Cheap Topsoil/Fill??

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Cheap Topsoil/Fill??

Post by MICHELLE » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:20:24



Anyone know of any companies that sell GOOD and cheap bagged
topsoil/fill?? Almost everyone near me has the "Scotts Premium Topsoil"
for around $2 bucks a bag, but the stuff is crap!! I bought some last
year, and when I opened the bag, it wasn't even dirt/soil, or was more
like all mulch and peat!!! TONS of sticks and mulch in there, even
though the bag says "contains no sticks", the stuff is junk!!

Home Depot sells some generic topsoil for about $1.50 a bag, but that
stuff sucks as well. The dirt is always wet, and smelly, and loaded with
debris like ieces of plastic, rocks, etc, etc. Same with the "Ace
Hardware" topsoil which is about $3 bucks a bag, the stuff is wet,
smelly, and loaded with debris.

The "Garden Centers" near me have good brands like organic "Fosters",
"Fafard", "Moo Moo Dirt" and "Lobster Compost", the problem is they are
like $5 - $8 bucks per bag!!

In my yard, the former owners, many years ago had a very long flower bed
on the side of the house. When we moved in, there were no flowers there.
It is all grass now. The problem is, there is a big long deep rut there
now where the flower bed was. The ditch/rut is about 30 feet LONG, 2-3
feet WIDE, and about 1-2 feet DEEP.

We want to fill this in, because when it rains the rut fills with water.
When you mow the lawn there, the mower scalps the grass on the sides of
the rut/ditch. I know the best way to fill this in, would be to just
call a landscaping company and have a truck full of topsoil/loam dumped.

The problem is, I have a small driveway with 3 cars parked in it, and a
small front yard with a busy public sidewalk with people and kids
walking by all day because of an elementary school down the street. I
don't think the city would be happy with a big pile of dirt dumped on
the public City sidewalk. So unfortunately, looks like the only way to
ever fix this myself ( without paying landscapers to use a wheelbarrow
to move the soil from their truck parked in the street to the ditch/rut,
is to buy bagged topsoil.

I don't want to use the crappy $2 dollar a bag "Scotts" which is like
85% mulch and peat moss, but also don't want to spend like $7 bucks a
bag for the organic stuff at the Garden Center. Should I just use the
cheap $1.50 stuff at Home Depot to fill the ditch/rut, and then just
spread a few bags of the good organic stuff on the top??

Because this thing being 30 feet long, 2-3 feet wide, and 1-2 feet deep,
I probably need like 50 bags of topsoil!?

 
 
 

Cheap Topsoil/Fill??

Post by Brooklyn » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:23:21




Quote:
>Anyone know of any companies that sell GOOD and cheap bagged
>topsoil/fill?? Almost everyone near me has the "Scotts Premium Topsoil"
>for around $2 bucks a bag, but the stuff is crap!! I bought some last
>year, and when I opened the bag, it wasn't even dirt/soil, or was more
>like all mulch and peat!!! TONS of sticks and mulch in there, even
>though the bag says "contains no sticks", the stuff is junk!!

>Home Depot sells some generic topsoil for about $1.50 a bag, but that
>stuff sucks as well. The dirt is always wet, and smelly, and loaded with
>debris like ieces of plastic, rocks, etc, etc. Same with the "Ace
>Hardware" topsoil which is about $3 bucks a bag, the stuff is wet,
>smelly, and loaded with debris.

>The "Garden Centers" near me have good brands like organic "Fosters",
>"Fafard", "Moo Moo Dirt" and "Lobster Compost", the problem is they are
>like $5 - $8 bucks per bag!!

>In my yard, the former owners, many years ago had a very long flower bed
>on the side of the house. When we moved in, there were no flowers there.
>It is all grass now. The problem is, there is a big long deep rut there
>now where the flower bed was. The ditch/rut is about 30 feet LONG, 2-3
>feet WIDE, and about 1-2 feet DEEP.

>We want to fill this in, because when it rains the rut fills with water.
>When you mow the lawn there, the mower scalps the grass on the sides of
>the rut/ditch. I know the best way to fill this in, would be to just
>call a landscaping company and have a truck full of topsoil/loam dumped.

>The problem is, I have a small driveway with 3 cars parked in it, and a
>small front yard with a busy public sidewalk with people and kids
>walking by all day because of an elementary school down the street. I
>don't think the city would be happy with a big pile of dirt dumped on
>the public City sidewalk. So unfortunately, looks like the only way to
>ever fix this myself ( without paying landscapers to use a wheelbarrow
>to move the soil from their truck parked in the street to the ditch/rut,
>is to buy bagged topsoil.

>I don't want to use the crappy $2 dollar a bag "Scotts" which is like
>85% mulch and peat moss, but also don't want to spend like $7 bucks a
>bag for the organic stuff at the Garden Center. Should I just use the
>cheap $1.50 stuff at Home Depot to fill the ditch/rut, and then just
>spread a few bags of the good organic stuff on the top??

>Because this thing being 30 feet long, 2-3 feet wide, and 1-2 feet deep,
>I probably need like 50 bags of topsoil!?

You'll need a whole lot more than 50 bags to fill that thing... you'd
do best to have a truckload of bulk topsoil delivered... you'll need
4-5 cubic yards.  Have the soil dumped in your driveway up near the
garage door and then park one car on your lawn until you move all the
soil with a wheelbarrow.  Sometimes the delivery can be made with a
small dump truck so perhaps it can be dumped directly.  Another
consideration is that you don't need good topsoil two feet deep, fill
the trench most of the way with ordinay bank run and then after it
settles lay on 6-8 inches of good topsoil, will cost less that way,
and actually be a better job.  But there is no good cheap way, you get
what you pay for, and the cheap turns out expensive.
 
 
 

Cheap Topsoil/Fill??

Post by David Hare-Scot » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 07:56:31


Quote:

> Because this thing being 30 feet long, 2-3 feet wide, and 1-2 feet
> deep, I probably need like 50 bags of topsoil!?

According to your dimensions the bed needs between 2 and 7 cubic yards of
soil.  Firstly measure it accurately so you know which it is and then
abandon the idea of bags.  How were you going to transport these 50 (or
more) bags, 5 at a time in the boot of the car?

Save yourself a lot of wasted effort (and possibly money too) and get it
delivered in bulk.  Depending on access you may be able to get it dumped
straight into the bed.  Any good bulk landscaping supply will give you a
quote including delivery and be happy for you to choose which heap it comes
from.  For good quality soil it is likely to be cheaper this way.

David

 
 
 

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Post by MICHELLE » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:18:41


Thanks for all the great answers. Yeah, this looks to be a BIG job. The
old guy who lived in the house before us had hardly any grass at all.
From what I understand from neighbors, is that he had a HUGE vegetable
garden in the backyard, and flowers all on the side of the house, and in
the front yard. Neighbors said that the whole front yard was ALL
entirely flowers, no grass!! He hardly had any grass at all. When he
passed away, no one cared for the flowers, and grass and weeds grew
everywhere.

One of the neighbors said that on the property line with the next door
neighbor, instead of putting up a fence like most people, he had a
flower bed that ran down about 50 - 60 feet on the side of the house
that seperated the 2 yards.

So this is the reason why there is now a long rut there. I guess he
filled in about 30 feet of the rut though, because he planted "Rose Of
Sharon" bushes on the property line when he was getting older and
couldn't take care of so many flowers. The neighbors said he had about 2
or 3 truckloads of "loam" delivered to the yard.

I'm just wondering, why did he make the flower bed so deep!? It's not
just 30 feet long, and 1-2 feet wide, but deep as well, about 1-2 feet!!
I assume he must have dug out all the soil, and probably used it for his
garden in the backyard??

 
 
 

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Post by MICHELLE » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:38:10


Just to get an accurate measurement, I went out there today with a tape
measure, and measured the entire rut in the lawn, and boy was I WAY
OFF!!!!!!! The rut is about 40 feet long, not 30 feet long. It is 3 feet
wide, not 2 feet wide. And it is roughly about 4 inches deep, not 1-2
feet deep. The depth varies in differnt spots. In one spot it was about
3 inches deeper than the rest of the lawn. In another spot it was 3 and
1/2 inches deeper. In another spot it was 4 inches deeper than the rest
of the lawn. So the entire rut is about 3-4 inches deep.

The reason I originally said it was 1-2 feet deep is because that's how
deep it feels when your standing in it!!!!

But using a tape measure, the more accurate measurement is actually 40
feet long, 3 feet wide, and 3-4 inches deep.

Is this still impossible and too expensive to fill with bags of topsoil
bought at retail?

 
 
 

Cheap Topsoil/Fill??

Post by David Hare-Scot » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:22:10


Quote:

> Just to get an accurate measurement, I went out there today with a
> tape measure, and measured the entire rut in the lawn, and boy was I
> WAY OFF!!!!!!! The rut is about 40 feet long, not 30 feet long. It is
> 3 feet wide, not 2 feet wide. And it is roughly about 4 inches deep,
> not 1-2 feet deep. The depth varies in differnt spots. In one spot it
> was about 3 inches deeper than the rest of the lawn. In another spot
> it was 3 and 1/2 inches deeper. In another spot it was 4 inches
> deeper than the rest of the lawn. So the entire rut is about 3-4
> inches deep.

> The reason I originally said it was 1-2 feet deep is because that's
> how deep it feels when your standing in it!!!!

> But using a tape measure, the more accurate measurement is actually 40
> feet long, 3 feet wide, and 3-4 inches deep.

> Is this still impossible and too expensive to fill with bags of
> topsoil bought at retail?

What cost is "too expensive"?

Your ditch is about (40 x 3 x 1/3) 40 cubic ft.  What is the volume of a
bag?  I don't know what size bags are offered (the label will probably tell
you if you look ) if you don't have one phone the supplier and ask.

Do the sums, that is divide 40 by the number of cubic ft per bag.    What
will this number of bags cost you?  Hint:  take the number of bags and
multipliy by the cost per bag.  How will you get them home?  Take the total
number of bags and divide by the number that will fit in your car to work
out how many trips.

After this you will have some facts.  Then ask yourself is it too expensive
for you.

D

 
 
 

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Post by MICHELLE » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:38:02


Well I know that the generic, debris-filled cheap $1.50 topsoil bag at
Home Depot is 40 pounds. The "Scotts: Premium" topsoil  is $1.98 and
comes in a 30 pound bag. All the bags of "Organic" topsoil run anywhere
from $5 dollars to $7 dollars a bag at my local garden center, and they
all come in 40 pound bags as well.
 
 
 

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Post by David Hare-Scot » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:26:26


Quote:

> Well I know that the generic, debris-filled cheap $1.50 topsoil bag at
> Home Depot is 40 pounds. The "Scotts: Premium" topsoil  is $1.98 and
> comes in a 30 pound bag. All the bags of "Organic" topsoil run
> anywhere from $5 dollars to $7 dollars a bag at my local garden
> center, and they all come in 40 pound bags as well.

The weight of soil per cubic foot varies with its content, moisture and
compactness.  Picking a typical figure say 80lbs per cuft.  So your bags are
about half a cuft each.  So you need about 80 bags which will cost about
$150-500 (depending on which one you buy) and weigh about 3200lbs, which is
looking like quite a lot of trips in the family car.  Perhaps try asking a
local landscape supplier what the price of 2 cubic yards (a little more than
you need) delivered would be.  It may not be cheaper for a small quantity
like that but it may be more practical.  Consider how close the delivery
truck (or your car ) can get to the site as you will have to carry or barrow
it the rest of the way.

D

 
 
 

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Post by MICHELLE » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 12:05:34


I see what your saying. Because yeah, the $1.49 stuff at Home Depot is
usually all wet, heavy, and smelly, loaded with debris and rocks. The
"Scotts: Premium" is mostly all peat moss and mulch, and the organic
topsoil at the garden center is usually light and fluffy even though
it's in a "40 pound" bag.

I can probably only get 5 bags at a time in the car, so yes, that is
ALOT of trips to the store in the family car!!! I will have to call
around some landscapers and get some prices of having a truck load of
soil delivered.

Thanks!

 
 
 

Cheap Topsoil/Fill??

Post by Bill » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:31:05




Quote:

> > Because this thing being 30 feet long, 2-3 feet wide, and 1-2 feet
> > deep, I probably need like 50 bags of topsoil!?

> According to your dimensions the bed needs between 2 and 7 cubic yards of
> soil.  Firstly measure it accurately so you know which it is and then
> abandon the idea of bags.  How were you going to transport these 50 (or
> more) bags, 5 at a time in the boot of the car?

> Save yourself a lot of wasted effort (and possibly money too) and get it
> delivered in bulk.  Depending on access you may be able to get it dumped
> straight into the bed.  Any good bulk landscaping supply will give you a
> quote including delivery and be happy for you to choose which heap it comes
> from.  For good quality soil it is likely to be cheaper this way.

> David

Call a landscaping business. Tell them how much top soil you need. They
will deliver it in a truck, and dump it in the trench, or where it is
accessible for them. Topsoil in bulk, will be cheaper than topsoil in a
bag.

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Cheap Topsoil/Fill??

Post by Kay Lancaste » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 18:42:03


Quote:

> Just to get an accurate measurement, I went out there today with a tape
> measure, and measured the entire rut in the lawn, and boy was I WAY
> OFF!!!!!!! The rut is about 40 feet long, not 30 feet long. It is 3 feet
> wide, not 2 feet wide. And it is roughly about 4 inches deep, not 1-2
> feet deep. The depth varies in differnt spots. In one spot it was about
> 3 inches deeper than the rest of the lawn. In another spot it was 3 and
> 1/2 inches deeper. In another spot it was 4 inches deeper than the rest

Me, I'd till it up, including about a 10 ft strip on either side, rake it flat, and call it good, after verifying what's in trench... because it sounds very
much like a utility trench.

http://www.call811.com/

You've got about 15 cu yards if you want to fill it.  Most bags of topsoil are
in the vicinity of 0.75 cu ft, so you'd need about 535 bags.  Is the dump truck option sounding any better?