> > In article
> > > > Billy, do you live your entire life being a total *** or are you just
> > > > a part time keyboard hero? ?I moderated a number of forums for many
> > > > years and I must admit that it's rare to come across anybody as
> > > > obnoxious or eager for a flame war as you! ?It's usually immature
> > > > ***agers that are trying to wind people up at the drop of a hat. ?What
> > > > was it you called me? ?Dumber than dirt wasn't it, you really have no
> > > > idea how far off the truth you are, jackass.
> > > > You mentioned in your first post that I was here looking for a poison
> > > > solution - you're absolutely full of crud, I asked for suggested
> > > > methods of killing the Docks not poisoning them, I had been considering
> > > > using a paraffin burner or coving them rather than using chemicals and
> > > > wondered if it might have been suggested here, it seems like you're
> > > > just to eager waiting to start jumping up and down on your soap box
> > > > before looking any further than your blurred, narrow minded outlook on
> > > > the human race.
> > > > Well Mr Smartarse, answer me this - What the hell is so vain and stupid
> > > > about a lawn?
> > > > My children would be lost without the lawn to play on. ?We do have
> > > > woods as well as more wild areas on our ground for them to explore but
> > > > they still love to kick a ball about the place and ride their toy
> > > > tractors around. ?You really are a complete tosser. ?Would you rather I
> > > > concreted the lot and saved myself a life times worth of work? ?Are we
> > > > not being encouraged to keep lawned areas by your fellow eco warriors?
> > > > I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links on here but on the off chance
> > > > 'here's' (http://www.moonsgarden.com/) one for you ;-)
> > > > I'll take another look at the help comments tomorrow and see if we can
> > > > figure out a solution. ?Shame I've lowered my self to Billy's level and
> > > > wasted 20 minutes of my life writing this post!
> > > > --
> > > > keelematt
> > > Sometimes it's just not worth it to respond :-)
> > > I am an organic gardener myself, meaning I avoid chemical pesticides
> > > and fertilizers whenever possible - I tend to avoid even organic pest
> > > controls as well, as many times they are just as harmful (if not more
> > > so) to the you and environment as those synthesized in a lab. But the
> > > organic Nazis, such as Billy appears to be, are detrimental to the
> > > cause as are any type of ideologues and tend to put people off the
> > > program rather than encouraging them. There are pros and cons to every
> > > approach and chemical methods are not inheritantly bad and organic
> > > ones inheritantly good. Chemical controls have reduced many disease
> > > and insect problems over the years that would have otherwise
> > > devastated farming and cropping and we wouldn't have fed a 10th of the
> > > population we managed to provide for since WWII had not chemical
> > > fertilizers been invented. It's simply a matter of educating one's
> > > self and others on the drawbacks of either approach and to remember to
> > > use moderation in everything. Including how one presents their
> > > personal point of view or gardening philosophy.
> > > There is nothing wrong with having and maintaining a lawn if that is
> > > your desire and it is quite possible to have a thick and lush lawn
> > > WITHOUT the use of chemical fertilizers and pesticides. It just takes
> > > some research into the techniques and materials and a bit of work
> > > initially.
> > > Torching the weeds is a very viable approach. And it too produces very
> > > fast, efficient results. I'd consider it a definite option.
> > You never did announce the basis of your authority on gardening matters.
> > Since you eschew information from books, I can only assume that you are
> > a research scientist who has spent her time recreating the wheel.
> > Poor me. I must learn a priori from second hand accounts. But wait a
> > minute. That's what your offering isn't it, a second hand account?
> > Bit of a conundrum, if you get my drift.
> > For some reason, the phrase "American pest" keeps coming to my mind.
> > Oh right, American Pests: The Losing War on Insects from Colonial Times
> > to DDT by James E.
> > McWilliams.http://www.moonsgarden.com/
> > 2311...
> > X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238953305&sr=1-1
> > Integrated pest management was the main thrust of economic entomologists
> > until the beginning of the 20th Century. Then it quickly turned to
> > simple solutions for simple minds, and we got lead arsenate apples, DDT,
> > Monsanto, pesticide residues, and endocrine disrupters. Besides the
> > physical effort that "keelematt" will need to invest in his lawn
> > (especially if it is organic), if he goes the Monsanto route, he will
> > get to be a guinea pig on the cutting edge predatory commercialism.
> > Do yourself a favor, "gardenfraud", learn about what you are advising
> > before you open your big mouth.
> > --
> > - Billy
> > "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
> > is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
> > moment of conception until death." ?- Rachel Carson
> > http://www.moonsgarden.com/
> > http://www.moonsgarden.com/
> > - Show quoted text -
> gee, what more is there to say? I guess you've got me pegged, you
> simpleminded little cretin. Matt pretty much has it nailed in his
> assessment of you.....your words speak for themselves and they're not
> saying a heck of a lot. Do YOURSELF a favor and try a different
> approach - your message, if there is a valid one in all that rhetoric
> and diatribe, is lost in all the rest of the garbage you spout.
> btw, what in hell are YOUR credentials.........if you have any? And
> where do you get off slamming anyone else for their opinions? From
> what kind of authority do you speak? Oh, I know........it's the World
> According to Billy. Silly me for not realizing that.
Just a simple gardener mam, just a simple gardener.
But when it comes to bad information, or my lyin' eyes,
I'll take my lyin' eyes any day, especially since I ran them over the
Teaming with Microbes: A Gardener's Guide to the Soil Food Web
Jeff Lowenfels and Wayne Lewis
"How to Grow More Vegetables" by John Jeavons
"Vegetable Gardener' Bible" by Edward C. Smith.
The Omnivore's Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals by Michael Pollan
In Defense of Food: An Eater's Manifesto
by Michael Pollan
Stolen Harvest: The Hijacking of the Global Food Supply
by Vandana Shiva
What to Eat
by Marion Nestle
American Pests: The Losing War on Insects from Colonial Times to DDT
by James E. McWilliams
by A. J. Winkler, James A. Cook, W. M. Kliewer, Lloyd A. Lider
The Fatal Harvest Reader by Andrew Kimbrell
(Not a book) The Worst Mistake In The History Of The Human Race
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson