,
> gravel, etc in bulk, by the skipload.  Many of them have topsoil of
> varying quality.  You can often go to the large outdoor bin where it is
> stored and examine it.

> Bulk materials like this are sold in the U.S. by cubic yards.  You will
> need 6-7 yards.  Have it delivered.  They will dump it in your driveway
> in front.  You will need a wheelbarrow to move it.

Make that a landscaping supply yard, and your chances will improve
dramatically.

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