Are you still around? Didn't you, or do you still work at Swanson's?
Val
by Val » Tue, 05 May 2009 02:53:58
Val
by madgarden.. » Tue, 05 May 2009 05:16:19
> Val
"I am for all purposes unemployed, dead broke and can't afford my
current housing anymore. So I'm moving at the end of this month. I'll
be staying with family for awhile......until I can find a decent job
and a new place of my own I can afford. This is all pretty short
notice and sorting through and cleaning out 25 years of accumulated
junk is taking up all my time. And I am leaving all my Garden - except
for a few choice, small items - behind. I just don't know where I'm
going to land and what it will look like to drag a lot of plants with
me.
We can hopefully both look ahead to better, more secure days and
the promise of future plants to come! I'll keep good thoughts for you
if you keep good thoughts for me!! All the best, Pam"
Her sweet wishes for me were a given. Of course I think good
thoughts about all my wreck gardens friends I've made over the last 14
years. Since this e-mail was at the first of April, and we're now in
the first of May, I can only assume that she's now staying with family
for the time being, has sorted through her accumulated junk and the
tears and pain is soaked in more happy memories and a fresh start,
than hurt and anger. She had some hard times a few years ago and
dropped out of sight as she started to sort through the chaos of the
nursery that she'd worked at successfully for over 15 years (as I
remember) and either it's closing or her decision to leave.
She popped back in recently and was just beginning to answer
questions and had responded back to me, and a few others when I got
word from her that due to the nursery closure, she had taken
employment at Macy's and wasn't earning near enough. But her spirits
were good. This last post was distressing for me simply because she
lives in the Pacific northwest and now that she's moved in with
family, and focused on a different job, and adjusting to sharing a
home with people after being on her own for so long, and I have no way
of just reaching her to console and give her m***support. I sent
her a reply after I got this and that was it. No word since then For
the time being. I have her old snail mail address and I realize now
that I need to drop her a quick line to insure she knows how to reach
me the old fashioned way. Lets just keep a good thought out for all
of us who are struggling with day to day life in these times of
depression and uncertainty.
It's still spring, and I only hope that we can find the magic
and wonder of it all right now amidst the confusion of new beginnings
and unknown hurdles. I will let you know if I hear back from her. I
know she'll do as best as she's capable. Lets all send out some good
thoughts. ok?
madgardener,gardening in containers, over in upper northeastern
Tennessee sending love to Gardengal and many others who are
experiencing the same as too many others right now......zone 7a,
Sunset zone 36
by Val » Tue, 05 May 2009 07:53:20
>> Val
>this is the last personal post that Gardengal sent me April 9th.
>She's struggling to just get by right now as a lot of us are.........I
>can only hope she won't mind me posting it here since your reply to
>author was uncertain. If I have overstepped my boundaries or someone
>elses, just consider it my way of trying to be helpful and move past
>it.
~Pam's email snipped with respect to her personal privacy~
"........chaos of the nursery that she'd worked at successfully for over 15
years (as I
remember) and either it's closing or her decision to leave."
That nursery opened in 1927, it's still sucessful and going strong. I have
no facts about any of her decisions.
" when I got word from her that due to the nursery closure..."
It isn't closed, I was there yesterday, it's less than 10 minutes from my
home.
"This last post was distressing for me simply because she
lives in the Pacific northwest......"
Why would the fact she lives in the Pacific Northwest distress you?
"I have her old snail mail address and I realize now
that I need to drop her a quick line ...."
Perhaps you should do that. You allude to being a good friend but you post a
private email and then use your convoluted conjectures and opinions as her
facts all in the spirit of helping her get over and on with it? How could
this be helping if you are not in communication with her and/or she's not
reading and basking in all your "help".
"I will let you know if I hear back from her....."
No need, I just contacted a former aquaintence of hers at 'the nursery that
didn't close' and have the information I was looking for.
I'm sure you are a very nice person Maddy, I've followed your posts for
years but TMI on this one. I realize the Maddy fan club will rise up on
their hind legs to defend you but a simple...."haven't heard from since
April" would have been sufficient. I personally would have been somewhat
distress if you'd aired on a newsgroup what I sent to you privately about
what appears to be a very difficult and personal matter. I realize you have
no problem publishing all the grimy details of your private life but not all
are like that. I'd think if Pam was she'd have told one and all in long,
rambling missives on the newsgroup instead of few 'trusted friends' in what
she thought was private communication.
Nuff said.
Val
by brooklyn » Tue, 05 May 2009 07:54:41
>>> Are you still around? Didn't you, or do you still work at Swanson's?
>>> Val
>>this is the last personal post that Gardengal sent me April 9th.
> Marilyn, I won't presume to speak for Pam, but it is overstepping and
> I don't think she wanted the whole newsgroup know her personal
> business. That's just me, and I see you validated it ahead of time,
> but you should go with your gut feeling and not do it if you have to
> validate it first.
> Just a friendly suggestion. What I say to you in email is not for
> public comsumption.
> Victoria
by madgarden.. » Tue, 05 May 2009 13:07:26
> >>> Are you still around? Didn't you, or do you still work at Swanson's?
> >>> Val
> >>this is the last personal post that Gardengal sent me April 9th.
> > Marilyn, I won't presume to speak for Pam, but it is overstepping and
> > I don't think she wanted the whole newsgroup know her personal
> > business. ?That's just me, and I see you validated it ahead of time,
> > but you should go with your gut feeling and not do it if you have to
> > validate it first.
> > Just a friendly suggestion. ?What I say to you in email is not for
> > public comsumption.
> > Victoria
> True, publishing private email is the most egregious act... deserving of
> relegating to the grave.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
having said that, and having V and a few others jump on me, I deserve
it. I'm going. and I mean it. no song and dance, those who despise me
for my naieveness and stupidity will rejoice and dance in the
streets. I won't return for awhile, and that is a promise. I keep my
word. as for me considering her my friend, that's too assumpitve of
me. regardless of her considering me a friend, if she feels I've
overstepped, then I can only offer my most sincere apologies to HER.
as for offending those of you on the newsgroup, I have screwed up in
the past, and it won't be the first or last time. but it will be the
last for me for a long time. I love all of my gardening friends, and
this is the hardest thing I've had to do since losing my house,
eviction, foreclosure and everything rolled up in the last two years
including the death of mama, the divorce that released me from my hell
and everything else including my trying to heal from the massive loss
of all my gardens and thousands of $ worth of perennials both in value
and sentimental irreplacablility.
I'm sorry folks, I'm just human and sometimes***up. what more can
I do but just leave?
marilyn the madgardener. in upper northeastern tennessee zone 7a,
Sunset zone 36 (and NO, I am NOT looking for pity, sympathy or begs of
"don't go" I need to get my affairs in order and write some letters
and if I get word I've done wrong I will deal with it. )
by gardenga » Tue, 05 May 2009 21:06:07
> >> Are you still around? Didn't you, or do you still work at Swanson's?
> >> Val
> >this is the last personal post that Gardengal sent me April 9th.
> >She's struggling to just get by right now as a lot of us are.........I
> >can only hope she won't mind me posting it here since your reply to
> >author was uncertain. ?If I have overstepped my boundaries or someone
> >elses, just consider it my way of trying to be helpful and move past
> >it.
> Perhaps it would have more prudent to have just asked for a way to contact
> me privately.
> ~Pam's email snipped with respect to her personal privacy~
> "........chaos of the nursery that she'd worked at successfully for over 15
> years (as I
> remember) and either it's closing or her decision to leave."
> That nursery opened in 1927, it's still sucessful and going strong. I have
> no facts about any of her decisions.
> " when I got word from her that due to the nursery closure..."
> It isn't closed, I was there yesterday, it's less than 10 minutes from my
> home.
> "This last post was distressing for me simply because she
> lives in the Pacific northwest......"
> Why would the fact she lives in the Pacific Northwest distress you?
> "I have her old snail mail address and I realize now
> that I need to drop her a quick line ...."
> Perhaps you should do that. You allude to being a good friend but you post a
> private email and then use your convoluted conjectures and opinions as her
> facts all in the spirit of helping her get over and on with it? How could
> this be helping if you are not in communication with her and/or she's not
> reading and basking in all your "help".
> "I will let you know if I hear back from her....."
> No need, I just contacted a former aquaintence of hers at 'the nursery that
> didn't close' and have the information I was looking for.
> I'm sure you are a very nice person Maddy, I've followed your posts for
> years but TMI on this one. I realize the Maddy fan club will rise up on
> their hind legs to defend you but a simple...."haven't heard from since
> April" would have been sufficient. I personally would have been somewhat
> distress if you'd aired on a newsgroup what I sent to you privately about
> what appears to be a very difficult and personal matter. I realize you have
> no problem publishing all the grimy details of your private life but not all
> are like that. I'd think if Pam was she'd have told one and all in long,
> rambling missives on the newsgroup instead of few 'trusted friends' in what
> she thought was private communication.
> Nuff said.
> Val
To answer your initial question Val, I left Swanson's years ago for a
much better position at another nursery. Worked there for a good
number of years, then moved to the wholesale end of the business. Have
recently gone through a bit of a transition period, but I am back
again in the retail end of the business. And I still practice my own
business of landscape design and professional horticultural services.
As to Marilyn (maddie) reprinting a personal email, I've known her for
many years and know that her heart is in the right place even though
she may used poor judgement in revealing what was essentially a very
personal conversation. I am a little chagrined that my "business" was
aired for the world to see, but can't do anything about that now ;-)
I'll just leave it by saying that I was not satisfied with the way my
life was going and decided to make some major changes.......all good.
I have not been around in the last few weeks because I was busy
sorting through and packing up a household of 25 years. I have a new
job and a new residence and a new outlook - my life is good and I am
moving forward!!
Maddie has indicated in a personal email that she is well aware she
overstepped a boundary in repeating a private conversation. Her
intentions were good if her method was questionable. I accept her
apology. A lesson was learned by all........I will not be so
forthcoming about my personal business and Maddie will not be
repeating personal communications without authorization :-)
A mistake was made. Forgiveness is a good thing. Let's move on.
by brooklyn » Tue, 05 May 2009 23:39:12
> >> Are you still around? Didn't you, or do you still work at Swanson's?
> >> Val
> >this is the last personal post that Gardengal sent me April 9th.
> >She's struggling to just get by right now as a lot of us are.........I
> >can only hope she won't mind me posting it here since your reply to
> >author was uncertain. If I have overstepped my boundaries or someone
> >elses, just consider it my way of trying to be helpful and move past
> >it.
> Perhaps it would have more prudent to have just asked for a way to contact
> me privately.
> ~Pam's email snipped with respect to her personal privacy~
> "........chaos of the nursery that she'd worked at successfully for over
> 15
> years (as I
> remember) and either it's closing or her decision to leave."
> That nursery opened in 1927, it's still sucessful and going strong. I have
> no facts about any of her decisions.
> " when I got word from her that due to the nursery closure..."
> It isn't closed, I was there yesterday, it's less than 10 minutes from my
> home.
> "This last post was distressing for me simply because she
> lives in the Pacific northwest......"
> Why would the fact she lives in the Pacific Northwest distress you?
> "I have her old snail mail address and I realize now
> that I need to drop her a quick line ...."
> Perhaps you should do that. You allude to being a good friend but you post
> a
> private email and then use your convoluted conjectures and opinions as her
> facts all in the spirit of helping her get over and on with it? How could
> this be helping if you are not in communication with her and/or she's not
> reading and basking in all your "help".
> "I will let you know if I hear back from her....."
> No need, I just contacted a former aquaintence of hers at 'the nursery
> that
> didn't close' and have the information I was looking for.
> I'm sure you are a very nice person Maddy, I've followed your posts for
> years but TMI on this one. I realize the Maddy fan club will rise up on
> their hind legs to defend you but a simple...."haven't heard from since
> April" would have been sufficient. I personally would have been somewhat
> distress if you'd aired on a newsgroup what I sent to you privately about
> what appears to be a very difficult and personal matter. I realize you
> have
> no problem publishing all the grimy details of your private life but not
> all
> are like that. I'd think if Pam was she'd have told one and all in long,
> rambling missives on the newsgroup instead of few 'trusted friends' in
> what
> she thought was private communication.
> Nuff said.
> Val
To answer your initial question Val, I left Swanson's years ago for a
much better position at another nursery. Worked there for a good
number of years, then moved to the wholesale end of the business. Have
recently gone through a bit of a transition period, but I am back
again in the retail end of the business. And I still practice my own
business of landscape design and professional horticultural services.
As to Marilyn (maddie) reprinting a personal email, I've known her for
many years and know that her heart is in the right place even though
she may used poor judgement in revealing what was essentially a very
personal conversation. I am a little chagrined that my "business" was
aired for the world to see, but can't do anything about that now ;-)
I'll just leave it by saying that I was not satisfied with the way my
life was going and decided to make some major changes.......all good.
I have not been around in the last few weeks because I was busy
sorting through and packing up a household of 25 years. I have a new
job and a new residence and a new outlook - my life is good and I am
moving forward!!
Maddie has indicated in a personal email that she is well aware she
overstepped a boundary in repeating a private conversation. Her
intentions were good if her method was questionable. I accept her
apology. A lesson was learned by all........I will not be so
forthcoming about my personal business and Maddie will not be
repeating personal communications without authorization :-)
A mistake was made. Forgiveness is a good thing. Let's move on.
===========
But you're not moving on, you're still doing it... have you no self control?
So stop talking about it... it's just as dispicable to air in public with
whom one exchanges email. People who post private email and/or name drop
with whom they exchange private email can never be trusted to not forward
private email and talk behind folk's backs. I don't know you but I know
your type well enough that I'm certain that whatever anyone emails you makes
the rounds and with much embellishment... nothing you say is believeable,
not a word, and you're not well... if you control your other bodily
functions they way you control your loose lips then you walk around 24/7
with shit in your drawers.
by gardenga » Wed, 06 May 2009 00:47:08
> > >> Are you still around? Didn't you, or do you still work at Swanson's?
> > >> Val
> > >this is the last personal post that Gardengal sent me April 9th.
> > >She's struggling to just get by right now as a lot of us are.........I
> > >can only hope she won't mind me posting it here since your reply to
> > >author was uncertain. If I have overstepped my boundaries or someone
> > >elses, just consider it my way of trying to be helpful and move past
> > >it.
> > Perhaps it would have more prudent to have just asked for a way to contact
> > me privately.
> > ~Pam's email snipped with respect to her personal privacy~
> > "........chaos of the nursery that she'd worked at successfully for over
> > 15
> > years (as I
> > remember) and either it's closing or her decision to leave."
> > That nursery opened in 1927, it's still sucessful and going strong. I have
> > no facts about any of her decisions.
> > " when I got word from her that due to the nursery closure..."
> > It isn't closed, I was there yesterday, it's less than 10 minutes from my
> > home.
> > "This last post was distressing for me simply because she
> > lives in the Pacific northwest......"
> > Why would the fact she lives in the Pacific Northwest distress you?
> > "I have her old snail mail address and I realize now
> > that I need to drop her a quick line ...."
> > Perhaps you should do that. You allude to being a good friend but you post
> > a
> > private email and then use your convoluted conjectures and opinions as her
> > facts all in the spirit of helping her get over and on with it? How could
> > this be helping if you are not in communication with her and/or she's not
> > reading and basking in all your "help".
> > "I will let you know if I hear back from her....."
> > No need, I just contacted a former aquaintence of hers at 'the nursery
> > that
> > didn't close' and have the information I was looking for.
> > I'm sure you are a very nice person Maddy, I've followed your posts for
> > years but TMI on this one. I realize the Maddy fan club will rise up on
> > their hind legs to defend you but a simple...."haven't heard from since
> > April" would have been sufficient. I personally would have been somewhat
> > distress if you'd aired on a newsgroup what I sent to you privately about
> > what appears to be a very difficult and personal matter. I realize you
> > have
> > no problem publishing all the grimy details of your private life but not
> > all
> > are like that. I'd think if Pam was she'd have told one and all in long,
> > rambling missives on the newsgroup instead of few 'trusted friends' in
> > what
> > she thought was private communication.
> > Nuff said.
> > Val
> Well.........I'm not sure I know how to respond :-)
> To answer your initial question Val, I left Swanson's years ago for a
> much better position at another nursery. Worked there for a good
> number of years, then moved to the wholesale end of the business. Have
> recently gone through a bit of a transition period, but I am back
> again in the retail end of the business. And I still practice my own
> business of landscape design and professional horticultural services.
> As to Marilyn (maddie) reprinting a personal email, I've known her for
> many years and know that her heart is in the right place even though
> she may used poor judgement in revealing what was essentially a very
> personal conversation. I am a little chagrined that my "business" was
> aired for the world to see, but can't do anything about that now ;-)
> I'll just leave it by saying that I was not satisfied with the way my
> life was going and decided to make some major changes.......all good.
> I have not been around in the last few weeks because I was busy
> sorting through and packing up a household of 25 years. I have a new
> job and a new residence and a new outlook - my life is good and I am
> moving forward!!
> Maddie has indicated in a personal email that she is well aware she
> overstepped a boundary in repeating a private conversation. Her
> intentions were good if her method was questionable. I accept her
> apology. A lesson was learned by all........I will not be so
> forthcoming about my personal business and Maddie will not be
> repeating personal communications without authorization :-)
> A mistake was made. Forgiveness is a good thing. Let's move on.
> ===========
> But you're not moving on, you're still doing it... have you no self control?
> So stop talking about it... it's just as dispicable to air in public with
> whom one exchanges email. ?People who post private email and/or name drop
> with whom they exchange private email can never be trusted to not forward
> private email and talk behind folk's backs. ?I don't know you but I know
> your type well enough that I'm certain that whatever anyone emails you makes
> the rounds and with much embellishment... nothing you say is believeable,
> not a word, and you're not well... if you control your other bodily
> functions they way you control your loose lips then you walk around 24/7
> with shit in your drawers.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
You, sir, are an ***, as you have demonstrated countless times in
the past and continue to do so with every single post. No one here
thinks you have anything of value to offer so why don't you just shut
the f up?? I'd much rather read Maddie spreading what ever type of
personal info about me she felt inclined to than anything you'd bother
to write. Which has all proved to be a bunch of ***anyway.
Get a life.
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