Alkaline water, Leyland Cypress...HELP

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Alkaline water, Leyland Cypress...HELP

Post by CJ » Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:19:18



6 months ago I planted 6 Leyland Cypress and have since lost 4 of the 6. I
was careful in planting and have been careful in watering, which makes me
think it has more to do with my soil and/or water conditions. I'm watering
with tap water which I know is VERY alkaline. I know this from balancing my
pool water, I constantly have to add acid. I recently measured the tap water
with a ph strip and it measures of the chart...

I don't know for sure, but I would guess my soil is alkaline as well. Is
there anything I can do to 1) change my water so it's not so alkaline or 2)
add something (fertilizer/food) to the soil so the plants can live with the
bad water.

Also, anyone know if alkaline water is harmful to people? I drink and bath
in it.

Thanks for any help.

 
 
 

Alkaline water, Leyland Cypress...HELP

Post by pagh » Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:25:45


Quote:

> 6 months ago I planted 6 Leyland Cypress and have since lost 4 of the 6. I
> was careful in planting and have been careful in watering, which makes me
> think it has more to do with my soil and/or water conditions. I'm watering
> with tap water which I know is VERY alkaline. I know this from balancing my
> pool water, I constantly have to add acid. I recently measured the tap water
> with a ph strip and it measures of the chart...

> I don't know for sure, but I would guess my soil is alkaline as well. Is
> there anything I can do to 1) change my water so it's not so alkaline or 2)
> add something (fertilizer/food) to the soil so the plants can live with the
> bad water.

> Also, anyone know if alkaline water is harmful to people? I drink and bath
> in it.

> Thanks for any help.

Wendy posted some good stuff about this in the thread labeled "How do I
deal with very hard water." It helps to be armed with some general
principles of where water can go wrong & what are your options.

You've probably correctly diagnosed your problem since it's true of the
leyland cypress, the bald cypress, & several others, they flourish in a
wide range of conditions but NOT when water hence soil is alkaline. If you
have to replant & still want to try cypresses, I think the Arizona cypress
& the Kashmire cypress tolerate a bit of alkalinity, probably several
others do also.

You have my condolences in losing four of the six trees. I love my trees
to distraction & if or when one of them finally dies on me, I'll be
heartbroken. Most of them I expect to outlive me by a longshot.

-paghat the ra***

--

"Here dwell souls that did neither evil nor good."
-Inferno

 
 
 

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Post by Wendy B » Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:20:04


Quote:
> tap water which I know is VERY alkaline. I know this from balancing my
>pool water, I constantly have to add acid. I recently measured the tap water
>with a ph strip and it measures of the chart...

Please post this question on rec.ponds. The pH would be reduced and stabilized
if you buffered your pond by adding baking soda (sodium bicarbonate), rather
than acid.

Quote:
>I don't know for sure, but I would guess my soil is alkaline as well. Is
>there anything I can do to 1) change my water so it's not so alkaline or 2)
>add something (fertilizer/food) to the soil so the plants can live with the
>bad water.

You would be better off planting trees that are adapted to alkaline soil. Sorry
:-( .

Quote:
>Also, anyone know if alkaline water is harmful to people? I drink and bath
>in it.

If your water is alkaline because of calcium carbonate (the usual case in
limestone areas), it won't hurt you...in fact, it will help you by adding
dissolved calcium to your diet. The worst that will happen is that your shampoo
won't suds very well, and you may get a ring in your bathtub.

Alkali  water (sodium salts, as is found in the arid west in places) might harm
your health. If you have a city water distribution system, the local
authorities would keep an eye on this. If you are using well water, I would
suggest getting it analyzed. Perhaps the local extension service could help.

Wendy

 
 
 

Alkaline water, Leyland Cypress...HELP

Post by N2po.. » Thu, 01 Nov 2001 00:44:08


aluminum sulfate.  http://www.moonsgarden.com/#pH
it will lower pH and precip out some of the calcium.
INgrid

Quote:
>>I don't know for sure, but I would guess my soil is alkaline as well. Is
>>there anything I can do to 1) change my water so it's not so alkaline or 2)
>>add something (fertilizer/food) to the soil so the plants can live with the
>>bad water.

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Post by Mike Prage » Thu, 01 Nov 2001 08:55:20


Quote:

>I don't know for sure, but I would guess my soil is alkaline as well. Is
>there anything I can do to 1) change my water so it's not so alkaline or 2)
>add something (fertilizer/food) to the soil so the plants can live with the
>bad water.

Sulfur is often used for acidifying soil.  Look for the
"wettable" (powdered) kind in bags at a Garden centerl it's
cheap.  I don't know, however, if it's practical to acidify
soil on a relatively large scale.  Maybe others can answer
that.

If you give up on the L.c., you could amend the soil with
organic matter (peat moss, composted cow manure, compost) to
lower the pH a bit (make it more acid) before you replant. You
can also add some sulfur to the soil, but I'd use a coarser
type for that.  Around here it's sold as "soil sulfur."

Best of luck!

Mike Prager
Beaufort, NC (on the coast in zone 8)

 
 
 

Alkaline water, Leyland Cypress...HELP

Post by Liz Rile » Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:38:29


Quote:

>aluminum sulfate.  http://puregold.aquaria.net/care/care2.htm#pH
>it will lower pH and precip out some of the calcium.
>INgrid

Pardon?  Precipitate the calcium as what?

Regards       John Riley        West Oz

 
 
 

Alkaline water, Leyland Cypress...HELP

Post by Liz Rile » Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:38:33



Quote:
>The pH would be reduced and stabilized
>if you buffered your pond by adding baking soda (sodium bicarbonate), rather
>than acid.

Sodium bicarbonate is quite alkaline. It will surely raise the pH.

Regards        John Riley       West Oz

 
 
 

Alkaline water, Leyland Cypress...HELP

Post by Marley13 » Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:12:37


To answer mike's question, no it is not practical to lower pH on a large scale.
 It is difficult on any scale, and usually takes several years.  As for
ingrid's idea of precipitating calcium downwards-  It depends on how much Ca is
in the soil.  Before attempting any pH altering it is best to get a soil test
done that will 1. tell you the existing pH, and 2.  give you the cation
exchange capacity, which you then use to determine how hard it will be to
change your pH.  

toad

 
 
 

Alkaline water, Leyland Cypress...HELP

Post by CJ » Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:22:10


Thank you for all your comments.
My initial post may have been somewhat confusing, I'm not trying to adjust
the ph of a pond, only the tap water I use to water with. From all your
comments and other research I've been doing, I gather that adjusting my soil
and tap water doesn't seem practical and that planting other trees is my
only real option.

Thanks for all the help.

Quote:

> 6 months ago I planted 6 Leyland Cypress and have since lost 4 of the 6. I
> was careful in planting and have been careful in watering, which makes me
> think it has more to do with my soil and/or water conditions. I'm watering
> with tap water which I know is VERY alkaline. I know this from balancing
my
> pool water, I constantly have to add acid. I recently measured the tap
water
> with a ph strip and it measures of the chart...

> I don't know for sure, but I would guess my soil is alkaline as well. Is
> there anything I can do to 1) change my water so it's not so alkaline or
2)
> add something (fertilizer/food) to the soil so the plants can live with
the
> bad water.

> Also, anyone know if alkaline water is harmful to people? I drink and bath
> in it.

> Thanks for any help.