Moon's Graden

by **OhioGu** » Thu, 07 May 2009 18:08:01

Ok, I've tried using pulverized limestone, plus a number of other
suggestions, like pepper powder, and cinnamon. It really did little more
than make a mess of my kitchen, and the area right outside our house. The
ants are still all over the kitchen.

At this point, I would simply like to know what sort of granular pesticide
I can buy to put on the soil near our house to make sure that any ants
nearby in the soil are killed, and stay killed. It looks like Diazinon has
been withdrawn, and that would have been my first choice in the past.

by **OhioGu** » Thu, 07 May 2009 18:08:21

Ok, I've tried using pulverized limestone, plus a number of other
suggestions, like pepper powder, and cinnamon. It really did little more
than make a mess of my kitchen, and the area right outside our house. The
ants are still all over the kitchen.

At this point, I would simply like to know what sort of granular pesticide
I can buy to put on the soil near our house to make sure that any ants
nearby in the soil are killed, and stay killed. It looks like Diazinon has
been withdrawn, and that would have been my first choice in the past.

by **Ernie Willso** » Thu, 07 May 2009 22:04:40

AFAIK the best option you have is TERRO. I had the same problem and it
solved it. It'll cost you though..about $0.59 in your local supermarket.
Works like gangbusters. Best stuff I've ever seen.

As for Diazanon..I don't know the story, but in the past, it has been my
observation that if it works the government will outlaw it...and the
better it works, the faster it will be outlawed.

EJ in NJ

Quote:

> Ok, I've tried using pulverized limestone, plus a number of other
> suggestions, like pepper powder, and cinnamon. It really did little more
> than make a mess of my kitchen, and the area right outside our house. The
> ants are still all over the kitchen.

> At this point, I would simply like to know what sort of granular pesticide
> I can buy to put on the soil near our house to make sure that any ants
> nearby in the soil are killed, and stay killed. It looks like Diazinon has
> been withdrawn, and that would have been my first choice in the past.

by **Bill** » Fri, 08 May 2009 01:47:30

Quote:

> Ok, I've tried using pulverized limestone, plus a number of other
> suggestions, like pepper powder, and cinnamon. It really did little more
> than make a mess of my kitchen, and the area right outside our house. The
> ants are still all over the kitchen.

> At this point, I would simply like to know what sort of granular pesticide
> I can buy to put on the soil near our house to make sure that any ants
> nearby in the soil are killed, and stay killed. It looks like Diazinon has
> been withdrawn, and that would have been my first choice in the past.

Got boric acid?
http://www.grinningplanet.com/2004/04-27/ant-control-ant-killer-artic...
tm
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

by **Bill** » Fri, 08 May 2009 02:55:55

TERRO is a commercial name for "Sodium Tetraborate, decahydrate" 5.4%
The functional part of the name is Tetra-BORATE as in boric acid.
See:
http://www.grinningplanet.com/2004/04-27/ant-control-ant-killer-artic...
tm

Ecological Information
Diazinon is highly toxic to birds, fish, and other wildlife. Avoid
exposure to waterfowl. Highly toxic to bees exposed to treatment ot to
residues on blooming crops or weed. Do no apply this product where fish,
shrimp, crab, and other wildlife are important resources.
http://www.hort.wisc.edu/cran/PestWeb/Cranberry%20Labels/usmsds/diazi...
g600wbcmsds.pdf

This is one time that Ernie's observations are crap. TERRO looks good
but you can probably make it yourself, cheaper.

Quote:

> AFAIK the best option you have is TERRO. I had the same problem and it
> solved it. It'll cost you though..about $0.59 in your local supermarket.
> Works like gangbusters. Best stuff I've ever seen.

> As for Diazanon..I don't know the story, but in the past, it has been my
> observation that if it works the government will outlaw it...and the
> better it works, the faster it will be outlawed.

> EJ in NJ

> > Ok, I've tried using pulverized limestone, plus a number of other
> > suggestions, like pepper powder, and cinnamon. It really did little more
> > than make a mess of my kitchen, and the area right outside our house. The
> > ants are still all over the kitchen.

> > At this point, I would simply like to know what sort of granular
> > pesticide
> > I can buy to put on the soil near our house to make sure that any ants
> > nearby in the soil are killed, and stay killed. It looks like Diazinon has
> > been withdrawn, and that would have been my first choice in the past.

--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

by **OhioGu** » Fri, 08 May 2009 04:28:31

I ended up trying Ortho Max Bug B Gone for Lawns - season long pest
control. It was $14, but if we no longer have ants on our plates,
silverware and toothbrushes, it will be worth it.

by **Fran** » Fri, 08 May 2009 04:21:48

Quote:

> ? Ok, I've tried using pulverized limestone, plus a number of other
> suggestions, like pepper powder, and cinnamon. ?It really did little more
> than make a mess of my kitchen, and the area right outside our house. ?The
> ants are still all over the kitchen.

> ? At this point, I would simply like to know what sort of granular pesticide
> I can buy to put on the soil near our house to make sure that any ants
> nearby in the soil are killed, and stay killed. ?It looks like Diazinon has
> been withdrawn, and that would have been my first choice in the past.

Haven't tried it on ants, but diatomaceous earth spread
along their paths or around anthills might do the trick.
DE is an accepted organic insecticide. It works not by
poisoning them, but by chewing holes in their exoskeletons,
killing them by dehydration. Won't harm anything larger
than insect size.

by **Ernie Willso** » Fri, 08 May 2009 05:03:21

Billy,

As I said TERRO has been the best stuff I can find. It is a boric acid
solution with a sweetener added. Cheaper than dirt. A year supply cost
me less than a buck.

What do you suggest as a better/cheaper/safer alternate?

EJ in NJ

Quote:

>> Ok, I've tried using pulverized limestone, plus a number of other
>> suggestions, like pepper powder, and cinnamon. It really did little more
>> than make a mess of my kitchen, and the area right outside our house. The
>> ants are still all over the kitchen.

>> At this point, I would simply like to know what sort of granular pesticide
>> I can buy to put on the soil near our house to make sure that any ants
>> nearby in the soil are killed, and stay killed. It looks like Diazinon has
>> been withdrawn, and that would have been my first choice in the past.

> Got boric acid?
> http://www.grinningplanet.com/2004/04-27/ant-control-ant-killer-artic...
> tm

by **hubop** » Fri, 08 May 2009 07:36:08

Quote:

> Ok, I've tried using pulverized limestone, plus a number of other
>suggestions, like pepper powder, and cinnamon. It really did little more
>than make a mess of my kitchen, and the area right outside our house. The
>ants are still all over the kitchen.

> At this point, I would simply like to know what sort of granular pesticide
>I can buy to put on the soil near our house to make sure that any ants
>nearby in the soil are killed, and stay killed. It looks like Diazinon has
>been withdrawn, and that would have been my first choice in the past.

Sorry - but I missed Part 1.
Have you identified the exact ant that you have ?
If they are pharoah ants - very tiny ants -
then normal methods do not work.
Pharoah ants require special tactics.
You can google this.
John T.

by **Bill** » Fri, 08 May 2009 10:08:31

Quote:

> As for Diazanon..I don't know the story, but in the past, it has been my
> observation that if it works the government will outlaw it...and the
> better it works, the faster it will be outlawed.

The EPA is one branch of government that works fairly well, except under
"The Worst President Ever"(Clean Air, and Clean Water Acts were dirty
jokes).
So the next time you want death, ask for it by name, "Monsanto".

Diazinon
MANUFACTURER
The SOLARIS Group
of Monsanto Company
P.O. Box 5008
San Ramon, CA 94583-0808

Another blow against the planet from Monsanto.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

by **Bill** » Fri, 08 May 2009 11:02:52

Quote:

> Billy,

> As I said TERRO has been the best stuff I can find. It is a boric acid
> solution with a sweetener added. Cheaper than dirt. A year supply cost
> me less than a buck.

> What do you suggest as a better/cheaper/safer alternate?

> EJ in NJ

> >> Ok, I've tried using pulverized limestone, plus a number of other
> >> suggestions, like pepper powder, and cinnamon. It really did little more
> >> than make a mess of my kitchen, and the area right outside our house. The
> >> ants are still all over the kitchen.

> >> At this point, I would simply like to know what sort of granular
> >> pesticide
> >> I can buy to put on the soil near our house to make sure that any ants
> >> nearby in the soil are killed, and stay killed. It looks like Diazinon
> >> has
> >> been withdrawn, and that would have been my first choice in the past.

> > Got boric acid?
> > http://www.grinningplanet.com/2004/04-27/ant-control-ant-killer-artic...
> > tm

You got the URL and I'm happy you don't have the diazinon that you would
have preferred.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

by **Bill** » Fri, 08 May 2009 11:12:56

Quote:

> Ortho Max Bug B Gone for Lawns

Bifenthrin

http://www.bugspray.net/msds/bifen_lp_msds.pdf

ECOTOXICOLOGICAL INFORMATION: Bifenthrin is highly toxic to fish and
aquatic arthropods and LC50 values range
from 0.0038 to 17.8 ?g/L. In general, the aquatic arthropods are the
most sensitive species. Care should be taken to avoid
contamination of the aquatic environment. Bifenthrin had no effect on
mollusks at its limit of water solubility. Bifenthrin is
only slightly toxic to both waterfowl and upland game birds (LD50 values
range from 1,800 mg/kg to >2,150 mg/kg).
-----

http://www.grinningplanet.com/2004/04-27/ant-control-ant-killer-artic...
tm

It's not rocket science.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

by **Ernie Willso** » Fri, 08 May 2009 20:07:58

Billie,

I'm still waiting for your suggestion for something cheaper and more
environmentally friendly than TERRO.

Please show me where I recommended using Diazinon for these ants. Please
get your facts right Dunce.

EJ in NJ

Quote:

>> Billy,

>> As I said TERRO has been the best stuff I can find. It is a boric acid
>> solution with a sweetener added. Cheaper than dirt. A year supply cost
>> me less than a buck.

>> What do you suggest as a better/cheaper/safer alternate?

>> EJ in NJ

>>>> Ok, I've tried using pulverized limestone, plus a number of other
>>>> suggestions, like pepper powder, and cinnamon. It really did little more
>>>> than make a mess of my kitchen, and the area right outside our house. The
>>>> ants are still all over the kitchen.

>>>> At this point, I would simply like to know what sort of granular
>>>> pesticide
>>>> I can buy to put on the soil near our house to make sure that any ants
>>>> nearby in the soil are killed, and stay killed. It looks like Diazinon
>>>> has
>>>> been withdrawn, and that would have been my first choice in the past.
>>> Got boric acid?
>>> http://www.grinningplanet.com/2004/04-27/ant-control-ant-killer-artic...
>>> tm

> You got the URL and I'm happy you don't have the diazinon that you would
> have preferred.

by **Bill** » Sat, 09 May 2009 04:46:09

Quote:

> As for Diazanon..I don't know the story, but in the past, it has been my
> observation that if it works the government will outlaw it...and the
> better it works, the faster it will be outlawed.

That is a tacit endor***t. You didn't say, "Oh my god, that stuff is
poison." No, you used your best "Tea Party" speak to say it must be good
because the government outlawed it.

Don't waste you rhetorical slithering on me. You obviously have (or had)
no idea or concerns over the effect of biocides on the biosphere, Jerk.

Quote:

> Billie,

> I'm still waiting for your suggestion for something cheaper and more
> environmentally friendly than TERRO.

> Please show me where I recommended using Diazinon for these ants. Please
> get your facts right Dunce.

> EJ in NJ

> >> Billy,

> >> As I said TERRO has been the best stuff I can find. It is a boric acid
> >> solution with a sweetener added. Cheaper than dirt. A year supply cost
> >> me less than a buck.

> >> What do you suggest as a better/cheaper/safer alternate?

> >> EJ in NJ

> >>>> Ok, I've tried using pulverized limestone, plus a number of other
> >>>> suggestions, like pepper powder, and cinnamon. It really did little
> >>>> more
> >>>> than make a mess of my kitchen, and the area right outside our house.
> >>>> The
> >>>> ants are still all over the kitchen.

> >>>> At this point, I would simply like to know what sort of granular
> >>>> pesticide
> >>>> I can buy to put on the soil near our house to make sure that any ants
> >>>> nearby in the soil are killed, and stay killed. It looks like Diazinon
> >>>> has
> >>>> been withdrawn, and that would have been my first choice in the past.
> >>> Got boric acid?
> >>> http://www.moonsgarden.com/
> >>> tm

> > You got the URL and I'm happy you don't have the diazinon that you would
> > have preferred.

--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.moonsgarden.com/

by **Garrapat** » Sat, 16 May 2009 13:59:03

Quote:

> Ok, I've tried using pulverized limestone, plus a number of other
>suggestions, like pepper powder, and cinnamon. It really did little more
>than make a mess of my kitchen, and the area right outside our house. The
>ants are still all over the kitchen.

> At this point, I would simply like to know what sort of granular pesticide
>I can buy to put on the soil near our house to make sure that any ants
>nearby in the soil are killed, and stay killed. It looks like Diazinon has
>been withdrawn, and that would have been my first choice in the past.

The trouble with diazinon and similar pesticides is they kill too
quickly. you need something that they take back to the nest and gets
distributed to all of them.
I've been out of the business for a while and haven't kept up with what
is available but boric acid powder mixed with sugar or grease is an old
standard and I have had good luck with Grant's ant stakes
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