Important!!! Not gargen related, and not a GRQ...

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Important!!! Not gargen related, and not a GRQ...

Post by Chuck Rus » Fri, 07 Feb 1997 04:00:00



I don't normally like to post off subject stuff, but I got this mail
that I think is important enough that you all should be aware of.

Subject:    FW: FCC Billing Plans for Net Use: E-mail FCC by 2/13/97

I am writing you this to inform you of a very important matter
currently under review by the FCC. Your local telephone company has
filed a proposal with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your
internet service. They contend that your usage has or will hinder the
operation of the telephone network.

It is my belief that internet usage will diminish if users were
required to pay additional per minute charges. The FCC has created an
email box for your comments, responses must be received by February

think.

Every phone company is in on this one, and they are trying to sneak
it in just under the wire for litigation. Let everyone you know hear
about this one. Get the e-mail address to everyone you can think of.

Please forward this email to all your friends on the internet so all
our voices may be heard!
--
Chuck Rush
pond Rushes, http://www.dallas.net/~crush

North Texas Water Garden Society, http://www.cirr.com/~ntwgs

 
 
 

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Post by anim.. » Sat, 08 Feb 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>I am writing you this to inform you of a very important matter
>currently under review by the FCC. Your local telephone company has
>filed a proposal with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your
>internet service. They contend that your usage has or will hinder the
>operation of the telephone network.

-snipped-

And just how do the phone companies plan to know whether I an yentering
it up with  my mother in New York for hours on end, and when I am on
the Internet?  Are they going to force everyone into some sort of
special modem account which will only work with a modem?  Everyone is
looking to make a buck on the Internet, like most churches.  Oy vey!

Victoria

 
 
 

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Post by Jack Dingle » Sat, 08 Feb 1997 04:00:00


Quote:


> >I am writing you this to inform you of a very important matter
> >currently under review by the FCC. Your local telephone company has
> >filed a proposal with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your
> >internet service. They contend that your usage has or will hinder the
> >operation of the telephone network.

> -snipped-

> And just how do the phone companies plan to know whether I an yentering
> it up with  my mother in New York for hours on end, and when I am on
> the Internet?  Are they going to force everyone into some sort of
> special modem account which will only work with a modem?  Everyone is
> looking to make a buck on the Internet, like most churches.  Oy vey!

> Victoria

This is a bit off topic, but you asked (please don't flame me).  Our
internet providers will have to pay the phone companies extra for phone
service.  They'll be forced to pass the expenses on to us.  Instead of a
flat rate on internet service.  We'll have to go back to paying by the
minute.
 
 
 

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Post by s.. » Sat, 08 Feb 1997 04:00:00


Quote:



> > >I am writing you this to inform you of a very important matter
> > >currently under review by the FCC. Your local telephone company has
> > >filed a proposal with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your
> > >internet service. They contend that your usage has or will hinder the
> > >operation of the telephone network.

> > -snipped-

> > And just how do the phone companies plan to know whether I an yentering
> > it up with  my mother in New York for hours on end, and when I am on
> > the Internet?  Are they going to force everyone into some sort of
> > special modem account which will only work with a modem?  Everyone is
> > looking to make a buck on the Internet, like most churches.  Oy vey!

> > Victoria

> This is a bit off topic, but you asked (please don't flame me).  Our
> internet providers will have to pay the phone companies extra for phone
> service.  They'll be forced to pass the expenses on to us.  Instead of a
> flat rate on internet service.  We'll have to go back to paying by the
> minute.

We think everyone is missing the point here.  Most phone companies offer
an 'unlimited local' service pricing structure, ie: flat rate local
service, no matter how long you use that local service.  These prices were
based on the assumption that people, on average, were going to use 'X'
amount of phone time per month.  Well, the internet has really changed
this formula, and it's only fair that people pay for the services they
use, that's all.  Those rates charged by the phone companies are nowhere
near what the ISP charge/hour.....it's pennies vs. dollars.

Bill & Harvey (who already pay for phone service 'by the minute')
SKID  zone 6  CT  USA

 
 
 

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Post by Jack Dingle » Sat, 08 Feb 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> We think everyone is missing the point here.  Most phone companies offer
> an 'unlimited local' service pricing structure, ie: flat rate local
> service, no matter how long you use that local service.  These prices were
> based on the assumption that people, on average, were going to use 'X'
> amount of phone time per month.  Well, the internet has really changed
> this formula, and it's only fair that people pay for the services they
> use, that's all.  Those rates charged by the phone companies are nowhere
> near what the ISP charge/hour.....it's pennies vs. dollars.

There are actually a number of points.  The Bells argue that their
networks are crashing because their networks can't handle the load and
require additional charges to upgrade their networks.  The ISPs argue
that the networks are not crashing and that the Bells are already
gaining enough additional income from the increase in households
installing more phone lines that the network upgrades are already being
payed for.  The ISPs further argue that the Bells are exagerating the
length of time that the average user ties up a line.

The FCC will soon try to determine if the Bells are losing or gaining
money and decide if any fees should be assigned to ISPs for their
connections.

I personally think this will become a moot point once the Bells no
longer hold a monopoly over local phone service.  At that point the true
costs of doing business will be more important than who has the best
lawyers.

Jack Dingler

 
 
 

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Post by s.. » Sat, 08 Feb 1997 04:00:00


Quote:


> > We think everyone is missing the point here.  Most phone companies offer
> > an 'unlimited local' service pricing structure, ie: flat rate local
> > service, no matter how long you use that local service.  These prices were
> > based on the assumption that people, on average, were going to use 'X'
> > amount of phone time per month.  Well, the internet has really changed
> > this formula, and it's only fair that people pay for the services they
> > use, that's all.  Those rates charged by the phone companies are nowhere
> > near what the ISP charge/hour.....it's pennies vs. dollars.

> There are actually a number of points.  The Bells argue that their
> networks are crashing because their networks can't handle the load and
> require additional charges to upgrade their networks.  The ISPs argue
> that the networks are not crashing and that the Bells are already
> gaining enough additional income from the increase in households
> installing more phone lines that the network upgrades are already being
> payed for.  The ISPs further argue that the Bells are exagerating the
> length of time that the average user ties up a line.

> The FCC will soon try to determine if the Bells are losing or gaining
> money and decide if any fees should be assigned to ISPs for their
> connections.

> I personally think this will become a moot point once the Bells no
> longer hold a monopoly over local phone service.  At that point the true
> costs of doing business will be more important than who has the best
> lawyers.

> Jack Dingler

And with any sort of luck, it will all be through cable soon enough, and
then we can really get screwed on payments, since it's unregulated.....but
that, of course will change as well.

Bill & harvey
SKID  zone 6  CT  USA

 
 
 

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Post by David Ros » Sat, 08 Feb 1997 04:00:00


I believe the FCC considered this issue in January and decided to take
no action at this time.

 
 
 

Important!!! Not gargen related, and not a GRQ...

Post by anim.. » Sun, 09 Feb 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>And with any sort of luck, it will all be through cable soon enough,
and
>then we can really get screwed on payments, since it's
unregulated.....but
>that, of course will change as well.

>Bill & harvey
>SKID  zone 6  CT  USA

and with further  luck, this will all be done on satellite!  We have a
satellite dish, a big ugly one too!  Of course my lover boy works for
Netcom as a senior support tech, so we dont have to pay for
services...it is a good thing too, for if we were paying for it (at
times) I would consider changing to another ISP.

Victoria-BTW Dallas who has way less people than live on Manhattan
Island now have about three area codes to support all the second lines,
fax machines, cellular phones (which grow out of every southern yenta)
etc...I cannot understand how Manhattan Island can have, at any given
time, ten million people, yet have one area code  While here, we have 4
million in a 400 square mile area and need several area codes. Hmmm.

 
 
 

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Post by Polly M. La » Sun, 09 Feb 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> We think everyone is missing the point here.  Most phone companies offer
> an 'unlimited local' service pricing structure, ie: flat rate local
> service, no matter how long you use that local service.  These prices were
> based on the assumption that people, on average, were going to use 'X'
> amount of phone time per month.  Well, the internet has really changed
> this formula, and it's only fair that people pay for the services they
> use, that's all.  Those rates charged by the phone companies are nowhere
> near what the ISP charge/hour.....it's pennies vs. dollars.

Bill&Harvey,

On this point, I must disagree. The local telephone companies have enjoyed a virtual
monopoly on local telephone service since telephones became an intgral part of our lives.
For them to now cry poverty is specious. They are also proposing that the rate for
internet access be higher than the rate for ordinary calls! This proposal just goes to
illustrate once again that the big boys will always threaten to take their marbles and go
home when the playing field is no longer arranged to their advantage.

Many of the big corporations have discontinued their web activities because they can't
dominate the web the way they do the airwaves. To say that its only fair.....well, we
consumers have been treated so shabbily for so long byMega-corporations that most of us
wouldn't know  true Fairness if it walked up and bit us in the ass.